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Mass-Claiming=Insta Death and I left the classroom last time :-( | ||
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Im gonna start responding to cases and make cases myself. On January 05 2012 04:28 layabout wrote: Bluelightz i think...: he lacks confidence in his own abilities that he may try to lurk that he has not tried to help that what he has written makes sense from a "town that has to get on a plane and will have limited internet acess" perspective he has provided us with very little that can be analysed effectively i do not think that there you can make all of those inferences + Show Spoiler + "profoundly unuseful" and "anti town" BH at this point in time nearly any case you can come up with needs to forced and isn't necessarily helpful You seem to like throwing your vote around but do you really think that at the current moment in time everyone should vote for bluelightz to kill him, possibly end the day and let night actions happen? if i were the type i might accuse you of "trying to gain town cred by forcing a case based off of thin air." i will not do that. Anyway, first I clearly said that I wouldn't be available till about now(Flight was delayed ;|) Anyway, my thoughts on lynching lurkers. It ends up lynching a townie usually | ||
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Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. | ||
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First, I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way. Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example) Also, Here's the list of people I want posting xsksc Cwave risk.nuke Errandor That is all. | ||
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I think we should avoid lynching a lurker unless we have no other option left. Next, my reads on people Blazinghand, Town: From the way he is posting I assume that he is Town Cwave, Null: He only has 2 posts so I can't determine his allignment yet. Dirkzor, Null: When comparing his post's from Mr.Wiggles Mini and Here he acts differently, In Mr.Wiggles Mini he analyzes other people's post, etc that is town Dirk. But here, he discusses Strategy,etc but this is a new/ diffrent setup | ||
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Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! | ||
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On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote: So who would you lynch Bluelightz? Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. | ||
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At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him | ||
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On January 05 2012 22:24 Palmar wrote: So consider this scenario. You are now a day-vigilante, if you kill a townie, you will lose the game for town immediately, so you have to shoot scum, everything is on the line. You HAVE to hit scum with the information you have now. Would you shoot RoL? If I was in that situation then no. Because I lack sufficient information to make a correct move. | ||
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On January 06 2012 00:19 Palmar wrote: Me talking to syllo doesn't mean I don't want to hear your answer to my hypothetical question Bluelight. with the game on the line, and your gun loaded, who takes the bullet and why? Hmm, if it was that i'd re-evaluate everyone other then RoL and if i find someone else scummier then him I wouldn't shoot RoL but If I didn't find anyone scummier i'd shoot RoL. | ||
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On January 06 2012 00:21 Palmar wrote: Wait, didn't you just read everyone's filter? What's there to re-evaluate? Do you not like your conclusion of everyone being null? Okay, First, I Assumed that I didn't do the analysis of everyone Next, I would re-evaluate all the possible things Lastly, even though I still have null reads I dont really trust my ability to analyze people's post's. Though if there we're more post's I could make a more accurate analyisis Now, my if I would answer your hipotethical situation given with the analysis I had I would shoot RoL. | ||
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On January 06 2012 00:24 Palmar wrote: In addition, Neither risk.nuke nor RoL have posted anything in the game yet. What makes you think RoL is more likely to be scum than risk.nuke? I think RoL is more scum because he didnt post anything before now and risk.nuke "promised"more content but, if he didnt fullfill the promise I would consider that he is scum also. | ||
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On January 06 2012 01:12 Palmar wrote: Well, I'm not sure what I should be asking you, apparently you're happy with fencesitting through the lynch, throwing your vote randomly against some lurker. Your entire scumhunting process is "This guy has not posted, so he must be scum". And I have a problem with that. Don't let me keep you up, there's still another day. You better come up with something better tomorrow, even if it's only a measurement of your neck. Okay i'll adress this post then go to sleep so, we have 2 days and 9 hrs from when I post this. Hopefully when I wake up I can make a more accurate analysis. | ||
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Anyway, holy derp we have votes spread on 4 people ._. I'll be updating my reads on people and looking more closely at people | ||
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Blazinghand, Leaning Town: From the way he is posting I assume that he is Town Cwave, Null: His post's contain pressure to Dirkzor discussion about strategy Dirkzor, Null: When comparing his post's from Mr.Wiggles Mini and Here he acts differently, In Mr.Wiggles Mini he analyzes other people's post, etc that is town Dirk. But here, he discusses Strategy,etc but this is a new/ diffrent setup Errandor, Null: Lurking he has not contributed in any way so i cannot determine his alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me.discussing about the lurkers in this game. and responding to accusations by HoD HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: He votes for Palmar because of meta. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null/FoS: Lurking cannot determine alignment but, he had 6 hours after he started to post in the thread Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers, also his suspicions on Palmar and risk.nuke risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot so, Null syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy For now, I want the lurkers to start posting. | ||
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On January 06 2012 12:51 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not reading anything that long tonight, it's 5 am and I'm only up because sweden are fucking bosses at hockey!! Risk, who do you want to lynch? and why? | ||
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lastly, we are 1 vote away from scum hammering Palmar(if he isn't one) | ||
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On January 06 2012 13:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Sorry, I had to finish up some business in the Responsibility game. Now that that is over this game gets my full attention. Who do you want to lynch? why? | ||
