Purgatory Mafia

On January 05 2012 04:28 layabout wrote:
Bluelightz
i think...:
he lacks confidence in his own abilities
that he may try to lurk
that he has not tried to help
that what he has written makes sense from a "town that has to get on a plane and will have limited internet acess" perspective
he has provided us with very little that can be analysed effectively

i do not think that there you can make all of those inferences + Show Spoiler + and say that they are his verdict and his damnation.

BH at this point in time nearly any case you can come up with needs to forced and isn't necessarily helpful
You seem to like throwing your vote around but do you really think that at the current moment in time everyone should vote for bluelightz to kill him, possibly end the day and let night actions happen?

if i were the type i might accuse you of "trying to gain town cred by forcing a case based off of thin air."
i will not do that.

On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote:
So who would you lynch Bluelightz?

On January 05 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:


Yes, but which lurker, and why?

On January 05 2012 22:24 Palmar wrote:
So consider this scenario.

You are now a day-vigilante, if you kill a townie, you will lose the game for town immediately, so you have to shoot scum, everything is on the line. You HAVE to hit scum with the information you have now.

Would you shoot RoL?

On January 06 2012 00:19 Palmar wrote:
Me talking to syllo doesn't mean I don't want to hear your answer to my hypothetical question Bluelight. with the game on the line, and your gun loaded, who takes the bullet and why?

On January 06 2012 00:21 Palmar wrote:


Wait, didn't you just read everyone's filter? What's there to re-evaluate? Do you not like your conclusion of everyone being null?

On January 06 2012 00:24 Palmar wrote:
In addition, Neither risk.nuke nor RoL have posted anything in the game yet. What makes you think RoL is more likely to be scum than risk.nuke?

On January 06 2012 01:12 Palmar wrote:


Well, I'm not sure what I should be asking you, apparently you're happy with fencesitting through the lynch, throwing your vote randomly against some lurker.

Your entire scumhunting process is "This guy has not posted, so he must be scum". And I have a problem with that.

Don't let me keep you up, there's still another day. You better come up with something better tomorrow, even if it's only a measurement of your neck.

On January 06 2012 12:51 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not reading anything that long tonight, it's 5 am and I'm only up because sweden are fucking bosses at hockey!!

On January 06 2012 13:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sorry, I had to finish up some business in the Responsibility game. Now that that is over this game gets my full attention.

On January 06 2012 03:02 layabout wrote:
I would lynch/shoot/violently murder Grackaroni if i had to kill someone now

at the beginning he talks about hypotheticals involving roles, serveral players did this and it was largely irrelevant and so cannot really be used in analysis.

he then wrote


very confusing to be pushing a lynch and saying that a lynch was safe (which implies the existence of reasons why the case is safe but does not offer them)

if we paraphrase then including this last bit results in "i think we should lynch a player that i do not think i will be able to get a good read on"

lynch to kill scum not to get information

here grack suggests using towns KP on a player he doesn't think he can read who hasn't posted more than a couple of lines by this point in the game.

It has also already been explained why he shouldn't have suggested BL would be useless

The above post seems a lot more reasonable if there are scum goals behind it.
it should be self evident this is why this is so, but i will say that most of those statements don't make sense if grack is town.

he (kind of) tries to take credit for pressuring BL and takes the blame for "BH taking shit for him"
I am pretty sure BH "taking shit" was not because of grack and that grack is possibly trying to "buddy" up with BH and paint himself in a good light for taking blame.
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There isn't much to analyse but he is a reddest shade of grey in my eyes

On January 06 2012 05:26 layabout wrote:
Grackaroni:
In this post his writes a pile of nothing to call HoD scum. my comments have been italicised


Here, he decides that the person that he thinks should die right now, which is equivalent to his best lynch target for now is not HoD but Bluelightz

Says he would lynch bluelightz mostly because "there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something" which is an awful reason to kill a player.

votes that we lynch and kill a player other than the player he said he would most like to kill 2minutes earlier
this is a glaring contradiction. I cannot understand why he would post such a thing as town.

a universe in which those actions make sense would be a universe that sucks big ol' hairy BearBollocks.

It seems that he could have decided to vote because Blazinghand told him to do something and he responded by voting, but all i can see is weak/barely even reasoning behind him thinking HoD is scum and nothing of worth to justify a vote. I do not think we should let players vote for such bad reasons. I think the vote is scummy.

Does anybody thing his defence in this post is adequate? ( i do not )

On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


@Bluelightz: You had suspicion on you early in the game, but after that it's felt like you've disappeared. What are your thoughts right now? Who do you want to lynch?

On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote:
The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now.


The biggest question for me right now is this:

Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe?

