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First, before I explain why I want to admit I'm playing really bad Next, before reading this read previous cases on him By: layabout On January 06 2012 03:02 layabout wrote: I would lynch/shoot/violently murder Grackaroni if i had to kill someone now at the beginning he talks about hypotheticals involving roles, serveral players did this and it was largely irrelevant and so cannot really be used in analysis. he then wrote very confusing to be pushing a lynch and saying that a lynch was safe (which implies the existence of reasons why the case is safe but does not offer them) if we paraphrase then including this last bit results in "i think we should lynch a player that i do not think i will be able to get a good read on" lynch to kill scum not to get information here grack suggests using towns KP on a player he doesn't think he can read who hasn't posted more than a couple of lines by this point in the game. It has also already been explained why he shouldn't have suggested BL would be useless The above post seems a lot more reasonable if there are scum goals behind it. it should be self evident this is why this is so, but i will say that most of those statements don't make sense if grack is town. he (kind of) tries to take credit for pressuring BL and takes the blame for "BH taking shit for him" I am pretty sure BH "taking shit" was not because of grack and that grack is possibly trying to "buddy" up with BH and paint himself in a good light for taking blame. + Show Spoiler + this is't particularly incriminating but reading that sentence did bug me There isn't much to analyse but he is a reddest shade of grey in my eyes On January 06 2012 05:26 layabout wrote: Grackaroni: In this post his writes a pile of nothing to call HoD scum. my comments have been italicised Here, he decides that the person that he thinks should die right now, which is equivalent to his best lynch target for now is not HoD but Bluelightz Says he would lynch bluelightz mostly because "there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something" which is an awful reason to kill a player. votes that we lynch and kill a player other than the player he said he would most like to kill 2minutes earlier this is a glaring contradiction. I cannot understand why he would post such a thing as town. a universe in which those actions make sense would be a universe that sucks big ol' hairy BearBollocks. It seems that he could have decided to vote because Blazinghand told him to do something and he responded by voting, but all i can see is weak/barely even reasoning behind him thinking HoD is scum and nothing of worth to justify a vote. I do not think we should let players vote for such bad reasons. I think the vote is scummy. Does anybody thing his defence in this post is adequate? ( i do not ) So, now i'm going to analyze his post's, also this is long so I have it spoilered + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 01:22 Grackaroni wrote: Let's get started. Since it's instant majority lynch I think we should wait until near the end to vote or at least be aware of how many votes a player has on him before voting. We want the days to last as long as possible so we might as well use all the time that we are given instead of hammering the first scummy person we see. It would be smarter if the Town Channeler banishes people who are likely to be hit n1 instead of aiming to roleblock an angel unless he's very confident about a read. Obviously we want to lynch an angel today to try to reduce the KP but I'm not sure that there is anyway we can tell the difference between demons and angels, at least until their teammates have flipped. Probably later in the game we will have to focus on lynching demons over angels when they've corrupted several townies but We'll talk about that if it comes to that. In this one, he discusses what we should do, and also what the channeler should do, lastly what he think should be doing On January 05 2012 01:37 Grackaroni wrote: For this situation the most important fact is the person's status. If it's a veteran who had a high likelihood of being attacked n1 then he should be checked before lynched. If it is somebody who you wouldn't expect to be attacked lynch him. Sure it's possible that the angel could hold back his shot but it's unlikely for them to do so since they would rather kill the target of their choice than let a random player get lynched(which could even end up as one of their own.) Saying his opinions on what he thinks the Town Blues should do On January 05 2012 02:15 Grackaroni wrote: Hey BH, we meet again  Do you think that Dirkzor would be a good day1 lynch or did you just vote him to check Zbot? Asking BH about why did he vote Dirkzor, there's nothing that here that can shine his alignment though On January 05 2012 02:59 Grackaroni wrote: As you already mentioned the game only started 10 hours ago so I'm sure people would post if they could. If we can't be sure that a player is an angel/demon I think the safe lynch is bluelightz. His play in Student mafia was weak and so far this game he has posted nothing but one liners. Hopefully he will have solid content when he returns but I am not too optimistic. I just don't think I will get a good read on him and he's not somebody I would want at lylo, the only downside to lynching him is that it may not give us as much information as many other lynches. Perhaps he would be a good n1 target for the town demon hunter? His opinions of me. On January 05 2012 03:10 Grackaroni wrote: What I'm saying is that even though I have a null read on him (he hasn't posted anything of value yet) he's not somebody that I would expect much from and could be a liability to the town later in the game. I don't think I'll get a solid read on him as I wasn't able to in student either and he's not somebody I would want in Lylo. The issue is that the last game I played in the town pretty much unanimously agreed that one player was