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First, before I explain why I want to admit I'm playing really bad Next, before reading this read previous cases on him By: layabout On January 06 2012 03:02 layabout wrote: I would lynch/shoot/violently murder Grackaroni if i had to kill someone now at the beginning he talks about hypotheticals involving roles, serveral players did this and it was largely irrelevant and so cannot really be used in analysis. he then wrote very confusing to be pushing a lynch and saying that a lynch was safe (which implies the existence of reasons why the case is safe but does not offer them) if we paraphrase then including this last bit results in "i think we should lynch a player that i do not think i will be able to get a good read on" lynch to kill scum not to get information here grack suggests using towns KP on a player he doesn't think he can read who hasn't posted more than a couple of lines by this point in the game. It has also already been explained why he shouldn't have suggested BL would be useless The above post seems a lot more reasonable if there are scum goals behind it. it should be self evident this is why this is so, but i will say that most of those statements don't make sense if grack is town. he (kind of) tries to take credit for pressuring BL and takes the blame for "BH taking shit for him" I am pretty sure BH "taking shit" was not because of grack and that grack is possibly trying to "buddy" up with BH and paint himself in a good light for taking blame. + Show Spoiler + this is't particularly incriminating but reading that sentence did bug me There isn't much to analyse but he is a reddest shade of grey in my eyes On January 06 2012 05:26 layabout wrote: Grackaroni: In this post his writes a pile of nothing to call HoD scum. my comments have been italicised Here, he decides that the person that he thinks should die right now, which is equivalent to his best lynch target for now is not HoD but Bluelightz Says he would lynch bluelightz mostly because "there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something" which is an awful reason to kill a player. votes that we lynch and kill a player other than the player he said he would most like to kill 2minutes earlier this is a glaring contradiction. I cannot understand why he would post such a thing as town. a universe in which those actions make sense would be a universe that sucks big ol' hairy BearBollocks. It seems that he could have decided to vote because Blazinghand told him to do something and he responded by voting, but all i can see is weak/barely even reasoning behind him thinking HoD is scum and nothing of worth to justify a vote. I do not think we should let players vote for such bad reasons. I think the vote is scummy. Does anybody thing his defence in this post is adequate? ( i do not ) So, now i'm going to analyze his post's, also this is long so I have it spoilered + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 01:22 Grackaroni wrote: Let's get started. Since it's instant majority lynch I think we should wait until near the end to vote or at least be aware of how many votes a player has on him before voting. We want the days to last as long as possible so we might as well use all the time that we are given instead of hammering the first scummy person we see. It would be smarter if the Town Channeler banishes people who are likely to be hit n1 instead of aiming to roleblock an angel unless he's very confident about a read. Obviously we want to lynch an angel today to try to reduce the KP but I'm not sure that there is anyway we can tell the difference between demons and angels, at least until their teammates have flipped. Probably later in the game we will have to focus on lynching demons over angels when they've corrupted several townies but We'll talk about that if it comes to that. In this one, he discusses what we should do, and also what the channeler should do, lastly what he think should be doing On January 05 2012 01:37 Grackaroni wrote: For this situation the most important fact is the person's status. If it's a veteran who had a high likelihood of being attacked n1 then he should be checked before lynched. If it is somebody who you wouldn't expect to be attacked lynch him. Sure it's possible that the angel could hold back his shot but it's unlikely for them to do so since they would rather kill the target of their choice than let a random player get lynched(which could even end up as one of their own.) Saying his opinions on what he thinks the Town Blues should do On January 05 2012 02:15 Grackaroni wrote: Hey BH, we meet again Do you think that Dirkzor would be a good day1 lynch or did you just vote him to check Zbot? Asking BH about why did he vote Dirkzor, there's nothing that here that can shine his alignment though On January 05 2012 02:59 Grackaroni wrote: As you already mentioned the game only started 10 hours ago so I'm sure people would post if they could. If we can't be sure that a player is an angel/demon I think the safe lynch is bluelightz. His play in Student mafia was weak and so far this game he has posted nothing but one liners. Hopefully he will have solid content when he returns but I am not too optimistic. I just don't think I will get a good read on him and he's not somebody I would want at lylo, the only downside to lynching him is that it may not give us as much information as many other lynches. Perhaps he would be a good n1 target for the town demon hunter? His opinions of me. On January 05 2012 03:10 Grackaroni wrote: What I'm saying is that even though I have a null read on him (he hasn't posted anything of value yet) he's not somebody that I would expect much from and could be a liability to the town later in the game. I don't think I'll get a solid read on him as I wasn't able to in student either and he's not somebody I would want in Lylo. The issue is that the last game I played in the town pretty much unanimously agreed that one player was acting scummy and he flipped town leaving the town basically as clueless on day 2 as we were day1. He seems like a solid lynch to me but if he flips town We'll be left with less information than I'd like. I basically answered my question from the end of my last post, he's a good demon hunter target (not like the angels will kill him for us) but maybe not the best for a lynch. Okay, i'll explain the connection of this post with another On January 05 2012 03:21 Grackaroni wrote: I guess you're right there, if he is a demon they could be saved by the transport and if he is an angel he wouldn't die. If he is sent to purgatory I would assume it was done by demons but their intentions are unknown, maybe they want to save him maybe they want to force a mislynch. Opinions on what he thinks what our blues should do. On January 05 2012 08:26 Grackaroni wrote: KK I'm back. I suggested the Bluelightz lynch and it looks like BH took a lot of shit because of me. Bluelightz was a null read and somebody I felt would be anti-town no matter what allignment he is. In this way it is similar to a lurker/inactive lynch, it's a null read but posting one liners can be just as bad for town as lurking. He will be my 2nd choice for lynch If