On January 05 2012 09:54 Erandorr wrote:


And the long lost brother part?

On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote:
Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow.

On January 07 2012 00:45 Erandorr wrote:
What would be Wiggles motivation as Scum to go after Palmar with a case like that in a two family setup?

On January 07 2012 01:39 Erandorr wrote:


I actually didn't roll scum. I just missed the start and don't seem to find a way into the game. I already stated with my brilliant 1 liner that I sort of dislike a Wiggles lynch and actually would like to lynch Palmar today. I don't quite know what to do with all the other crap that has been posted, since the only person I have a clear Town read on is you (YES IM TRYING TO BUDDY UP)

On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote:


Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why?

On January 07 2012 02:11 Erandorr wrote:


Why do you think Risk is scummiest and not Tyrran/me?

If I am not mistaken then Syllos reasons to rather lynch Palmar have very little to do with the arguments Wiggles brought forward.



Ya, mistake on my side, sorry.

On January 07 2012 02:58 Erandorr wrote:
Shut up WBGs Smurf, I am trying to get into this.

On January 04 2012 19:45 Tyrran wrote:
/in
And the game is on.


I'll start with some basic guidelines about mafia :

* DO NOT BANDWAGON. Please always gives a reason for you vote. More importantly dont vote without thinking about just because 5 other players already voted.

* BUILD STRONG CASE WHEN SCUMHUNTING. This game is about convincing other people, not yourself. dont expect people to follow your vote if dont build a strong case.

* DEFEND YOURSELF. Even as town, you migth get FoS'ed or have a case build up against you. Please dont go troll mode, dont call everyone dumb, but instead defend yourself and tell us what was going through your mind. This is your best chance of not being lynched.

Not following these basic guidelines is what screwed town over in the steamship mafia. Follow them to maximize our chances to win this game.

Going to lunch now, I'll post about the specificities of the setup later today.

On January 04 2012 23:27 Tyrran wrote:
Okay, first of all, as many people already have stated, the angel of Death should be our first target. Not only does he hold the angel KP, but the main issue for me is that The roles and alignement of his victim is NOT revealed. This does not seem to be the case if the other Angels use the slay ability.

Zona, can you confirm that the role and alignement of a player killed using the slay ability, by the Angel acolyte and/or the Angelic observer are revealed?

Not knowing the alignement/role of a killed player is devastating for town. Is the demon hunter still alive? Is the seer? is the sage? how many demons remains ? Setting up a stratey with limited information on the blue roles still alive will be pretty hard.

The Demons can also conceal a lynch, but they can only do it once a game, so it have a smaller impact.





Actually, we can use the banish ability offensively to determine the role of scummy player. If the slay ability is not used one nigth, then the banished (or the transported) player are very likely to be the angel holding the power of the death ray, and they should be priority target for investingation/future banishement. Therefore we can banish one of the player we think is an angel and see if the slay ability is used that nigth.

Note that if no corruption happens on even numbered nigths , its harder to conclude because Demons could have tried to corrupt an angel or the sage.

On January 04 2012 23:32 Tyrran wrote:





I dunno what's going on between these two, but we should just ignore this for now.

On January 06 2012 03:53 Tyrran wrote:


I posted hastiliy from work, and i missed the post just above the Day 1 post. Mea culpa. Im in now. I first posted a message avoiding to avoid us played as bad as town as we did in steamship liquidia.

Then I wanted to make a post explaining that information was going to be the key of this game. I added a idea I just had, on how we could use purgatory information to deduce scum role. It did not turn out to be as good as i thougth. I still stand by the fact that we are going to heavily analyse nigth actions in order to win this game.

Now back to scum hunt.

Reffalen



I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel.

So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ?

On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote:


I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me.

Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful.

On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote:


If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with.

On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote:


People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff.

As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid.

Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...).

Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor

So I claim townie

On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote:


Angelic Acolyte (x1)

You are still in training to be angelic warrior, so you take great care in everything you do. But should the need arise, you are ready to do what you must. Every night, you may target a player to stalk. When you do so, choose one of: demon, corrupted town, or town with dark powers. If your target matches your choice, that player will be killed. If the Angel of Death has been eliminated, you may (instead of stalking,) target a player to slay. That player will be killed. You win with the angels. You may communicate outside of the thread with your angelic teammates, who are:

On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal.

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Bluelightz
Bluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler + Read the top.
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Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis.
Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game.

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Refallen
What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town.+ Show Spoiler +Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff.
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Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown?
The rest of the post is...
"fluff"
"I don't have a lynch target"
"I Want palmar to start posting"
+ Show Spoiler + This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull.
Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him.

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xsksc
xsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to.

