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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 19 2012 10:06 GMT
#2421
Back here I am Corrupted!
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 19 2012 10:07 GMT
#2422
WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED O_O
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 19 2012 10:11 GMT
#2423
who should I sense?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 19 2012 10:31 GMT
#2424
Bluelightz, you are sensing Refallen. I am sensing you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 19 2012 10:32 GMT
#2425
What happened is we dropped the hammer on the last demon.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 19 2012 10:42 GMT
#2426
bahahhahahahahahhahahaahaha The demons got owned so hard lolol
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 10:51 GMT
#2427
This seems fairly simple then.

Refallen kills whoever he deem the most scummy of myself, grack or Zephirdd and we lynch one of the two left standing. If angel isn't dead by then, its the last remaining who is the angel (or if Refallens target didn't die, he is the angel)

This plan can only fall apart if BH sense on Bluelightz come back "Not dark".

Since i've read zephirdd's filter and didn't found him particularly scummy, and i've read the first few pages of Grack's filter where some things looked weird I think Grack is the last Angel. Will finish gracks filter and point out what i stumpled upon later.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 19 2012 11:14 GMT
#2428
So here's who I consider confirmed town:

Refallen for calling his Demon Hunter shots
Blazinghand (Myself) for various things I've done as Corrupted Town, including having my vote moved to Jackal, and sensing Tyrran and him flipping scum.

"confirmed" town:
HoD for claiming and not being counter-claimed, and the likely identity of the masked flips

confirmable as town:
Bluelightz if I sense him tonight and don't wake up dead.

that leaves us with Zeph, Dirk, and Grack as the unconfirmed town.




We can assume the angel will shoot into the confirmed townies, likely hitting me and Refallen first.
It is currently N5. Refallen or I will be dead at the start of D6.

If Refallen shoots:
N5: Refallen shoots an unconfirmed and hits a town, I get killed by the angel to prevent confirmation of bluelightz [5 players left]
D6: we lynch an unconfirmed and he's town. [4 players left]
N6: With 4 players left and the angel killing one of them, Refallen has to shoot the angel or we lose.
With Refallen shooting, we get 3 bites at the apple, 2 from Refallen shooting and 1 from a lynch. If Refallen calls his shots, even on N6 if he hits the angel and the angel kills him, we'll have 2 town players left for the D7 lynch to win.

If Refallen doesn't shoot:
N5: I get killed by the angel to prevent confirmation of Bluelightz [6 players left]
D6: we lynch an unconfirmed and he's town [5 players left]
N6: AoD kills someone [4 players left]
D7: 4 players, we have to lynch properly or lose.
Without refallen shooting, we get 2 bites at the apple, both from lynching.

If Refallen only shoots tonight, and stops shooting:
N5: Refallen shoots an unconfirmed and hits a town, I get killed by the angel to prevent confirmation of bluelightz [5 players left]
D6: we lynched an unconfirmed and he's town [4 players left]
N6: AoD kills one of us [3 players left]
D7: 3 players, we have to lynch the angel or lose.
If Refallen only shoots tonight, we get 3 bites at the apple, two from lynching and one from shooting.



Refallen, please shoot at whoever you think the angel is tonight, and call your shot so that if the angel targets you tonight, we know who the angel is. This will give the town an extra kill this game.


HoD, there's something better you can do with your power than a called illumination on me tonight.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 19 2012 11:20 GMT
#2429
Shooting dirkzor then
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 19 2012 11:25 GMT
#2430
Works for me.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 19 2012 11:46 GMT
#2431
Hm, Actually I think Grack should be our first kill, off hand. I need to read some filters though. We've got plenty of time tonight, so I'm gonna head to bed, and read Grack's filter in the morning to see if my gut feeling is reasonable.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 19 2012 12:04 GMT
#2432
Grack is the next one if bluelightz returns dark to you. And anyway as you said, even if you die we have 3 shots, so bluelightz/grack/dirk and we win. Don't see how we can lose this here.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 19 2012 12:18 GMT
#2433
Zephirdd looks pretty townie to me so it has to be Dirkzor/Bluelightz.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 14:01 GMT
#2434
Grack is the last angel.