I can't find a target I believe is scummy I will vote for him instead of a lurker lynch. Syllogism was right, In Student Mafia he was a replacement and scum, this is not enough information for me to know that he won't be helpful to town but that was the impression I got from him and he has not done anything to change it thus far. (BH seemed to have gotten the same impression) As for lurkers I'm a bit disturbed that Errandor is the only person getting called out. I have not seen a post from Errandor or RoL and Palmar knows the game started but only posted From what I gather though this is standard for Palmar. These players are veterans so I hope that they will contribute to the game. Luckily the day is 72 hours so we still have plenty of time left. Here again is his opinion's on Me, lurkers,and Palmar On January 05 2012 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: I already explained this though he is my 2nd choice for a lynch over a lurker lynch. Both styles of play are anti-town but we should be lynching scum not just people who are being anti-town. Your case on BL does not prove that he is scum it just says that his actions are anti-town. On January 05 2012 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: I already explained this though he is my 2nd choice for a lynch over a lurker lynch. Both styles of play are anti-town but we should be lynching scum not just people who are being anti-town. Your case on BL does not prove that he is scum it just says that his actions are anti-town. Explaining that I am his 2nd choice for lynching over a lurker. On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. Okay now, in the other post he said that he would rather lynch Me, but here he say's now he would rather lynch HoD On January 06 2012 04:18 Grackaroni wrote: Defense in bold I don't see much of a difference between my reasoning and BH's reasoning as much as he'd like to deny it. BH took all of his quotes and they only point to him being a bad player not scum. He even goes as far as to say that he wouldn't mind if he is town. His defense to layabout's case On January 06 2012 04:24 Grackaroni wrote: As for the Palmar question I would shoot Bluelightz because he could easily be mafia, there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something. However the lynch is used for Information as well as killing scum, it wouldn't give the most information but more than I previously thought as a lot of people seem split on whether he is scum or not. Question for Syllogism, Why do you dislike lynching BlueLightz? Is it because you have gotten a town read on him, (if yes plz do share), or was it just because of the way I presented his lynch. And again, here he says he now would like to lynch me. First he says that he would lynch me then HoD then he wants to lynch me again. On January 06 2012 04:26 Grackaroni wrote: fine. ##Vote: HarbingerofDoom But with that I am off, Will be back in a few hours though, I promise Now, to me this vote feel's forced. On January 06 2012 08:25 Grackaroni wrote: @Layabout. I think what you don't understand is that I see a difference between a day1 lynch and a day vig. I know perfectly well that Bluelightz is being anti-town but having him as a lynch target won't make anybody take a stand on their vote. Everyone can agree that he is being anti-town and then if he flips town all we will gain from it is BH saying "Damn I'm so pissed off that this player who I completely expected to play well has performed poorly, guess it's his fault." i would avoid this problem with a day vig shot. @BH Do you really hold him up to the same standards as other players that you would be pissed off if he flips town? If people are going to lynch somebody who I don't think is scum and If I can't find a scum player I will vote Bluelightz, he is simply my backup lynch. (I think he has a greater chance of flipping scum than any random lurker) His play is anti town but that doesn't mean he is scum. You're right that I should be shooting the person I vote for but the choice to vote wasn't really thought out. i'm not confident that HoD is scum but I do have my suspicions. The vote was a little bit based off of emotions because I am tired of BH's "be a man and vote" rants. Nevertheless it's not the end of the world as my vote is not locked in stone by any means and I still have more time to look into HoD. (or anyone else for that matter) Here he responds to questions and who he will vote(me) if he cannot find anyone more scummier than me(to him) On January 06 2012 09:06 Grackaroni wrote: That's basically one of the reasons I'm suspicious. You post a lot at the start and then when scumhunting begins you disappear, not that you didn't scumhunt at the start. The only meta I got from you was that you seemed like somebody who posted a lot and spent a lot of time scumhunting in that game. I should have looked into more recent games but what's wrong with letting me think that of you? the first part of your quote strikes me the wrong way because I get the feeling that you just wanted to downplay my abilities, you don't care if I accuse you and think my opinion should be worth less than a veteran like syllogism. You've done nothing to change my mind, the only person you call scummy is me and your reasoning is that you think my case against you is shitty + you add in my opinion of bluelightz which I don't think you would have even mentioned if I didn't accuse you. Next you make some posts about people lurking and leave. You haven't been scumhunting but you keep giving me reasons to believe that you have lots of time to do so : [previous game with lots of scumhunting and posting, early signup, post a lot on strategies at the start of the game (early to find out it started too) quick to see my post and has time to defend yourself] You're definitely holding back in your posting. Now, here he is comparing HoD in Newbie Mini and here, nothing shines his aligment here though. Now, wishy-wahsyness(like me) isn't really like himself in Student Mafia, In Student he was Direct and gave no second thought when he was voting on anyone. So, in conclusion FoS: Grackaroni | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote: So who would you lynch Bluelightz? On January 05 2012 22:24 Palmar wrote: So consider this scenario. You are now a day-vigilante, if you kill a townie, you will lose the game for town immediately, so you have to shoot scum, everything is on the line. You HAVE to hit scum with the information you have now. Would you shoot RoL? On January 06 2012 00:04 Palmar wrote: I created the hypothetical because I find it very interesting that Bluelight seems to think it's not one and the same question. I think in almost every situation you'd want to lynch and shoot the same person, because every lynch should always be used on the person most likely to flip scum. On January 06 2012 00:21 Palmar wrote: Wait, didn't you just read everyone's filter? What's there to re-evaluate? Do you not like your conclusion of everyone being null? On January 06 2012 00:55 Palmar wrote: Alright, so at gunpoint, your highest possibility of flipping scum is RoL, based on the fact that he has not posted. That's very... interesting. You have little enough faith in your actual reads that you would risk a game to kill off someone who you have nothing to determine his alignment on. | ||
