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On February 06 2012 09:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I got my role so I'm assuming everyone has one now?
To start off please please please don't everyone focus on batman/catwoman. In themed games with third roles I always see the town discussing plans/third party roles so much that it's pretty distracting and I think that's an environment where mafia can really take control. Some discussion is alright, day 1 is fine it gets people talking at least but scumhunting should always be #1 priority. Batman's role benefits town. Yes he has to take down a town aligned vig, but taking down the mafia godfather in exchange for a vig is a damn good trade. 1:1 town/mafia trade always benefits town.
Assuming game doesn't end if third party wins, Batman benefits town whereas Catwoman does not. She should not be a primary lynch target unless we pin her Day 1 and there is no real better alternative. I think ignoring Catwoman is the best way to go. She does hurt town but mafia (tyger, I guess) hurts us more and we want to get to our win condition as fast as is possible.
No reason for town to be trying to out Batman in this thread as far as I see?
Is Batman able to fulfill his win condition if Hugo/Joker are lynched?
If yes - it makes sense for Batman to try to help the town out by getting Hugo lynched and he'll just nighthit/DT whoever he thinks the Joker is.
If no - Batman isn't much help to us but still a waste of a lynch and I feel like leaving the third party to their own devices and focusing on scumhunting is the best thing to do. I'd be wary of anyone crying for a lynch on Batman/Catwoman because they "hurt town", sounds like mafia trying to waste lynches that would otherwise hit scumbuddies to me.
Game does not end if third party wins, they are removed from the game. If any of the 4 people batman/catwoman needs to kill are lynched it counts as part of their win cond.
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It begins indeed.
Mafia Kp is 3. It drops to 1 only when 1 member of the team is alive, and they lose a kp if the gf dies
Just to make sure this isn't referring to the deadshot kp is it?
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On February 06 2012 14:50 evantrees wrote:
It begins indeed.
Mafia Kp is 3. It drops to 1 only when 1 member of the team is alive, and they lose a kp if the gf dies
Just to make sure this isn't referring to the deadshot kp is it?
If hugo strange or deadshot dies the mafia lose 1 kp (being deadshots)
They will always have a constant of 2 unless they are dropped to 1 member alive. If the mafia have 2 members alive, being deadshot and hugo, they will still have 3 kp.
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First thing, please don't follow Kenpachi's lead on saying if you are a "vanilla townie" or not. This only helps mafia.
In fact, I realize you've done this before Kenpachi and you should realize by now its not helpful. Here to explain, You are Vanilla : This only alerts mafia that they don't need to kill you -- You aren't Vanilla you are Blue, but still town, This does not help as now while you may not die, you've also lied to us. We will find trusting you that much harder. -- If you are mafia its a null point, as we'll either detective you, or be able to figure it out based on how you act. So, please even though it might be "nice" to reveal what role you are, please don't. As a vanilla townie you're partly there to soak up hits from mafia.
Kenpachi, I only know you've done this in the past, not why. Could you explain why you claimed this? What logic do you have to do this?
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@Katina What do you think of Kenpachi's early claim?
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I dont remember why i started doing it LOL
i guess tradition, (pretty bad tradition). But its insignificant to the course of the game if you ask me
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I wasn't sure if he was being a noob or being serious. I don't think it really means anything.
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oh and Sheth, Mafia wouldnt kill me anyways
im fucking Kenpachi
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On February 06 2012 15:14 Kenpachi wrote:
I dont remember why i started doing it LOL
i guess tradition, (pretty bad tradition). But its insignificant to the course of the game if you ask me
Well, I just told you 3 situations, and only in one of them was it insignificant. If you're townie vanilla with it, it matters for mafia's hits, if you're townie blue it matters in lying to us, and if you're mafia it doesn't matter too much. And you think its a bad tradition as well?
I'll say this definitely is an interesting start to the game.
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On February 06 2012 15:15 Katina wrote:
I wasn't sure if he was being a noob or being serious. I don't think it really means anything.
Pretty much everything is something that matters. I'm not sure it matters too much, but its definitely something to look at and think on a little bit imo.
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On February 06 2012 14:30 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit i forgot to say im townie
vanilla too. pretty lame
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selfish
motivated, however
What do you gain from doing this, as mafia? Becoming clear town?
This play is riddled with WIFOM, isn't it?
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On February 06 2012 15:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:15 Katina wrote:
I wasn't sure if he was being a noob or being serious. I don't think it really means anything. Pretty much everything is something that matters. I'm not sure it matters too much, but its definitely something to look at and think on a little bit imo.
I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process
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I just got it, Kenpachi is softclaiming imo
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Okay, reporting in.
Not much going on so far, scummiest thing in the thread is Kenpachi's claim...but obviously he's mothafuckin Kenpachi so that's like whatevs.
Do scum get to choose what role gets hit as opposed to which player with the Deadshot kp?
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I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned?
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man it's so sad that bumatlarge is not playing this game, he'd be like automatic batman even if he wasn't the batman.
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On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned?
So, Bill --
Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good.
They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death.
Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map.
Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this.
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On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? So, Bill -- Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good. They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death. Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map. Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this.
.... I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process
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On February 06 2012 15:41 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? So, Bill -- Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good. They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death. Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map. Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. .... I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process
What do you want me to say? The games just starting, we're only on Zealot tech.
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