acting scummy and he flipped town leaving the town basically as clueless on day 2 as we were day1. He seems like a solid lynch to me but if he flips town We'll be left with less information than I'd like. I basically answered my question from the end of my last post, he's a good demon hunter target (not like the angels will kill him for us) but maybe not the best for a lynch. Okay, i'll explain the connection of this post with another On January 05 2012 03:21 Grackaroni wrote: I guess you're right there, if he is a demon they could be saved by the transport and if he is an angel he wouldn't die. If he is sent to purgatory I would assume it was done by demons but their intentions are unknown, maybe they want to save him maybe they want to force a mislynch. Opinions on what he thinks what our blues should do. On January 05 2012 08:26 Grackaroni wrote: KK I'm back. I suggested the Bluelightz lynch and it looks like BH took a lot of shit because of me. Bluelightz was a null read and somebody I felt would be anti-town no matter what allignment he is. In this way it is similar to a lurker/inactive lynch, it's a null read but posting one liners can be just as bad for town as lurking. He will be my 2nd choice for lynch If I can't find a target I believe is scummy I will vote for him instead of a lurker lynch. Syllogism was right, In Student Mafia he was a replacement and scum, this is not enough information for me to know that he won't be helpful to town but that was the impression I got from him and he has not done anything to change it thus far. (BH seemed to have gotten the same impression) As for lurkers I'm a bit disturbed that Errandor is the only person getting called out. I have not seen a post from Errandor or RoL and Palmar knows the game started but only posted From what I gather though this is standard for Palmar. These players are veterans so I hope that they will contribute to the game. Luckily the day is 72 hours so we still have plenty of time left. Here again is his opinion's on Me, lurkers,and Palmar On January 05 2012 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: I already explained this though he is my 2nd choice for a lynch over a lurker lynch. Both styles of play are anti-town but we should be lynching scum not just people who are being anti-town. Your case on BL does not prove that he is scum it just says that his actions are anti-town. On January 05 2012 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: I already explained this though he is my 2nd choice for a lynch over a lurker lynch. Both styles of play are anti-town but we should be lynching scum not just people who are being anti-town. Your case on BL does not prove that he is scum it just says that his actions are anti-town. Explaining that I am his 2nd choice for lynching over a lurker. On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. Okay now, in the other post he said that he would rather lynch Me, but here he say's now he would rather lynch HoD On January 06 2012 04:18 Grackaroni wrote: Defense in bold I don't see much of a difference between my reasoning and BH's reasoning as much as he'd like to deny it. BH took all of his quotes and they only point to him being a bad player not scum. He even goes as far as to say that he wouldn't mind if he is town. His defense to layabout's case On January 06 2012 04:24 Grackaroni wrote: As for the Palmar question I would shoot Bluelightz because he could easily be mafia, there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something. However the lynch is used for Information as well as killing scum, it wouldn't give the most information but more than I previously thought as a lot of people seem split on whether he is scum or not. Question for Syllogism, Why do you dislike lynching BlueLightz? Is it because you have gotten a town read on him, (if yes plz do share), or was it just because of the way I presented his lynch. And again, here he says he now would like to lynch me. First he says that he would lynch me then HoD then he wants to lynch me again. On January 06 2012 04:26 Grackaroni wrote: fine. ##Vote: HarbingerofDoom But with that I am off, Will be back in a few hours though, I promise Now, to me this vote feel's forced. On January 06 2012 08:25 Grackaroni wrote: @Layabout. I think what you don't understand is that I see a difference between a day1 lynch and a day vig. I know perfectly well that Bluelightz is being anti-town but having him as a lynch target won't make anybody take a stand on their vote. Everyone can agree that he is being anti-town and then if he flips town all we will gain from it is BH saying "Damn I'm so pissed off that this player who I completely expected to play well has performed poorly, guess it's his fault." i would avoid this problem with a day vig shot. @BH Do you really hold him up to the same standards as other players that you would be pissed off if he flips town? If people are going to lynch somebody who I don't think is scum and If I can't find a scum player I will vote Bluelightz, he is simply my backup lynch. (I think he has a greater chance of flipping scum than any random lurker) His play is anti town but that doesn't mean he is scum. You're right that I should be shooting the person I vote for but the choice to vote wasn't really thought out. i'm not confident that HoD is scum but I do have my suspicions. The vote was a little bit based off of emotions because I am tired of BH's "be a man and vote" rants. Nevertheless it's not the end of the world as my vote is not locked in stone by any means and I still have more time to look into HoD. (or anyone else for that matter) Here he responds to questions and who he will vote(me) if he cannot find anyone more scummier than me(to him) On January 06 2012 09:06 Grackaroni wrote: That's basically one of the reasons I'm suspicious. You post a lot at the start and then when scumhunting begins you disappear, not that you didn't scumhunt at the start. The only meta I got from you was that you seemed