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On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @Bluelightz: You had suspicion on you early in the game, but after that it's felt like you've disappeared. What are your thoughts right now? Who do you want to lynch? Right now, I am suspicious of Grackaroni due to his Wishy-washyness with his reads.I think that since there's no real candidate for lynching I am fine with lynching a lurker, but if a solid case does pop up i'm fine with switching over I don't have suspicions on Palmar/you after Palmar's defense though. | ||
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First, before this I am still supicious of RoL, i am also suspicious of Grackaroni. First, his post's On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote: The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now. The biggest question for me right now is this: Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe? Filler. On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote: Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow. Says, he will contribute On January 07 2012 00:45 Erandorr wrote: What would be Wiggles motivation as Scum to go after Palmar with a case like that in a two family setup? Ask's a question to Palmar, nothing shining his alignment here On January 07 2012 01:39 Erandorr wrote: I actually didn't roll scum. I just missed the start and don't seem to find a way into the game. I already stated with my brilliant 1 liner that I sort of dislike a Wiggles lynch and actually would like to lynch Palmar today. I don't quite know what to do with all the other crap that has been posted, since the only person I have a clear Town read on is you (YES IM TRYING TO BUDDY UP) Err, nothing shining alignment. On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote: Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why? Ask's a question. On January 07 2012 02:11 Erandorr wrote: Why do you think Risk is scummiest and not Tyrran/me? If I am not mistaken then Syllos reasons to rather lynch Palmar have very little to do with the arguments Wiggles brought forward. Ya, mistake on my side, sorry. Ask's a question to Dirkzor and admits a mistake, here he like in BH's cases "Hustleing" On January 07 2012 02:58 Erandorr wrote: Shut up WBGs Smurf, I am trying to get into this. Filler -,- Okay, so he say's he will contribute but from his filter Evidently NOT So, this is the reason's I will be voting Erandorr | ||
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Reason why, On January 04 2012 19:45 Tyrran wrote: /in And the game is on. I'll start with some basic guidelines about mafia : * DO NOT BANDWAGON. Please always gives a reason for you vote. More importantly dont vote without thinking about just because 5 other players already voted. * BUILD STRONG CASE WHEN SCUMHUNTING. This game is about convincing other people, not yourself. dont expect people to follow your vote if dont build a strong case. * DEFEND YOURSELF. Even as town, you migth get FoS'ed or have a case build up against you. Please dont go troll mode, dont call everyone dumb, but instead defend yourself and tell us what was going through your mind. This is your best chance of not being lynched. Not following these basic guidelines is what screwed town over in the steamship mafia. Follow them to maximize our chances to win this game. Going to lunch now, I'll post about the specificities of the setup later today. Here, Tyrran talks what a townie should do On January 04 2012 23:27 Tyrran wrote: Okay, first of all, as many people already have stated, the angel of Death should be our first target. Not only does he hold the angel KP, but the main issue for me is that The roles and alignement of his victim is NOT revealed. This does not seem to be the case if the other Angels use the slay ability. Zona, can you confirm that the role and alignement of a player killed using the slay ability, by the Angel acolyte and/or the Angelic observer are revealed? Not knowing the alignement/role of a killed player is devastating for town. Is the demon hunter still alive? Is the seer? is the sage? how many demons remains ? Setting up a stratey with limited information on the blue roles still alive will be pretty hard. The Demons can also conceal a lynch, but they can only do it once a game, so it have a smaller impact. Actually, we can use the banish ability offensively to determine the role of scummy player. If the slay ability is not used one nigth, then the banished (or the transported) player are very likely to be the angel holding the power of the death ray, and they should be priority target for investingation/future banishement. Therefore we can banish one of the player we think is an angel and see if the slay ability is used that nigth. Note that if no corruption happens on even numbered nigths , its harder to conclude because Demons could have tried to corrupt an angel or the sage. Strategy. On January 04 2012 23:32 Tyrran wrote: I dunno what's going on between these two, but we should just ignore this for now. Filler On January 06 2012 03:53 Tyrran wrote: I posted hastiliy from work, and i missed the post just above the Day 1 post. Mea culpa. Im in now. I first posted a message avoiding to avoid us played as bad as town as we did in steamship liquidia. Then I wanted to make a post explaining that information was going to be the key of this game. I added a idea I just had, on how we could use purgatory information to deduce scum role. It did not turn out to be as good as i thougth. I still stand by the fact that we are going to heavily analyse nigth actions in order to win this game. Now back to scum hunt. Reffalen I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel. So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ? His case against refallen On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote: I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me. Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful. Talking about meta On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote: If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with. Responding to HoD's case On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote: People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff. As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid. Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...). Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor Now, here is where I think he's scum, "As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid." ^wat? First, Erandorr is leading at votes but now Tyrran just following rhough with it just listing simple reason's I feel like he is scum when you read his steamship filter, he made cases etc etc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176 so, I'm unvoting Erandorr and voting Tyrran | ||
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So I claim townie On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote: Angelic Acolyte (x1) You are still in training to be angelic warrior, so you take great care in everything you do. But should the need arise, you are ready to do what you must. Every night, you may target a player to stalk. When you do so, choose one of: demon, corrupted town, or town with dark powers. If your target matches your choice, that player will be killed. If the Angel of Death has been eliminated, you may (instead of stalking,) target a player to slay. That player will be killed. You win with the angels. You may communicate outside of the thread with your angelic teammates, who are: | ||
