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Blazinghand
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On December 27 2011 13:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:00 Radfield wrote:On December 27 2011 12:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Well as mentioned, blazinghand is one of the two people I'd not like to send on a mission right now so it's a nay for me why not? you said what he said sounds townish and he's open for discussion. I still think he contradicted himself saying (all under the assumption that your group theory is right and you really are town) tha we should send palmar or zona as well because.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 27 2011 13:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and no the fact that you're talking a lot is not the reason I voted nay because I'm talking quite a lot as well and yeah seems like noone is talking at all o.O
you're talking a lot and not contributing much. It sounds to me like you could be slipping messages to your mafia allies here.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 27 2011 13:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:54 Blazinghand wrote:On December 27 2011 13:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and no the fact that you're talking a lot is not the reason I voted nay because I'm talking quite a lot as well and yeah seems like noone is talking at all o.O you're talking a lot and not contributing much. It sounds to me like you could be slipping messages to your mafia allies here. I'm talking a lot without contributing? Most of my posts actually still are about your first big post because I still think you got something wrong there. So yeah I'm critizing you instead of contributing myself but atm noone is really contributing because noone is talking except for the two of us and we're already discussing each other. Nothing more to discuss right now because again. Everyone else posted so little that they're nulls for me.
I think you should try to contribute/post etc to encourage others to do the same. Perhaps the solution to "nobody else has contributed, so the town is having trouble forming reads" isn't "well hey I better not contribute you guys" but rather "hmm... maybe the solution here is to contribute."
Like, that would actually help.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 27 2011 14:06 GreYMisT wrote:
Blazing why are you suspicious of radfield? Do you find his team displeasurable?
I find the fact that it includes me to be excellent. I find the way he has presented a series of arguments, not used them, claiming they were "just to start discussion", then presented a new team WITH NO JUSTIFICATION UNTIL PRESSURED, is scummy. I think something is up. I'm suspicious enough that I'm willing to throw him out and see what the next guy has to offer.
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Blazinghand
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P.S.: although Rad's team has 3 votes, he hasn't voted for it yet, meaning that the next non-Radfield person who votes for it will let him vote for it to make it 5. Think carefully about the way this guy has presented his case and his picks before you vote.
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Blazinghand
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I think the next day team should not inclide anyone from the day one team since one person from the day one team is scum I will auto nay any vote that includes members of the day one team besides myself.it has been obvious to me that ras is scum in the way he presented and argued his team. That being said none of you guys know my aligment so yhe optimal strat for anyone not sent on last night's mission is to vote nay on any team containing members from that.
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote.
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Blazinghand
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Ps i think VE is a fool not a knave but I may revise that opinion.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote. Actually I got to agree with Greymist on the VE matter. Imo there's basicly 2 options for a pro-town-looking post. Either he's trolling and doing crazy shit that might look protown while in reality people should call him out for that stuff. Zhat's what he does when he's scum, because of his meta. At least that's what he did last game. Or he's not trolling and trying to be useful. I don't see him trolling therefor I got to agree with Greymist.
So you're claiming that VE is trying to look town? I literally don't undrstand what you're saying here. Is he not bei g helpful on purpose therefore hes town?
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh I'm a fool? Because I find you suspicious? Please. Prove me wrong instead of insulting me dude.
Um no youre a fool because i didnt make that post close to a deadline... imade that post and the only reason tje dau emded was voting not time. That being said i revising my opi.ion of you from fool to knave
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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
No trickery was intended BH, I simply meant it was one of the last contentful posts before the day ended, not that it was timed close to the end of the day. Just a misunderstanding, that.
Oh really? My explanation there was just a repetition of whT i had previously said. The facr of the matter is youveother ognored or pretended to overlook my previous post, and only now thst your trickery is laid bare for a aecond time do you back down. Spy.
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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of yo being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms. 
Let me refer you to my previous post... which it seems you still have not read. Am i town? Yes. I like teams with me on them and will vote yay on them... unless of course they include obvious sxum like Radfield. I made a read and made a call. It's a vote i stand by.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Man why is it suspicious to make a good read and act on it I ask you
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Blazinghand
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Like imagine the inverse-- i think radfield is scum but i vote yes on a team including him
.. that makes no sense at all. Given my reads and my knowledge i made the right call. I am severely dissapointed that others did not do the same.
