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Speaking of suspicions, I still do not understand the major argument against me. Is it still 5-5 scum tell? Because some of you are arguing there are not five scum, and you can't have it both ways guys. -_- If it was the way I responded to the pressure ("over-reaction"), I still think I addressed that question sufficiently considering that no one is pointing out which specific part of my post is scummy. | ||
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On February 06 2012 02:43 redFF wrote: This was scummy as fuck. This was his justification for switching from Scamp to refallen, but it makes no sense. Scamp would be the third candidate in this situation, but if he was scum why would scum quickvote him into the lead? Why would that be bad if they did that? People were mainly voting Refallen and GGQ then. I went and put out strong FOS for Scamp using association tell, then realized if people start taking Scamp lynch more seriously it might split the vote and increase the chance of GGQ getting killed. Note that this was before GGQ's scum-like hop on Refallen wagon. | ||
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7-5 situation when there is less than nine hours left = splitting the vote between several candidates = begging for scum to quick vote third candidate into lead. People think A and B are scum and vote among them naturally. People A and B are scum, so it is in mafia's best interests to vote for candidate C who is town. If town distributes their votes among A and B evenly, it is more easier for scum to bandwagon C. So yes, it is "third candidate". | ||
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C = GGQ Note that I expected people to follow me because my argument was awesome. Of course I hadn't counted on how terrible Refallen was but meh. | ||
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Jesus Christ this town. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://celebslists.com/images/benny-hill-01.jpg) just a note everyone in this game except rad and myself played terribly - Words from the wise man. Post-game notes This was a fun set-up to play, though I think most of us had collective duh moment at some point of the game. It's not often I rolls scum on this game so I wanted to give my very best, but it was not to be as I would soon commit multitude of lethal mistakes.  More on that later.On day 1 I did think bumatlarge could be scum-telling, but I also wanted to keep my pro-town facade up. So I prodded bumatlarge but left myself an out. If you look over the post again, you'd see I prepared myself to switch later on. + Show Spoiler + Also, ##Vote bumatlarge his first post is just bad like many pointed out. Surprised no one decided to lean over him for it -_- allows me to mask it as pressure vote, making it less unnatural when I change my target after someone drops off something I could use. Rest is easy, people bandwagoned Radfield out of nowhere and I began supporting bumatlarge when I was sure Radfield was going to die. Blazinghand wasn't going to change his mind with the way he was going. I'll explain my broadcast plan for this game. The threat was that Inception Agent could potentially see them meaning straight-up claiming would be difficult. However, looking at the role-list it was also obvious this role would not be able to see the broadcast all the time. Thus, I decided to divide my messages into two parts, and because it's encrypted it would be impossible to determine the content unless the receiver had both: y8ayxjnott ; k= P2av30F ; CipherNaBl [D1-N1-D2] If some did not figure out my message, I hoped 'cipher' on D2 message would be enough to lead people into http://infoencrypt.com If you decrypt y8ayxjnottk= using P2av30F as a key, you get "bird" which refers to picture on my profile. You may notice on the third message that there is NaBl. That meant to communicate that I was hitting Navillus and Blazinghand. This was my biggest mistake which cost our team the game. Sincere apologizes for that, I feel terrible about it T_T The thing was... let me skip day 2 because I just pushed bumatlarge wagon. Only thing I regretted was On February 03 2012 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote: You know what, I'll move my vote to Refallen right now. We cannot afford splitting the vote in this situation. ##Vote Refallen I should have just manned up and only gave justification when somebody pushed me on it, and RedFF picked up on this immediately. He would thereafter became major pain in the ass, but I knew hitting him was terrible idea since there was highly likely to be BP role in the game and "vote me!" just seemed like obvious gambit to draw mafia NK. Okay, back to the Lanaia mistake. Navillus just decided to go afk and I completely seized up on it as gambit by Intelligence Agent to buy precious investigation time. This impression was reinforced when he indeed came out of nowhere few times during the day despite his apparent warning. So at Night 3 I re-wrote that Navillus had to die.  