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I think RoL is a stupid lynch. I think it was syllo who wrote that you have to consider why a person suggest a plan. I honestly believe that RoL think it is a good plan and that is why he is fighting for it so much. The plan is well thought out and well delivered. RoL seems to think the blues are dispossable for 4 confirmed townies leaving us with a 5/13 scum scenario instead of 5/17. I disagree and would rather go 5/17 with blue support.
I agree that he was inactive the first day serving us excuses, but thats about all he have done wrong if you disregard his plan and defence thereof.
I (still) think risk is a good lynch. I wanted him dead yesterday and i want him dead now. His defensive spirit does seems to have kicked in here on day 2 which puts him in good light, but the fact that during day 1 he basicly gave up makes it look like an act. He does have a point that no one have made a case against him since layabout's day1 (correct me if i have missed something)
Tyrran is the one I want to lynch most at the moment. I think he is on palmars team due to this:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 23:32 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 22:23 Palmar wrote:
yo
##Signup
If I get the angel with a wraithcannon, I'll make syllo disappear n1. that's a promise. Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 21:07 syllogism wrote:
We should probably lynch palmar today, he appears to be some sort of scum and hating his life right now I dunno what's going on between these two, but we should just ignore this for now. On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:
I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.
I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me. Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful.
He is defending palmar when there is no real reason to defend him. The first post compares a post pre-game to a post made in-game. In both posts he defends Palmar without really appearing to defend him.
He later changes his opinion on palmar. and in the same post call jackal scum and votes for erandorr. Combine this with palmars change of opinion on Wiggles a few hours earlier it appears suspicious. I don't think its unlikely that demonteam realized that palmar will get lynched/killed at some point soon. Palmar gives up lynching wiggles (no support at that time) and his teammates start bussing him.
In the end I'll just quote how Tyrran have taken no stance on anybody he have written a case on. Note: These quotes are cut, but they are all the last part of Posts by Tyrran.
So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ? You seems to hold a grudge against him because he called you fishy early day 1. Why do you focus so much on him, and not on Blazinghand who actually voted against you ?
On the other hand, i would also like to see you post more Cwave. You seems to have an excel file where you write your read on us. Tell me, who do you think we should lynch today, why ? Cwave, you are someone who seems towns, but in reality you did not help much at all until now. While you migth be a timid town, I also think it is likely you are scum player. Please answer this : Is there anyone you really think is scum ? Someone you would be fine pushing for lynch ? Who ? Why ? You seem to spend a lot of time analysing people. Please prove us that you are town by trying to get scummy people lynched.
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Why end the day? No reason not to use the next 24 hours to discuss.
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We can discuss other things then the actual lynch target. RoL's allignment seems in question at the moment.
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On January 11 2012 21:30 Cwave wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Vote count for the Day 2 Lynch.
With 16 alive, 9 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
risk.nuke (7): Bluelightz, Refallen, -Bluelightz, syllogism, Bluelightz, Zephirdd, RebirthOfLeGenD, Grackaroni, Blazinghand
RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Blazinghand, Mr. Wiggles, Zephirdd, Spaackle, Cwave, -Zephirdd, -Spaackle, -Blazinghand
Tyrran (1): HarbingerOfDoom
Dirkzor (1): Jackal58
Cwave (0): Dirkzor, -Dirkzor
The Day 2 deadline is at January 12 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 12:44:13 from now.)Last edit: 2012-01-11 21:15:47
Dirkzor
layabout
TyrranLayabout made it clear he wants to vote on Risk, how about Dirkzor/Tyrran? Who is your best lynch target as of today?
You stopped reading the thread? Maybe go re-read...
Seems like i forgot to vote when i last posted.
##Vote tyrran
I will come back before deadline and hammer Risk if needed but I still feel that Tyrran is a better lynch.
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Syllo I don't think its a bad assumption that it was still you that was targeted by the AoD day 1. You still had palmar on your radar + labeled as one of the better players.
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Yeah you're right. Him flipping demon would do nothing about angels KP usage. =/ But my other point is still valid. You are considered a good player and would be a good night 1 kill for any scum faction if you are town/other scum team.
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I find it funny that you have yet to spell my name (or any part thereof) correct 
I also think that whatever I say or do for the rest of this game I won't convince you that I am not scum.
I don't think that Syllo is scum based on his filter but it has crossed my mind. Every time I come to a reason why he might be scum i re-think and find that scenario unlikely.