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He has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote: I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal. Bluelightz Bluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote: Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote: First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers First, I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way. Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example) Also, Here's the list of people I want posting xsksc Cwave risk.nuke Errandor That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker. While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote: At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers. Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game. Refallen What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town.+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote: Finally started! Hype! My first thoughts on the setup; Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote: Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote: Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm. Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep. Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim) With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him. xsksc xsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote: I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing. | ||
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Now, I voted you because you didnt contribute much to the discussion you we're just asking question's and posting one-liners anyway as you said we have 60 hours so that's alot of time for you to contribute. | ||
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On January 10 2012 07:26 risk.nuke wrote: Blazing please use spoiler tags to organise your huge posts ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote: Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nuke He has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing. | ||
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On January 09 2012 01:20 Bluelightz wrote: Im gonna sleep now gyus, also I want to notify you that the period's I will be available will be shorter because School! is starting | ||
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risk.nuke On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote: Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nuke He has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing. Grackaroni Really, he votes by saying like this. I Agree with you X, (short reason) On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I agree with you. An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets. ##Vote: Errandor and he also votes at the current vote leader. Looking for an easy lynch? On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote: I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch. RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town. The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits. risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life. With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch. ##Vote: risk.nuke Also, since Palmar's flip I am suspicious at the people who tried to not vote him On January 07 2012 09:12 Grackaroni wrote: @HoD + Show Spoiler + If someone beside HoD is reading this, the question I am answering is "why I thought Bluelightz play as scum would be bad for town?" I really hate the quote formating inside of the spoiler so I'm going to avoid posting long quotes from student. On December 14 2011 09:44 Bluelightz wrote: sorry just didnt feel like posting (>_<) On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote: PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis On December 14 2011 15:57 Bluelightz wrote: sorry BH, didnt notice your case till now so, ##Vote: Tunkeg BH, is there any other of his posts that make you have a scumread on him? also, after looking @ BHs case m mind is decided for this day On December 08 2011 18:57 Bluelightz wrote: ey215 is leaning scum, when he says I Am Town but then, I quote Grackaroni On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote: NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE He openly showed no issue with lurking He openly sheep's other people Further when he posts his own cases they always end up being null. sometimes he took completely random parts of our posts out and used them for the main basis of his read. Maybe he did most of these things purely because he was scum but I think he could at least realize that his play wasn't resembling pro-town play Anyways if you really want to I could go over everyone one of his posts from the last game and tell you what bugged me about them. But the point is that I should not have based his entire play off of only one game from him as scum, and I shouldn't have brought my annoyance with his last game's performance into this game either. Now I get to focus on the game that is actually being played instead of going over this old one. As for Palmar I don't think the meta can conclude that he is scum and he seems much more willing to contribute than errandor. palmar could be our best scumhunter and I don't think a day1 meta read should be enough to risk killing one of our best players Besides people are downplaying his scum play so somebody explain to me why people keep saying that it will be scary if Palmar is scum? I'm going to assume that your issue is the sheeping and not that the case is built off of meta because you are voting for Errandor because of activity meta while criticizing other people for doing the same thing to you. So, I think risk is a good lynch but, I am suspicuous of Grackaroni | ||
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Grackaroni So, for Grack I am examining How he votes, First d1 "I Agree with you X" On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I agree with you. An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets. ##Vote: Errandor d2 "Risk is leading vote count let's lynch him!" On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote: I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch. RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town. The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits. risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life. With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch. ##Vote: risk.nuke d3 "Oh everyone's suspicious of RoL, I'll do the same" On January 13 2012 10:19 Grackaroni wrote: I think it was in response to Zephirdd's theory about him. RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum. ##Vote: RebirthofLegend Also, some other reason's First, on d1 after Palmar's flip i took a look at people who we're content on lynching him and people who are not. d1 he say's "An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar" also, "Heck