like somebody who posted a lot and spent a lot of time scumhunting in that game. I should have looked into more recent games but what's wrong with letting me think that of you? the first part of your quote strikes me the wrong way because I get the feeling that you just wanted to downplay my abilities, you don't care if I accuse you and think my opinion should be worth less than a veteran like syllogism. You've done nothing to change my mind, the only person you call scummy is me and your reasoning is that you think my case against you is shitty + you add in my opinion of bluelightz which I don't think you would have even mentioned if I didn't accuse you. Next you make some posts about people lurking and leave. You haven't been scumhunting but you keep giving me reasons to believe that you have lots of time to do so : [previous game with lots of scumhunting and posting, early signup, post a lot on strategies at the start of the game (early to find out it started too) quick to see my post and has time to defend yourself] You're definitely holding back in your posting. Now, here he is comparing HoD in Newbie Mini and here, nothing shines his aligment here though. Now, wishy-wahsyness(like me) isn't really like himself in Student Mafia, In Student he was Direct and gave no second thought when he was voting on anyone. So, in conclusion FoS: Grackaroni | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote: So who would you lynch Bluelightz? On January 05 2012 22:24 Palmar wrote: So consider this scenario. You are now a day-vigilante, if you kill a townie, you will lose the game for town immediately, so you have to shoot scum, everything is on the line. You HAVE to hit scum with the information you have now. Would you shoot RoL? On January 06 2012 00:04 Palmar wrote: I created the hypothetical because I find it very interesting that Bluelight seems to think it's not one and the same question. I think in almost every situation you'd want to lynch and shoot the same person, because every lynch should always be used on the person most likely to flip scum. On January 06 2012 00:21 Palmar wrote: Wait, didn't you just read everyone's filter? What's there to re-evaluate? Do you not like your conclusion of everyone being null? On January 06 2012 00:55 Palmar wrote: Alright, so at gunpoint, your highest possibility of flipping scum is RoL, based on the fact that he has not posted. That's very... interesting. You have little enough faith in your actual reads that you would risk a game to kill off someone who you have nothing to determine his alignment on. | ||
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On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @Bluelightz: You had suspicion on you early in the game, but after that it's felt like you've disappeared. What are your thoughts right now? Who do you want to lynch? Right now, I am suspicious of Grackaroni due to his Wishy-washyness with his reads.I think that since there's no real candidate for lynching I am fine with lynching a lurker, but if a solid case does pop up i'm fine with switching over I don't have suspicions on Palmar/you after Palmar's defense though. | ||
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First, before this I am still supicious of RoL, i am also suspicious of Grackaroni. First, his post's On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote: The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now. The biggest question for me right now is this: Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe? Filler. On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote: Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow. Says, he will contribute On January 07 2012 00:45 Erandorr wrote: What would be Wiggles motivation as Scum to go after Palmar with a case like that in a two family setup? Ask's a question to Palmar, nothing shining his alignment here On January 07 2012 01:39 Erandorr wrote: I actually didn't roll scum. I just missed the start and don't seem to find a way into the game. I already stated with my brilliant 1 liner that I sort of dislike a Wiggles lynch and actually would like to lynch Palmar today. I don't quite know what to do with all the other crap that has been posted, since the only person I have a clear Town read on is you (YES IM TRYING TO BUDDY UP) Err, nothing shining alignment. On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote: Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why? Ask's a question. On January 07 2012 02:11 Erandorr wrote: Why do you think Risk is scummiest and not Tyrran/me? If I am not mistaken then Syllos reasons to rather lynch Palmar have very little to do with the arguments Wiggles brought forward. Ya, mistake on my side, sorry. Ask's a question to Dirkzor and admits a mistake, here he like in BH's cases "Hustleing" On January 07 2012 02:58 Erandorr wrote: Shut up WBGs Smurf, I am trying to get into this. Filler -,- Okay, so he say's he will contribute but from his filter Evidently NOT So, this is the reason's I will be voting Erandorr | ||
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Reason why, On January 04 2012 19:45 Tyrran wrote: /in And the game is on. I'll start with some basic guidelines about mafia : * DO NOT BANDWAGON. Please always gives a reason for you vote. More importantly dont vote without thinking about just because 5 other players already voted. * BUILD STRONG CASE WHEN SCUMHUNTING. This game is about convincing other people, not yourself. dont expect people to follow your vote if dont build a strong case. * DEFEND YOURSELF. Even as town, you migth get FoS'ed or have a case build up against you. Please dont go troll mode, dont call everyone dumb, but instead defend yourself and tell us what was going through your mind. This is your best chance of not being lynched. Not following these basic guidelines is what screwed town over in the steamship mafia. Follow them to maximize our chances to win this game. Going to lunch now, I'll post about the