This was a massive mistake by me and proves that tunnel-vision can be enemy of not only the town, but mafia. I actually realized something was wrong when Lanaia began dripping the cop tells all over the place, and I probably would have changed my NK if I could have communicated with my scum team. However, that was clearly impossible and I did not want to switch my kill when I already announced I was going to kill Navillus; I somehow persuaded myself that cop wouldn't act so obvious -_- My weakness to WIFOM has been the vain of me since the days of Micro-MAFIA (The First). Don't know what I could say next, Lanaia claimed and I made a scum-tell that brought the entire suspicion upon me. I could not deviate from Scamp lynch because that had been my stance since the beginning. I might have fought for it harder tomorrow, but when Zeph, Hesmyy, GGQ: If one of you is town, you really need to put together a case on redFF or V7. We don't have any more mislynches this game, we need to get it right. Go away Blazinghand, I hate you. I decided I better sink and not give town anything else to work with. I might have spammed when somebody mentioned Godfather, in order to make some suspect I am interrupting the discussion in order to hide the presence of forementioned role, but none of that happened and I died. Really sad we missed the opportunity to win on the last day. Zephirdd PM'd me expressing his frustrations and subsequent communications (I tried my best to skirt around relevant info) express my view pretty well: + Show Spoiler + there is only one thing he can possibly do 1. kill cwave 2. race against red to vote first Original Message From Hesmyrr: Oh, so that's why. Still debatable decision, but hey redFF speaks the truth >.> He was not the only one [REDACTED]. (Post edit: He was not the only one "who stuck to single plan unwisely") If it was me I would have just made a ruckus and forced the matter while CWave was afk but I guess that was bit of a risk. Hope v7 is smart enough to know what to do following night & day. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Zephirdd: I think I made a huge mistake, asking v7 to call me scum. If he had call'd me town, we'd win today. sorry about that anyway v7 wins in two days After the lynch: + Show Spoiler + I told him to call me scum; the race didn't happen because of me. Also, I'm pretty sure iGrok will deal with the 1v1 situation without it being a vote race. At least he told me he had discussed that with greymist. perhaps it's a draw, or just standard scum win. tbqh in a 2v1 scenario, red will think between cwave/v7 and cwave will think between red/v7 especially if v7 can create the scenario for that, and I'm pretty sure he can. in fact, given my latest interactions with red, it's quite possible that cwave will be confused as much as red. The question was "Why say that?" And the answer is: WIFOM generator. Original Message From Hesmyrr: Hide nested quote - I'll surely want to apologize to my scum team for last night's actions, because we could've won today. I'm sorry! Why say that? If vaderseven is unable to access his computer at deadline, he has no choice but to submit no kill and try to risk three-man lylo. By all means it'll be difficult but better than a vote race he can't win. He can definitely argue his way through WIFOM. That is what I suspected v7 was aiming for, since if he intended to vote race he could have done so today where victory was guaranteed instead of tomorrow. I screwed up the entire scum game, because I was the one who had tunnel-vision on Navillus and managed to miss completely obvious Lanaia, but I didn't apologize immediately because you do not want to give information to the town until the game is over =/ Still it was interesting game, redFF did the best out of all the town (maybe Radfield would have taken this spot but you know what happened :p), and I think I was mafia LVP with the Navillus tunnel-vision. | ||
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bum def sc; y8ayxjnott; IamDARTH#; Radfield Scum? Cocky Sneaks; QisSleeper; k= P2av30F; V7isSCUMme; I would have been very surprised if the mafia did not figure out each other at that point except me. | ||
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If Jackal was vig: 5 SCUM 5 TOWN Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot. 3 SCUM 4 TOWN | ||
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Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this. | ||
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I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner. It's more of "I gave my best for this game, investing hours into it, because I assumed this game was winnable. However, at the end of the game I learned it was impossible for the town faction to win unless mafia turned out to be massively incompetent at understanding the rules (which happened)". RedFF is definitely behaving poorly, but failure to understand the problem is also quite problematic for the future. Another objection of RedFF seem to be that vote race on 1v1 is hardly different than vote race on 5v5. By the time Jackal was dead (3v3 at the time I believe), vote rushing have become legit strategy. If any of these three realized this and initiated the vote rush, the game still would have been determined by who votes faster - which is the reason why the host decided to intervene on the last day! Once again, none of this happened but I believe that he thinks it is fault of the win condition that allowed even the possibility of such vote race to occur. | ||
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