After RoL mentioned his plan Grack didn't post until 9 hours later:
On January 09 2012 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like there's a lot of holes in this plan.
It's bad when 1 scum player claims chaneller, It's bad if scum players just claim VT.
Just stick to analysis, Zona put in roles to prevent mass roleclaims from being a good strategy.

This was after atleast 6 other had already said it was a bad plan. His reasons for rejecting the plan also seems rather weird. The time between RoL plan and his post are the time Grack normally post si believe he was actively lurking to see how town recieved the plan. Note that Jackal never once mentioned the plan.

After RoL was lynched ???:

On January 15 2012 07:23 Grackaroni wrote:
RoL is scum but I don't understand why everybody assumes Angel over demon. is it because of the way he's been interacting with HoD?


Grack have stated several times that he think RoL is scummy but each time he have pushed someone else in an attempt to move focus to another:

On January 13 2012 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave
I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations.

@Jackal
Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool.

I think that RoL is scummy, and I've already explained a bit on him earlier. He is putting a lot of time into the game but not in scumhunting but instead in making an anti-town plan.

Spaackle is also probably scum.

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:
Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.

His way of coming to the conclusion that Palmar is town looks suspect to me. He says he hasn't been very reactionary but Palmar only showed up when a case was made against him by Wiggles. His pressure on bluelightz was just a way of pretending to be participating. I just don't know how you could confidently jump to the conclusion that Palmar is town from the information he was giving.
He also shows a lot of wishy-washyness during the RoL lynch.
And of course he is lurking.

Note the short timespan between the posts
On January 13 2012 10:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it was in response to Zephirdd's theory about him.
RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend

On January 14 2012 00:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think BH is nearly as pro-town as people think he is.
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?


Erandorr has done nothing this game that warrants me giving him the "I'll rather no-lynch than lynch a townie" treatment, however, despite risk's last effort, do you not think he overreacted to you calling him out? Claiming that plan that literally was nothing but "I'm gonna post and see what people say", do you think he is honestly under the impression that this "plan" was so pro-town and vital, that it justifies attacking someone?

I actually thought risk.nuke was decent at the game.

But to answer your question, I'll be around for another half an hour or so, and there is no reason to protect erandorr.


Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 09:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?


Erandorr has done nothing this game


No this is wrong Erandorr has actively come to the thread and hustled us. Why on earth are his actions remotely acceptable

There have been times in this game where BH has blatantly not read the thread or is misinterpreting posts.
He likes to focus in on people who he feels are useless such as his case for Bluelightz (which only showed that he was anti-town) his case on erandorr (he ignores the meta which only proves that he is inactive and doesn't want to be modkilled) and finally his case on RoL (he's not scumhunting, his plan looks shitty)
You are not actually scumhunting, you just lock in on people acting anti-town and tunnel them for the rest of the day to make yourself look good. you grab all their quotes and make a "case" but in reality it actually resembles what bluelightz' cases look like.
Your play is legitimately worse than in Student.
I am still suspicious of how long it took RoL to start scumhunting but at least he finally started.
@BH: why not look into a player more active rather than only focusing on players doing nothing? there's 5 scum to catch.


And Grack last posts basicly saids: I don't give a shit, I've lost already.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 19 2012 14:23 GMT
#2435
On January 19 2012 21:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Zephirdd looks pretty townie to me so it has to be Dirkzor/Bluelightz.


Bluelightz looks pretty townie to me so it has to be Grackaroni/Dirkzor. BAM circle complete


TBH I'm having trouble reading Grack's and Dirk's filters and finding Angel connections to them. Dirkzor was attacked by Jackal and he attacked Jackal back a lot. Grack was against RoL's plan and actually pushed against him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&currentpage=97#1927
This post makes me think Dirk is not an Angel - he would at least know the Acolyte thing. Or the Angels were indeed that dumb, but that'd be beyond hilarious.

I just realized something. If Blazinghand dies tonight, there is no way of confirming Bluelightz either. His attack on Jackal could have been a simple buss, and Demons(as well as Town) used that to their advantage.


