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Grackaroni
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Grackaroni
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Would love to start as soon as possible Is tonight possible? | ||
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Grackaroni
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 What do you guys think of policy lynches? I think people usually end up discussing Lynch All Lurkers and Lynch all Liars pretty soon anyways so might as well start it off. Lynching liars seems like a no-brainer to me. If your a townie just don't lie, it is anti-town and only leads to trouble. Lurkers are a little bit more complicated. It's much harder to get a solid read on a lurker since they aren't giving much content so they end up hurting the town a lot especially if they survive until the late game. I would prefer to try to get a strong lynch based off of analysis day1 but day1 lynches are rarely successful, it we can't agree on player who is giving off strong scum vibes than it is better to choose a lurker for the day 1 lynch, they will always remain a null read and can provide an easy scapegoat for scum. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Please try not to sheep other players, if you actually believe that a player is mafia you need to justify it and provide your own reasoning, simply saying you agree with somebody else's arguments will not help us figure out your alignment. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On December 23 2011 13:58 GiygaS wrote: I used to agree with LaL, but now it seems like a very shaky idea to me. What if we have a blue that lies to save himself? What if we have a green that's trying a gambit to draw out mafia? What if we have someone lie about their role to generate town discussion, later revealing they lied. I agree that LaL could be used on petty lies like excuses that contradict something someone has said before, but I disagree with Lynch ALL Liars. Lynch all Lurkers is also terrible, as 100% of the time, when you lynch a lurker, a mafia member or the mafia as a whole will stray it to be a town member. This rule is basically asking to kill a townie. I'm going to conclude with my general opinion on policies in general : No. Every single policy on, "he did this, *lists policy*, time to lynch him" is stupid, plain and simple. Let's get smarter and start playing this game right, with case-by-case analysis. I don't see why a blue should be claiming green in the first place, nobody is going to ask for a roleclaim unless its during a time when its actually beneficial for the blue to claim, in which case they wouldn't claim green. Greens should not fake-roleclaim blue the risks is just much greater than the reward. Let's say somebody claims to be a medic and gets shot for it. It's pretty good that he saved the possibility of a blue death but it's also possible that the real blue counter-claims gets killed and then the green gets lynched. Fake claims are anti-town so don't do it. I don't even really understand the last idea but it doesn't seem like something that would benefit town in a major way so just avoid it. Yes, mafia will try to save their own lurker but we only lynch a lurker if we can't agree on a scummy active player, an active player will give us more information so they have much more potential to help if they are town or to scum-slip if they are scum. I agree with you that no-lynches are bad, so I don't see why it would be a good idea to lynch an active player over a lurker. | ||
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Grackaroni
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If I was a vigilante I would wait to find a target I'm really sure is scum rather than use my only shot on a lurker. That's just me though I can see some benefits to your idea. | ||
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Grackaroni
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As town the optimal way to play is to appear as good as possible. What good can come from saying you are a bad player? It only frees some responsibility from acting anti-town. | ||
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On December 24 2011 00:49 Shraft wrote: Naturally. But my point still stands, if someone looks very green, it is utterly retarded to lynch them because of some stupid policy. I don't think you can get a solid read off a lurking player but feel free to prove me wrong. Fake role claims need to be lynched ASAP, I don't care if the player might have "looked" green before, it is anti-town so they shouldn't have done. Tthe risks of a fake roleclaim overweigh it's benefits. Hopefully discussing Lynch All Liars beforehand will make it clear to a townie that they shouldn't fake claim. Let's leave the lurking and the lying to scum players. | ||
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Grackaroni
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I don't want to allow scum to get away with fake claiming this game which can be prevented if the town players are against fake claiming. | ||
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On December 24 2011 03:38 sephirotharg wrote: RE: GiygaS No, you misinterpreted my post - I expected somebody to notice that part about me lurking long before they did - I didn't expect to get votes so early! You see, mafia will tend to push for a mis-lynch day 1 - and I don't mind putting myself out there as a target, if it lures them out of hiding. So, anyone who has pushed for lynching me, consider yourself on notice. And the last objection you have to me: my asking people about day 1 lynches did indeed generate discussion. See this post: And this one: On December 24 2011 08:28 sephirotharg wrote: I'll answer the criticisms leveled at me once a mod/host rules on my editing my post, assuming I'm still in the game. I'd rather not be at this point, though. You've become too inconsistent. At the start of the game you downplayed yourself as a lurker and a bad player. You later defended yourself using the above quote claiming that it was good play, it helped you lure scum out of hiding, and that you don't mind putting yourself out as a target. You've taken some pressure and now all of a sudden