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Also, your logic is very weird Jackal. Why would i vote Risk the entire day 1 and not erandorr if risk was my scum mate? So your logic that I today did not vote for risk because we are team mates is - again - weird.
At the time i Voted i did not know that risk had 9 votes. I voted Tyrran due to my post on the 3 targets most likely to get lynched today: RoL, Tyrran and Risk
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On January 12 2012 04:56 syllogism wrote:And yes, he was completely disinterested in the lynch on day 2. That seemed particularly damning; I even had to ask him 3 times until I got his opinion on Tyrran out of him and even then the answer was Show nested quote +I don't think I'm willing to lynch him just yet. But that could change, I'm not going to say I can't be talked into lynching him so he can just lurk the entire day safely.
That Risk wrote that made him less suspicious in my book then Tyrrans "Yes risk is scum lets lynch him" post. Tyrran just wanted another one to be lynched while risk actually took a stance. A stance that was also contradicting to the generel feeling in the thread. That is to me more townie then what Tyrran did.
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On January 12 2012 05:25 Tyrran wrote:
@Dizkor : People makes a case of me being inactive and not interested and you see me scum while refering to a post where i say who i think we should lynch. That makes a lot of sense.
The only time you have taken a difinitive stance on anybody was when you voted on Erandorr, and even then it was a mishmash of thought on 3 different people. The fact that the vote ended on Erandorr seemed random. All other posts you have made on people have ended with no conclusion and a lot of questions.
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On January 12 2012 19:32 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm back now!
(no post in between)
On January 13 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna sleep now guys gonna make a case on someone when i get back from school
Wat?
We don't need to know when you are here or not. We need you to contribute when you are here.
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Blazinghand, I think your case is bad. We can agree that RoL have been useless but so have others. The only real argument you have is that he proposed his plan deliberatly to hurt town which I find unlikely.
His reasons for not pushing the plan now is actually quite pro-town in my book since it would just hinder other discussion. And he may have different ways of pushing his case then posting the same thing over and over *cough* BH *cough*.
Either way, I have written it before and I'll do so again. I think RoL is a bad lynch. I would like to see him scumhunt soon though.
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Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed)
About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.
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On January 13 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed) Um, look dude the issue is that chance are the AoD's gonna do a masked kill tonight, right? After a masked kill RoL's plan no longer works. This is his last chance to push it. Where has he been?
You kinda pointed out that the time to roleclaim was now during the night. What i meant was that it doesn't matter if we roleclaimed on day 2 or night 2. The difference is that it would have been better to roleclaim day 2 so we had an extra lynch. And he stopped pushing for the plan when almost everyone said it was a bad idea.
Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.
The issue here is that he spent 3 days thinking of his plan and doing nothing, and claims he's solved the setup, when he hasn't, and it's not even the best version of his plan. I didn't spend 3 days thinking of his plan and that's a fairly obvious flaw in it. And if his plan comes off in a half-banked manner like it did this time? And a couple VTs claim, but no blues? scumteam gets hella info. Doesn't that seem like a porblem for you?
Yeah it is a problem if only VT claimed. That would have been bad. But people aren't stupid, so unless town agreed-ish to do this no one would claim unless they were/are morons. Risk claimed, and i think he did so partly for the reason he wrote and partly because he know if was a potential lynch target. Everyone else would not have claimed unless town agreed to do so. So yes the idea to make VT claim was faulty by it self, but the logic i just pointed out would have been made by anyone with half a brain. So thats why i think its unlikely he proposed his plan to deliberatly pull out VT's.
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Jackal.. Have you forgotten me? I was so used to your devoted attention!
Assuming Wiggles was town, and i assume that, it puts more pressure on RoL. That was the last person that Wiggles talked about (and attacking me about). Combine that with a wall-of-text case that is actually not very big in terms of content I see RoL as more scummy then before he started scumhunting. His case is just not good, its just long so it appears to be good/solid. Long is not always better.
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Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...
The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.
RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.
HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:
P.S. RoL is a good shot for the Demon-hunter right now, as well as the Acolyte (If he's not on your team, that is).
So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.
So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.
What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?
My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.
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I'm reading... And doing the same as syllo.
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I'm wondering why Zephirdd is constanly saying that he don't trust his own reads and at the same time is 100% sure that spaackle is scum...
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Assuming:
- RoL is channeler (= town)
Then we can assume that he thought his plan was good and would work.
Then why claim VT at the end of his plan? He could just erh.. not claim and wait until town agreed to do the plan then claim channeler.
I think its a last ditch effort to derail the lynch...
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