On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing.
Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.+ Show Spoiler +
This is just fearmongering.

@Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum.

And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse.

On January 10 2012 07:26 risk.nuke wrote:
Blazing please use spoiler tags to organise your huge posts

On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nuke

He has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from,





Now,

Everything else in his filter is either

a. one liner
b. responding to a case against him
c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah

So, he isn't contributing in any way

I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing.

On January 09 2012 01:20 Bluelightz wrote:
Im gonna sleep now gyus, also I want to notify you that the period's I will be available will be shorter because School! is starting

On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nuke

He has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from,





Now,

Everything else in his filter is either

a. one liner
b. responding to a case against him
c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah

So, he isn't contributing in any way

I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing.

On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.

##Vote: Errandor

On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch.

RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town.

The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits.

risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life.

With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch.

##Vote: risk.nuke

On January 07 2012 09:12 Grackaroni wrote:
@HoD + Show Spoiler +

As for Palmar I don't think the meta can conclude that he is scum and he seems much more willing to contribute than errandor.
palmar could be our best scumhunter and I don't think a day1 meta read should be enough to risk killing one of our best players
Besides people are downplaying his scum play so somebody explain to me why people keep saying that it will be scary if Palmar is scum?


I'm going to assume that your issue is the sheeping and not that the case is built off of meta because you are voting for Errandor because of activity meta while criticizing other people for doing the same thing to you.

On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.

##Vote: Errandor

On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch.

RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town.

The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits.

risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life.

With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch.

##Vote: risk.nuke

On January 13 2012 10:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it was in response to Zephirdd's theory about him.
RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend

On January 07 2012 10:04 Grackaroni wrote:
Wiggles seems confident in his vote and I sincerely believe that he thinks Palmar is scum.
In fact Wiggles' case has been extremely helpful because it was what prompted Palmar to get into this game, even if it was originally just so he could call wiggles bad.


This I don't really agree with, I would be perfectly fine with lynching Palmar later in the game I just don't think lynching a veteran with strong town play based off of meta is a good idea. people seem to feel that his scum play is really weak so why not give him a chance, give him another day to catch some scum or to build a case based less on meta that he is normally more active and aggressive as town. The bottom line is that I think Wiggles is sincerely convinced that Palmar is scummy and that this is not a scum ploy. Wiggles play looks pro town to me.

But as for Jackal he seems less convinced that Palmar is actually scum, it looks more like he just dislikes him.


Why do you always attack Palmar? He is not the best vote for today.

On January 08 2012 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
@BH/Layabout
FFS, they are probably both going to flip scum, we just need to avoid a no-lynch.
Right I think you guys just want to be the person able to brag about finding scum.

On January 08 2012 11:07 Spaackle wrote:
So, the experienced player obviously know how to play town (duh, they're experienced). They know how to be as helpful to the town as possible. Taking from Ver's guide(?) to town play:Link here (clicky)

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The obvious way to analyze the situation would be to take the current players in suspicion and see if they are trying to achieve the above goals.:

risk.nuke: Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- I hate to make a meta argument, but I feel like it's necessary here. When I played with risk in Election, he spent much of Day 1 jabbing at other players and trying to squeeze info out of them. I feel like he isn't doing this so much now. Many of his posts have been reactions to the poking of others, and he's offered little analysis of his own. His play in this regard doesn't look very towney to me.

2) Create an atmosphere -- This goal is linked with the previous one. The best atmosphere for town is one where they can get as much information as possible. I feel like risk is falling short here too. He hasn't been offering many points for discussion, and his reactionary posting has most other townies snapping at him.

3) Figure out plans -- This is a tough one. There really haven't been any plans put forth by anyone, just some bandwagons and a lot of finger pointing. risk has been doing just about as much of this as everyone else.

Risk's play is looking a bit scummy to me. He hasn't been offering much solid analysis, and he fans the flames of the arguments in the thread. We definitely need to pressure him some more tomorrow.

More coming soon!

On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:
Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.

On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote:
I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:

##vote RebirthOfLegend

On January 11 2012 15:51 Spaackle wrote:
So, after reading through Tyrran's thread, he's starring to look pretty scummy to me. He's posted much less than most others in this game, and his posts are long and full of fluff.  He seems to spend a lot of time trying to tell other players how to play when he could be giving analysis or answering questions.  He also contradicts himself a few times.

Posts that really stand out to me:  

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These posts are a glaring contradictions to each other.  Tyrran points out several large flaws in RoL's plan.  However, when RoL clears up the color claim issue, suddenly these flaws aren't so bad anymore.  To me this represents a bit of wishy-washiness on Tyrran's part.  He's very opposed to RoL's plan one minute, then thinks it's not too bad the next.  There's Also this bit:

By we, does Tyrran mean town?  Or is there some special we only him and RoL know about? 