you don't even want to play the game anymore? That doesn't match with your earlier statement. You should be using the information you've gathered with your "I'm a bad player and a lurker" trap to help expose the scum team. Instead you've already gotten a defeatist attitude. On December 24 2011 08:00 sephirotharg wrote: @ Giygas It's just a placeholder vote. The rules say voting is mandatory, and I'd rather not get modkilled for forgetting to vote, so by preemptively voting I preclude that possibility. By voting for myself, I reveal nothing about my thoughts on other players. Why wouldn't you want to give us your reads? You should be giving out information to help the town, especially because your about to be lynched... there is no allignment where it would be beneficial for you to not try to defend yourself and giving us what your thinking helps the town. On December 24 2011 08:14 sephirotharg wrote: Because I don't desire to appear mafia? If I'm town, the last thing I'd want to do is contradict myself, so it seems natural to me to re-read my posts. It is actually good to appear as townish as possible for both town and scum, but for somebody with as limited time as yourself you should be prioritizing reading other people's filters over your own. As scum you could still try to wiggle your way out of the lynch. instead you put a placeholder vote on yourself EVEN THOUGH you said that you would be here before the deadline. You edit a post EVEN THOUGH you said you read the rules after people said you couldn't self vote. I think it's entirely possible that your play at the start of the game was so suspicious that now the mafia decided to bus you, that's my best explanation for why you've given up and are even asking to be modkilled. I hope that's not the case because you can't try to get modkilled to help your team. ##Vote: Sephirotharg | ||
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On December 23 2011 15:57 minus_human wrote: /Confirmed, have to go now, will be back in a couple of hours. Also kind of curious about what happened here. | ||
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On December 24 2011 08:14 sephirotharg wrote: Because I don't desire to appear mafia? If I'm town, the last thing I'd want to do is contradict myself, so it seems natural to me to re-read my posts. If you don't think mafia are inconsistent than why are you editing posts to avoid contradicting yourself? What your saying here makes it looks like contradicting yourself makes you appear scummy. | ||
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On December 24 2011 14:50 sephirotharg wrote: @ Grackaroni Explain to me where I said mafia are inconsistent. You said you don't want to appear to be mafia so you want to avoid contradicting yourself to make yourself look more town. Contradicting yourself IS being inconsistent | ||
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Keeping your reads to yourself won't help you survive the lynch tomorrow. | ||
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First he put together a shitty defense of him downplaying his activity and his skill by saying that he was using it to draw out mafia to vote for him because he knew that they would try to force a mislynch. On December 24 2011 03:38 sephirotharg wrote: RE: GiygaS No, you misinterpreted my post - I expected somebody to notice that part about me lurking long before they did - I didn't expect to get votes so early! You see, mafia will tend to push for a mis-lynch day 1 - and I don't mind putting myself out there as a target, if it lures them out of hiding. So, anyone who has pushed for lynching me, consider yourself on notice. And the last objection you have to me: my asking people about day 1 lynches did indeed generate discussion. See this post: And this one: On December 24 2011 03:56 sephirotharg wrote: RE: Giygas This is a game of circles within circles son, and you'd best step to that right quick. Weird accent aside, I'm merely stating that I find you, Dirkzor, and Shraft rather suspicious for voting so early and pushing hard. I think it's rather obvious why I wrote "the thing about lurking" - to generate some discussion, allowing scum to reveal themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the three of you flips red - but we'll see. Later in the game he becomes a defeatist, saying that he wanted to be replaced because anyone else could do better than him, but why? You wanted to draw people out to vote for you, so you should be using the information you gained with your trap and look more into the people you were suspicious of. On December 24 2011 08:14 sephirotharg wrote: Because I don't desire to appear mafia? If I'm town, the last thing I'd want to do is contradict myself, so it seems natural to me to re-read my posts. Another thing I don't like, I guess there can be some merit to look more town but honestly I haven't been looking over my own posts at all this game. I think it's more of a scum trait. Instead you bandwagon on to JB for having a weak case and being a lurker. Before you thought that the people who originally voted for you were suspicious but now you've changed your mind. Perhaps there was a reason you didn't want to list reads? you didn't have any, I think you found somebody else's case and jumped on it. On Jaybrundage : Jaybrundage's case on Seph looks pretty weak. You need to understand though that people aren't voting for Seph because people are bandwagoning dirkzor, the original voter. People are voting for seph because he has been by far the most suspicious character in this game. | ||
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On December 25 2011 14:34 jaybrundage wrote: Sucks Sep was town Moving on. I would like to lynch hyshes next he has not attributed much to the discussion at all. And in general has not posted anything that has any significance How confident in this lynch are you? You already explained that you think lynches based purely off of policy are bad so is there something about his play that feels scummy to you or is it because of his lack of contributions. | ||
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Good luck guys and try to post more than I did.  | ||
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