That being said, take a look at Radfield's voting pattern. He was trying to set up abquickhammer and didnt justify his team until called out. I would recommend swapping him out for sire tonight for these reasons.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of yo being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms. Let me refer you to my previous post... which it seems you still have not read. Am i town? Yes. I like teams with me on them and will vote yay on them... unless of course they include obvious sxum like Radfield. I made a read and made a call. It's a vote i stand by. Radfield is by no means obvious scum. He may be obvious to you now because your mission failed N1, but at the time all he had done was post his team and given the reasoning behind it. You're reaching. Yes, I've read your post, please stop insinuating that I didn't. I'm done with this debate, I've given my thoughts on you and I consider the matter to be closed. All you continuing to antagonize me serves to do is make you more suspicious to me.
Im notbtrying to convince you. Youbare scum. Thebpeople whose votes matter will seebthis convo and understand the truth. I klmade the right call. The matter wouldnt be closed if you were town because you would provide oegitimate arguments... ever. Defend yourself!
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Blazinghand
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Ok. At a keyboard now. Here's my main point-- Radfield made his team based not at all on his original metrics (flaws though they were). He then posted his team without any justification. He provided some after being called out on it, but only after the fact. He didn't vote for his own team, possibly setting up for a quickhammer situation, which shuts down debate and prevents us from gathering more information for vital d1 reads.
Then the mission failed.
I think that Radfield needs to be swapped out-- and that's my case.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I agree with Toad that talking about mafia strategy is a poor idea. What are your thoughts on Radfield? Mafia? Town? Undetermined?
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On December 29 2011 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
SPECULATION TIME!!!
Is it possible that more than one spy was sent on last night's mission?
My guess is no, because only one sabotage attempt was made. Because there's no out-of-thread communication, spies aren't going to assume their buddies are going to sabotage (if they wanna win anyway,) and because all their communications happen inside the thread, we have to assume that only one spy was sent last night.
Anyone have thoughts on this matter? well that's kind of what palmar was talking about. thoughts about this is talking about spy strategy. That could very well be spies breadcrumbing each other because they at least will know where to look at. So I'd say everyone think for themselves on that matter :p Oh and @blazinghand: I actually didn't see your PS post earlier because I was in a rush typing. Looks like we both got the same idea about VE and didn't understand each other :D Wait a second...the bolded statement seems to imply that you agree with Blaze that I'm SPAI, but all your previous posts seem to indicate that you think I'm NOT SPAI. Please clarify.
._. another case of VE not reading my posts? The PS post was the one in which I indicated you were not a knave, but rather, a fool.
Aside: Zona hasn't posted yet. Is he MIA or was this a planned holiday AFK?
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 29 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why Zona in particular Blaze? Only 4 people in the game HAVE posted so far, were you expecting to hear from Zona early or something?
Hm, good point. What's the deal with all these AFK people?
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 29 2011 11:10 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of yo being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms. Let me refer you to my previous post... which it seems you still have not read. Am i town? Yes. I like teams with me on them and will vote yay on them... unless of course they include obvious sxum like Radfield. I made a read and made a call. It's a vote i stand by. wait, did you not just say you will vote nay for any team with the previous night's members....and then just said you will vote yay for teams with you on them? Also why would we be worried about a quickhammer on a day1 team. we have almost 0 info on teams day one as this is a game of logic. we have to send someone, and rad's picks made sense.
?? I will vote nay for teams with the previous nights members who aren't me. ._. Also, I will vote yay for teams with me on them. However, as always, this is subject to things like "obvious scum on a team" which I will vote nay for, etc.
The fact of the matter is, the quickhammer on the day 1 team is the reason we have so little info now re: reads on people and their reasoning and post history. Do you really think that there's no way to make a read day 1? I disagree. I made a read, and I was right. The fact of the matter is, a quickhammer on day 1 reduced our information and our histories of people's posting here on day 2.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 29 2011 11:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Zona has posted, dont you people read?
OH LOL YOU'RE right. It just feels sort of non-postey I guess. Can someone make a list of filters or something.
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