specificities of the setup later today. Here, Tyrran talks what a townie should do On January 04 2012 23:27 Tyrran wrote: Okay, first of all, as many people already have stated, the angel of Death should be our first target. Not only does he hold the angel KP, but the main issue for me is that The roles and alignement of his victim is NOT revealed. This does not seem to be the case if the other Angels use the slay ability. Zona, can you confirm that the role and alignement of a player killed using the slay ability, by the Angel acolyte and/or the Angelic observer are revealed? Not knowing the alignement/role of a killed player is devastating for town. Is the demon hunter still alive? Is the seer? is the sage? how many demons remains ? Setting up a stratey with limited information on the blue roles still alive will be pretty hard. The Demons can also conceal a lynch, but they can only do it once a game, so it have a smaller impact. Actually, we can use the banish ability offensively to determine the role of scummy player. If the slay ability is not used one nigth, then the banished (or the transported) player are very likely to be the angel holding the power of the death ray, and they should be priority target for investingation/future banishement. Therefore we can banish one of the player we think is an angel and see if the slay ability is used that nigth. Note that if no corruption happens on even numbered nigths , its harder to conclude because Demons could have tried to corrupt an angel or the sage. Strategy. On January 04 2012 23:32 Tyrran wrote: I dunno what's going on between these two, but we should just ignore this for now. Filler On January 06 2012 03:53 Tyrran wrote: I posted hastiliy from work, and i missed the post just above the Day 1 post. Mea culpa. Im in now. I first posted a message avoiding to avoid us played as bad as town as we did in steamship liquidia. Then I wanted to make a post explaining that information was going to be the key of this game. I added a idea I just had, on how we could use purgatory information to deduce scum role. It did not turn out to be as good as i thougth. I still stand by the fact that we are going to heavily analyse nigth actions in order to win this game. Now back to scum hunt. Reffalen I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel. So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ? His case against refallen On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote: I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me. Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful. Talking about meta On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote: If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with. Responding to HoD's case On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote: People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff. As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid. Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...). Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor Now, here is where I think he's scum, "As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid." ^wat? First, Erandorr is leading at votes but now Tyrran just following rhough with it just listing simple reason's I feel like he is scum when you read his steamship filter, he made cases etc etc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176 so, I'm unvoting Erandorr and voting Tyrran | ||
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So I claim townie On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote: Angelic Acolyte (x1) You are still in training to be angelic warrior, so you take great care in everything you do. But should the need arise, you are ready to do what you must. Every night, you may target a player to stalk. When you do so, choose one of: demon, corrupted town, or town with dark powers. If your target matches your choice, that player will be killed. If the Angel of Death has been eliminated, you may (instead of stalking,) target a player to slay. That player will be killed. You win with the angels. You may communicate outside of the thread with your angelic teammates, who are: | ||
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He has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote: I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal. Bluelightz Bluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote: Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it !Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote: First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers First, I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way. Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example) Also, Here's the list of people I want posting xsksc Cwave risk.nuke Errandor That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker. While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote: At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers. Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game. Refallen What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town.+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote: Finally started! Hype! My first thoughts on the setup; Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote: Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote: Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm. Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep. Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim) With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him. xsksc xsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote: I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing. | ||
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Now, I voted you because you didnt contribute much to the discussion you we're just asking question's and posting one-liners anyway as you said we have 60 hours so that's alot of time for you to contribute. | ||
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