This post caught my eye too: 

this is one of theposts that I really think paints Tyrran as a scum.  He starts by congratulating the DH for the kill, then starts listing possibilities.  His possibilities state what could have happened, but Tyrran doesnt really ever state what he thinks happened.  Just "well maybe this or that." This noncommittal post also really highlights just how wishy-washy Tyrran has been this whole game. 

Tyrran, wha do you have to say for yourself?

On January 14 2012 10:31 Grackaroni wrote:
BL, why are you considering voting before even reading the cases?

On January 14 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:
Current Vote Count:
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Vote HarbingerOfDoom

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:



So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.

On January 14 2012 01:01 Bluelightz wrote:

First,



Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points




Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum





"People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!"

so basically sheeping




Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious.

He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL.

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With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk?


Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason)

Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now.

Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points




Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum





"People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!"

so basically sheeping




Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious.

He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL.

+ Show Spoiler +

With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk?


Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason)

Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now.

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:



So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:



So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:



So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.

On January 07 2012 01:34 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay about palmar/Wiggles:

Wiggles filters contains a few "ARGH TEXT ALL OVER" posts but the only one with actual content is the case on Palmar. The rest are just generic play tips, setup talk and then a follow post to his case on Palmar.
About his case (clicky):
His case on Palmar is essentiel useless for me because it's all based on meta. He basicly ask me to trust him and vote on palmar because he gets a different feeling from palmar then he usually does.

When i read palmars defence the case just fall apart. Wiggles either lied on purpose or didn't read the thread/palmars filter. Considering Palmar had 1½ page of filter at the point of the case it would be hard to miss something that obvious. I mean it was in a post by itself and he pointed out the whole conversation with Bluelightz which that post was a part of.


In Palmars filter i fail to find anything that i would really find scummy. Again I can't take a meta-plastic-bag over his head so i just look at the actual content. He discusses and press bluelightz to give an answer that isn't evasive. I don't find anything that screams town to me either.

Out of the two i would rather see Wiggles hang as of now. One of the main points of Palmars case on Wiggles is that Wiggles is better then making such a case on Palmar (meta - i don't know), however the points about intentionally lying however are spot on and very discriminating for wiggles.

On January 16 2012 19:33 Refallen wrote:
Where'd you get the idea that they thought syllo was the seer? I'm pretty sure syllo was vanilla town tbh.

On January 06 2012 04:23 Blazinghand wrote:
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If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO.

-snip-

On December 28 2011 15:41 ZBot wrote:
Blazinghand
Bluelightz
Dirkzor
Grackaroni
HarbingerOfDoom
layabout
Refallen
Tyrran
Zephirdd

On January 18 2012 09:48 ZBot wrote:Jackal58, the Angelic Observer was lynched Day 4!

On January 06 2012 00:14 Palmar wrote:


Reading the thread "carefully" has become much easier since the filter button. What strikes me as odd in it is that he managed to apparently read the filter of 17 people, and he didn't find one scum in them. he found 14 null tells, with 3 people in layabout and wiggles and of course blazinghand who seem to be his strongest townread.

If his list actually had any content in it I would consider it a pro-town move, but really, when you break it down, all he said is he has a slight town read on wiggles and layabout, and an even slighter townread on a few others. It has no conclusions at all.

Now, I know this doesn't apply because of BL's low experience, but do you normally think that someone hopping into the thread, calling his main accuser town, and saying almost everyone else is a null-read is something a townie would do?

I'm starting to think we should lynch BL.

On January 21 2012 10:17 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay we have 3 confirmed town

Me
Refallen
HoD

Why?

First, I got cleansed. Next, I got the "Dark" read on Refallen.

I fully think the grackster is the last angel

On January 19 2012 21:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Zephirdd looks pretty townie to me so it has to be Dirkzor/Bluelightz.

On January 05 2012 20:21 Palmar wrote:

between risk.nuke and Grackaroni, I'd much rather have a look at Grack, since I'm actually willing to wait for risk's initial contribution.

I would actually have no problem with lynching people like RoL or Jackal day 1.

On December 06 2011 10:09 ElectricBlack wrote:


And I think you're the last scum

That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy.

Game solved. Next one?

On January 21 2012 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Just imagine if Palm had been town this game.

On January 23 2012 07:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I read about 1-2 filters, and around 15-20 pages of the game.

On February 01 2012 13:25 Zona wrote:
Final (easy?) bonus question for everyone:
The angels and demons call the setting in which this game took place the Hearth. What do the humans call it?