HOWEVER, HoD. I want you to illuminate Bluelightz tonight. Reason is simple: my mind if wifoming hard over you, and if you illuminate him and he confirms that he was illuminated, we confirmed you both. Yes I know I should be trusting you by now, but my mind is a whirlpool over you atm. And it's not like you have any other use for your move either; Refallen is confirmed DH anyway. Simple workaround over you two.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 19 2012 15:16 GMT
#2436
Sleeping now guys.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 19 2012 16:12 GMT
#2437
On January 19 2012 23:01 Dirkzor wrote:
Grack is the last angel.

After RoL mentioned his plan Grack didn't post until 9 hours later:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like there's a lot of holes in this plan.
It's bad when 1 scum player claims chaneller, It's bad if scum players just claim VT.
Just stick to analysis, Zona put in roles to prevent mass roleclaims from being a good strategy.

This was after atleast 6 other had already said it was a bad plan. His reasons for rejecting the plan also seems rather weird. The time between RoL plan and his post are the time Grack normally post si believe he was actively lurking to see how town recieved the plan. Note that Jackal never once mentioned the plan.

After RoL was lynched ???:

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 07:23 Grackaroni wrote:
RoL is scum but I don't understand why everybody assumes Angel over demon. is it because of the way he's been interacting with HoD?


Grack have stated several times that he think RoL is scummy but each time he have pushed someone else in an attempt to move focus to another:

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave
I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations.

@Jackal
Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool.

I think that RoL is scummy, and I've already explained a bit on him earlier. He is putting a lot of time into the game but not in scumhunting but instead in making an anti-town plan.

Spaackle is also probably scum.

On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:
Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.

His way of coming to the conclusion that Palmar is town looks suspect to me. He says he hasn't been very reactionary but Palmar only showed up when a case was made against him by Wiggles. His pressure on bluelightz was just a way of pretending to be participating. I just don't know how you could confidently jump to the conclusion that Palmar is town from the information he was giving.
He also shows a lot of wishy-washyness during the RoL lynch.
And of course he is lurking.

Note the short timespan between the posts
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 10:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it was in response to Zephirdd's theory about him.
RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 00:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think BH is nearly as pro-town as people think he is.
On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?


Erandorr has done nothing this game that warrants me giving him the "I'll rather no-lynch than lynch a townie" treatment, however, despite risk's last effort, do you not think he overreacted to you calling him out? Claiming that plan that literally was nothing but "I'm gonna post and see what people say", do you think he is honestly under the impression that this "plan" was so pro-town and vital, that it justifies attacking someone?

I actually thought risk.nuke was decent at the game.

But to answer your question, I'll be around for another half an hour or so, and there is no reason to protect erandorr.


On January 08 2012 09:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?


Erandorr has done nothing this game


No this is wrong Erandorr has actively come to the thread and hustled us. Why on earth are his actions remotely acceptable

There have been times in this game where BH has blatantly not read the thread or is misinterpreting posts.
He likes to focus in on people who he feels are useless such as his case for Bluelightz (which only showed that he was anti-town) his case on erandorr (he ignores the meta which only proves that he is inactive and doesn't want to be modkilled) and finally his case on RoL (he's not scumhunting, his plan looks shitty)
You are not actually scumhunting, you just lock in on people acting anti-town and tunnel them for the rest of the day to make yourself look good. you grab all their quotes and make a "case" but in reality it actually resembles what bluelightz' cases look like.
Your play is legitimately worse than in Student.
I am still suspicious of how long it took RoL to start scumhunting but at least he finally started.
@BH: why not look into a player more active rather than only focusing on players doing nothing? there's 5 scum to catch.


And Grack last posts basicly saids: I don't give a shit, I've lost already.

Actually it's more of, "I don't give a shit, I've already won." I'll try to figure out which one of you/bluelightz is an angel but as long as you both get lynched/shot then we win. GG.
Other than that you took a bunch of posts from me attacking RoL and turned it into a theory of me bussing him. I did think RoL was scum that's why I voted for him...
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 16:31 GMT
#2438
Why not Zephirdd? Stopped reading the thread? Blue is the CT and will (Hopefully) be confirmed after this night phase...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 19 2012 17:32 GMT
#2439
If bluelightz was scum and had half a brain BH will die and he won't be confirmed...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 19 2012 17:35 GMT
#2440
As for Zephirdd you're right I can't entirely write off the possibility that he is scum but it's highly unlikely, I see nothing about Zephirdd that points to him being scum.
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