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This seems fairly simple then.
Refallen kills whoever he deem the most scummy of myself, grack or Zephirdd and we lynch one of the two left standing. If angel isn't dead by then, its the last remaining who is the angel (or if Refallens target didn't die, he is the angel)
This plan can only fall apart if BH sense on Bluelightz come back "Not dark".
Since i've read zephirdd's filter and didn't found him particularly scummy, and i've read the first few pages of Grack's filter where some things looked weird I think Grack is the last Angel. Will finish gracks filter and point out what i stumpled upon later.
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Grack is the last angel.
After RoL mentioned his plan Grack didn't post until 9 hours later:
On January 09 2012 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like there's a lot of holes in this plan.
It's bad when 1 scum player claims chaneller, It's bad if scum players just claim VT.
Just stick to analysis, Zona put in roles to prevent mass roleclaims from being a good strategy.
This was after atleast 6 other had already said it was a bad plan. His reasons for rejecting the plan also seems rather weird. The time between RoL plan and his post are the time Grack normally post si believe he was actively lurking to see how town recieved the plan. Note that Jackal never once mentioned the plan.
After RoL was lynched ???:
On January 15 2012 07:23 Grackaroni wrote:
RoL is scum but I don't understand why everybody assumes Angel over demon. is it because of the way he's been interacting with HoD?
Grack have stated several times that he think RoL is scummy but each time he have pushed someone else in an attempt to move focus to another:
On January 13 2012 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave
I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations.
@Jackal
Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool. I think that RoL is scummy, and I've already explained a bit on him earlier. He is putting a lot of time into the game but not in scumhunting but instead in making an anti-town plan. Spaackle is also probably scum. Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:Palmar:Filter (clicky)1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though. 2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects. 3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans. Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him. His way of coming to the conclusion that Palmar is town looks suspect to me. He says he hasn't been very reactionary but Palmar only showed up when a case was made against him by Wiggles. His pressure on bluelightz was just a way of pretending to be participating. I just don't know how you could confidently jump to the conclusion that Palmar is town from the information he was giving. He also shows a lot of wishy-washyness during the RoL lynch. And of course he is lurking.
Note the short timespan between the posts
On January 13 2012 10:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it was in response to Zephirdd's theory about him.
RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend
On January 14 2012 00:18 Grackaroni wrote:I don't think BH is nearly as pro-town as people think he is. Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough? Erandorr has done nothing this game that warrants me giving him the "I'll rather no-lynch than lynch a townie" treatment, however, despite risk's last effort, do you not think he overreacted to you calling him out? Claiming that plan that literally was nothing but "I'm gonna post and see what people say", do you think he is honestly under the impression that this "plan" was so pro-town and vital, that it justifies attacking someone? I actually thought risk.nuke was decent at the game. But to answer your question, I'll be around for another half an hour or so, and there is no reason to protect erandorr. Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 09:02 Blazinghand wrote:On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough? Erandorr has done nothing this game No this is wrong Erandorr has actively come to the thread and hustled us. Why on earth are his actions remotely acceptable There have been times in this game where BH has blatantly not read the thread or is misinterpreting posts. He likes to focus in on people who he feels are useless such as his case for Bluelightz (which only showed that he was anti-town) his case on erandorr (he ignores the meta which only proves that he is inactive and doesn't want to be modkilled) and finally his case on RoL (he's not scumhunting, his plan looks shitty) You are not actually scumhunting, you just lock in on people acting anti-town and tunnel them for the rest of the day to make yourself look good. you grab all their quotes and make a "case" but in reality it actually resembles what bluelightz' cases look like. Your play is legitimately worse than in Student. I am still suspicious of how long it took RoL to start scumhunting but at least he finally started. @BH: why not look into a player more active rather than only focusing on players doing nothing? there's 5 scum to catch.
And Grack last posts basicly saids: I don't give a shit, I've lost already.
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Why not Zephirdd? Stopped reading the thread? Blue is the CT and will (Hopefully) be confirmed after this night phase...
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But you're still leaving out an unconfirmed townie. Its not only if bluelightz is the scum. Any scum would benefit from one less confirmed townie...
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hahahaha...
Picture HoD saying that long part in one breath... nearly running out but finishing anyway... Take a deep breath and then just angrily say: "Or I'm just the goddamn sage" :D
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Palmar was demon amirite?
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Oh... Yeah right... I'm tired  Which is my queue to go to bed...
Refallen you can still change your mind and kill grack instead. But if you don't GL hitting Angel next time!
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Well... I think its quite clear who i think the last angel is and why. Grack is angel.
I read Zephirdd as town.
It might be bluelightz but hopefully you can get him confirmed...
I've never actually waited for my own death... It's a strange feeling =)
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I took the time to unspoiler it all... What an unfriendly comment in the end =(
+ Show Spoiler +That many spioilers fucked up the site :D
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GG Everyone!
Thanks for hosting Zona!
My reads was completely wrong the entire game O_o WTB scumhunting skills! At least I was right about grack in the end but that was fairly obvious :D
Layabout played really well, i think. I saw him as town for a long time (too long!).
Any comments about my play are welcomed... here to learn =)
The Cwave vote thingy was aweful... that much I know.
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On January 22 2012 10:48 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:02 Refallen wrote:
I really think conceal should have been used on the risk.nuke lynch.
My shots were bad. This was the first time I'm playing as any vig role. Is there any tips or rule of thumbs I should know for vig shots?
Next, I felt like the demons really outted themselves by continuing to push HoD after he was pretty much nigh confirmed sage. I pointed this out and suddenly Tyrran and layabout (and Zeph and Dirk, wtf?) were on me, which made me think that these 4 were scum. I don't know how Zeph/Dirk thought that HoD was still unconfirmed as the sage.
Basically, "twisted" is too convenient, and there were some things that would make sense if HoD was an Angel. However let's say my mind is retarded, and loves conspiration theories. I mean, I fucking thought Radfield was scum on XLVIII. How retarded is that? It's easy to say that post-game, but ingame my mind just rolls around stupidly.
I feel we are kinda the same zephirdd... My mind is screwing me over big time and I see conspiracies everywhere :D Which is also why i changed my stance on you in the end efter i re-read your filter. You behaved exactly like i would have done...
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Thanks for the writeup Zona. And thanks for hosting.
About the PM votes and title of the PM's. I don't think its a problem. People are just used to voting via the thread (or thread made for voting) and then have to get used to PM'ing votes. The way it was used here and is used in Hammer mafia is something i really like. You get fast response on your (night)action and the end of day post are up very fast.
The only thing I would like was timestamps on the votes and devotes? Don't know if that would change any game mechanics though.
I hope that I'm in the B catagory of players and thats what I try to be.
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