I'll also defend Palmar!" On January 07 2012 10:04 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles seems confident in his vote and I sincerely believe that he thinks Palmar is scum. In fact Wiggles' case has been extremely helpful because it was what prompted Palmar to get into this game, even if it was originally just so he could call wiggles bad. This I don't really agree with, I would be perfectly fine with lynching Palmar later in the game I just don't think lynching a veteran with strong town play based off of meta is a good idea. people seem to feel that his scum play is really weak so why not give him a chance, give him another day to catch some scum or to build a case based less on meta that he is normally more active and aggressive as town. The bottom line is that I think Wiggles is sincerely convinced that Palmar is scummy and that this is not a scum ploy. Wiggles play looks pro town to me. But as for Jackal he seems less convinced that Palmar is actually scum, it looks more like he just dislikes him. Why do you always attack Palmar? He is not the best vote for today. Lastly, How do you know they will flip scum? (Both flipped town) [rh][/rh] On January 08 2012 09:34 Grackaroni wrote: @BH/Layabout FFS, they are probably both going to flip scum, we just need to avoid a no-lynch. Right I think you guys just want to be the person able to brag about finding scum. So, that end's my analysis on Grack. Next in line, Spaackle First, On January 08 2012 11:07 Spaackle wrote: So, the experienced player obviously know how to play town (duh, they're experienced). They know how to be as helpful to the town as possible. Taking from Ver's guide(?) to town play:Link here (clicky) + Show Spoiler + There are three main goals for the town on day 1 in a standard game: 1) Get useful information (often achieved via point 2) 2) Create an ideal atmosphere (will go over this in detail in town guide) 3) Figure out your plans/direction The obvious way to analyze the situation would be to take the current players in suspicion and see if they are trying to achieve the above goals.: risk.nuke: Filter (clicky) 1) Get Information -- I hate to make a meta argument, but I feel like it's necessary here. When I played with risk in Election, he spent much of Day 1 jabbing at other players and trying to squeeze info out of them. I feel like he isn't doing this so much now. Many of his posts have been reactions to the poking of others, and he's offered little analysis of his own. His play in this regard doesn't look very towney to me. 2) Create an atmosphere -- This goal is linked with the previous one. The best atmosphere for town is one where they can get as much information as possible. I feel like risk is falling short here too. He hasn't been offering many points for discussion, and his reactionary posting has most other townies snapping at him. 3) Figure out plans -- This is a tough one. There really haven't been any plans put forth by anyone, just some bandwagons and a lot of finger pointing. risk has been doing just about as much of this as everyone else. Risk's play is looking a bit scummy to me. He hasn't been offering much solid analysis, and he fans the flames of the arguments in the thread. We definitely need to pressure him some more tomorrow. More coming soon! Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote: Palmar:Filter (clicky) 1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though. 2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects. 3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans. Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him. Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote: I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then: ##vote RebirthOfLegend "People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!" so basically sheeping On January 11 2012 15:51 Spaackle wrote: So, after reading through Tyrran's thread, he's starring to look pretty scummy to me. He's posted much less than most others in this game, and his posts are long and full of fluff. He seems to spend a lot of time trying to tell other players how to play when he could be giving analysis or answering questions. He also contradicts himself a few times. Posts that really stand out to me: + Show Spoiler + What makes you think that angels will want to target the blues ? They are pretty much immune to blues, appart from the seer which will be desintegrated by the Angel of Death if he ever claim ( or i guess you could banish him, but then he would be pretty useless). So angel will just randomly shoot into townies, who knows, they migth even get a lucky shot on a demon, they migth also kill townies with dark power if they are not banished. Secondly you suppose that Demons are going to want to use their banish defensively. If they want to do this, then Demons will just banish the Demon Hunter ( which will NEVER EVER be targeted by angels, because he basically works for them). If they have corrupted someone, they can also banish the sage, and just enjoy they extra vote ! They are not going to banish someone in order to 'protect' him. Your plan gives HUGE information to both scum faction, and town actually gains very little from it. I dont like it. I think it favors Demons way too much ( because they can protect themself way more easely using their power knowing who the blues are), it also helps angels a bit ( they can kill the seer, they do not risk killing the demon hunter by mistake). But town is definitively the big loser in your plan. And Okay, i misread and missed the color only claim part. My bad, gotta go back some new googles. Your plan is therefore much better than i initially thougth. I still have an issue with how you are going to deal with corruption. Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too. On one hand you say that corrupted town should claim, but on the other hand you also advise multiple claim. What does town gain form multiple corruption claim ? While i agree that this migth confuse scum, If the angels are in doubt on how to get rid of corrupted townies, how are we going to know how to deal with it ? These posts are a glaring contradictions to each other. Tyrran points out several large flaws in RoL's plan. However, when RoL clears up the color claim issue, suddenly these flaws aren't so bad anymore. To me this represents a bit of wishy-washiness on Tyrran's part. He's very opposed to RoL's plan one minute, then thinks it's not too bad the next. There's Also this bit: By we, does Tyrran mean town? Or is there some special we only him and RoL know about? This post caught my eye too: this is one of theposts that I really think paints Tyrran as a scum. He starts by congratulating the DH for the kill, then starts listing possibilities. His possibilities state what could have happened, but Tyrran doesnt really ever state what he thinks happened. Just "well maybe this or that." This noncommittal post also really highlights just how wishy-washy Tyrran has been this whole game. Tyrran, wha do you have to say for yourself? Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious. He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL. + Show Spoiler + On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote: @Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch. The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO. Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL. On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote: When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could. On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote: @BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me. With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk? Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason) Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:31 Grackaroni wrote: BL, why are you considering voting before even reading the cases? "Hey everybody let's lynch HoD cmon" On January 14 2012 08:12 layabout wrote: Current Vote Count: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 3 Lynch. With 13 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch. Current votes: HarbingerOfDoom (3): Tyrran, syllogism, layabout RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Grackaroni, Spaackle (1): Zephirdd Bluelightz (1): Jackal58 Blazinghand (1): RebirthOfLeGenD The Day 3 deadline is at January 15 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 1:48:45 from now.) Vote HarbingerOfDoom | ||
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List Of Reads kgo! 1.Blazinghand (Leaning Town) His post's contain one liners and holy 19 pages of it but it also it contains pressure on some people. 2.Dirkzor (Suspicious) I'm suspicious particularly in this post On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote: Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard... The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support. RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier. HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles: So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse. So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked. What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes? My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities. Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage} 3.Grack (Leaning Town) HoD said that grack was not angel, but what if he is a demon?. He has been sheeping but, how he post's make me lean town. 4.HoD (Leaning Town) HoD claimed, and also how he has been posting. 5.Jackal58 (Leaning Scum/) He has been posting 3 pages worth of one-liners but he has been pressuring many people. 6.layabout (Leaning town) In student mafia, he was aggresive and here he is also so, I am leaning town on him. 7.Refallen (Null/Leaning Town) He post's Lot's of one liner's but has contributed alot to the discussion so I'm leaning town on Refallen 8.Syllogism (Leaning Town) He has done lots of scumhunting, and pressuring people so Leaning Town 9.Tyrran (Leaning Town/Scum) He has been lurking Hard! He has been Contributing though so Town. 10.Spaackle (Leaning Scum) On January 14 2012 01:01 Bluelightz wrote: First, Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum "People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!" so basically sheeping Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious. He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL. + Show Spoiler + On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote: @Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch. The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO. Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL. On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote: When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could. On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote: @BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me. With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk? Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason) Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now. 11.Zephirrd With his VT claim I believe him for now. | ||
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Spaackle: Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum "People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!" so basically sheeping Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious. He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL. + Show Spoiler + On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote: @Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch. The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO. Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL. On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote: When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could. On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote: @BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me. With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk? Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason) Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now. He also has been lurking hardcore Other Possible Scum: Dirkzor: I'm suspicious particularly in this post On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote: Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard... The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support. RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier. HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles: So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse. So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked. What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes? My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities. Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage} | ||
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@Blazinghand I am sorry I'm playing like a shitty dick, not helping, and sucking hard. So, now I want to say Who I think is the scum First, who I think is scum Dirkzor: I'm suspicious particularly in this post On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote: Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard... The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support. RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier. HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles: So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse. So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked. What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes? My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities. Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage} Dirkzor: I'm suspicious particularly in this post On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote: Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard... The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support. RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier. HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles: So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse. So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked. What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes? My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities. Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage} On January 07 2012 01:34 Dirkzor wrote: Okay about palmar/Wiggles: Wiggles filters contains a few "ARGH TEXT ALL OVER" posts but the only one with actual content is the case on Palmar. The rest are just generic play tips, setup talk and then a follow post to his case on Palmar. About his case (clicky): His case on Palmar is essentiel useless for me because it's all based on meta. He basicly ask me to trust him and vote on palmar because he gets a different feeling from palmar then he usually does. When i read palmars defence the case just fall apart. Wiggles either lied on purpose or didn't read the thread/palmars filter. Considering Palmar had 1½ page of filter at the point of the case it would be hard to miss something that obvious. I mean it was in a post by itself and he pointed out the whole conversation with Bluelightz which that post was a part of. In Palmars filter i fail to find anything that i would really find scummy. Again I can't take a meta-plastic-bag over his head so i just look at the actual content. He discusses and press bluelightz to give an answer that isn't evasive. I don't find anything that screams town to me either. Out of the two i would rather see Wiggles hang as of now. One of the main points of Palmars case on Wiggles is that Wiggles is better then making such a case on Palmar (meta - i don't know), however the points about intentionally lying however are spot on and very discriminating for wiggles. Hello defending Palmar, are you his ally? Jackal: He has not bothered to post post's with content and is well harcore lurking today ;| Also, since he wanted Palmar lynched, I'm concluding he's not a demon but an angel. | ||
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Dirkzor: Leaning Town Grackaroni: Leaning Town / Scum HarbingerOfDoom: Leaning Town Jackal58: Leaning Town/Scum layabout: Leaning Town Refallen: Leaning Scum Tyrran: Leaning Zephirdd: Leaning Town | ||
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On January 06 2012 03:42 layabout wrote: filterlist of players: Blazinghand Bluelightz Dirkzor Grackaroni HarbingerOfDoom Jackal58 layabout Refallen Tyrran Zephirdd Now, Since BH claimed the "Not dark" read on Grack, I think he is town but there is still the possibility of him being an angel. He has done nothing helping the town, sheeped hard. He also has been contributing to the discussion though so I'm mixed with Grack. Next, Refallen I think Refallen is scum because he seemed preeety sure about some ??? flips in some of his post's On January 16 2012 19:33 Refallen wrote: Where'd you get the idea that they thought syllo was the seer? I'm pretty sure syllo was vanilla town tbh. But, his stance on Palmar day 1 make's me look as he is town tho On Jackal, I'm preety mixed up cuz he has been contributing alot lately but, before that he has been posting pointless stuff alot ;/ My vote is on Jackal for now because when I see his filter and compare it with when he is Town I see a difference in how much content he provides. ##Vote: Jackal58 Please excuse me, as I don't have computer access at the time before the lynch happens(about to sleep and have no access to computer) So, with this last word's I say I am Town. If you Lynch Me, I will flip town. | ||
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On January 06 2012 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: -snip If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO. -snip- On December 28 2011 15:41 ZBot wrote: Blazinghand Bluelightz Dirkzor Grackaroni HarbingerOfDoom layabout Refallen Tyrran Zephirdd But then! On January 18 2012 09:48 ZBot wrote:Jackal58, the Angelic Observer was lynched Day 4! | ||
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He even thought of lynching me On January 06 2012 00:14 Palmar wrote: Reading the thread "carefully" has become much easier since the filter button. What strikes me as odd in it is that he managed to apparently read the filter of 17 people, and he didn't find one scum in them. he found 14 null tells, with 3 people in layabout and wiggles and of course blazinghand who seem to be his strongest townread. If his list actually had any content in it I would consider it a pro-town move, but really, when you break it down, all he said is he has a slight town read on wiggles and layabout, and an even slighter townread on a few others. It has no conclusions at all. Now, I know this doesn't apply because of BL's low experience, but do you normally think that someone hopping into the thread, calling his main accuser town, and saying almost everyone else is a null-read is something a townie would do? I'm starting to think we should lynch BL. | ||
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also Zona where are you T_T | ||
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Me Refallen HoD Why? First, I got cleansed. Next, I got the "Dark" read on Refallen. I fully think the grackster is the last angel | ||
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1)Was I Cleansed? 2)Is Refallen "Dark" as I say If Refallen is supposedly "Dark" then I am town. | ||
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So, cmon sir AoD(I think :p) you know your getting lynched | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:17 Bluelightz wrote: Okay we have 3 confirmed town Me Refallen HoD Why? First, I got cleansed. Next, I got the "Dark" read on Refallen. I fully think the grackster is the last angel | ||
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On January 19 2012 21:18 Grackaroni wrote: Zephirdd looks pretty townie to me so it has to be Dirkzor/Bluelightz. Dirkzor flipped town, I'm town, I think Zeph is town so that leaves you, ser AoD. | ||
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Grackaroni AoD HarbingerOfDoom CONFIRMED Town Refallen CONFIRMED Town Zephirdd Town Your odds are well 8D | ||
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Well, let's put it shall I say "Answer". I WAS CLEANSED, AND YOU CAN'T DENY IT | ||
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Just gimmeh :3 | ||
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What kept you from shooting me? | ||
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Town: Blazinghand thanks for leading us through LYLO to victory lolol Angel: Grack staying alive till the last day -,- Demon: Not sure :3 | ||
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On January 05 2012 20:21 Palmar wrote: between risk.nuke and Grackaroni, I'd much rather have a look at Grack, since I'm actually willing to wait for risk's initial contribution. I would actually have no problem with lynching people like RoL or Jackal day 1. On December 06 2011 10:09 ElectricBlack wrote: And I think you're the last scum That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy. Game solved. Next one? | ||
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On January 21 2012 13:15 Blazinghand wrote: Just imagine if Palm had been town this game. At least you were :S | ||
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On January 23 2012 07:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I read about 1-2 filters, and around 15-20 pages of the game. Not if the filter is BHs filter | ||
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On February 01 2012 13:25 Zona wrote: Final (easy?) bonus question for everyone: The angels and demons call the setting in which this game took place the Hearth. What do the humans call it? Purgatory? | ||
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