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kitaman27
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And I never said those 4 were scum. I said 3/4 would have to be scum, you didn't really read my post very well you kind of just chopped my post into small quotes and answered them out of context.[/QUOTE]
Oh, misinterpreted what you were saying.
On December 29 2011 07:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Would you please just answer this one thing for me? (What do you think about RoL saying he shot BC and is thus town?)
Well nobody has counter-claimed the BC shot and he crumbed it before hand so I believe he shot BC. It doesn't make him confirmed town, but it was a good shot considering he would have dominated lynch discussion today otherwise.
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On December 29 2011 07:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
And I never said those 4 were scum. I said 3/4 would have to be scum, you didn't really read my post very well you kind of just chopped my post into small quotes and answered them out of context.
Oh, misinterpreted what you were saying.
On December 29 2011 07:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Would you please just answer this one thing for me? (What do you think about RoL saying he shot BC and is thus town?)
Well nobody has counter-claimed the BC shot and he crumbed it before hand so I believe he shot BC. It doesn't make him confirmed town, but it was a good shot considering he would have dominated lynch discussion today otherwise.
EBWOP
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On December 21 2011 13:48 L wrote:
Why would I ever give a blue read like that? Because there are 6 people in this game that I consider substantially better than me at reading roles (its really never been my strong point), and given that 25% of the game or more is anti-town, the probability of anti-town having 1 or 2 of those people is excessively high.
List of people that I think are better than me at reading roles for future reference:
1. Foolishness
4. kitaman27
6. SamuelLJackson
13. Chezinu
16. BloodyC0bbler
17. LSB
First off, when L is asked about fishing for blue roles, he responds that he did it because other players would have likely caught on. He then proceeded to list the six players better than him at role reading "for future reference". This list is completely irrelevant. He states that 25% of the game being scum means 1-2 of them on the list are probably scum. That is equivalent to selecting six random players and saying 1-2 are scum. He lists me and curu/sandro as being people with better blue reads than him, yet I've only ever played one game with him as a newbie and curu/sandro haven't even played any. He is likely just listing six of the most experienced players and immediately casting doubt on them from the start of the game.
On December 22 2011 00:47 L wrote:
RE: Metric
I was hoping to be able to say it when I woke up, but the thread's been confirming how I thought the game would roll out since I went to sleep, so I want the trap to sit out there a bit more. Give it another hour and a bit.
Next L comes up with this extremely long post about some Metric he came up with for catching scum. He acts as if he set up a trap to catch scum. The one problem? He never mentions anyone that he actually caught. This reminds me exactly of my "trap" in LotR mafia, where I tried to explain that I was trapping scum with the knowledge that I was Radfield's mason partner, yet never actually brought up anyone that I caught.
He then proceeds to argue with Palmar about the win rate of town on day one. This is a common theme of L's play this game. He is more than willing to argue about things that have absolutely no impact on the game, yet when it comes to scum hunting, he really doesn't seem to care at all.
After that, L decides to give his reads on every single player in the thread. It looks as if he is making a contribution, but he never follows through with any of his reads.
The weirdest point comes when L insists that GM lied about his vig target. This makes absolutely no sense. GM posted his shot target when night actions would have been locked. Scum couldn't react to his target, so there is no reason not to post who he was targeting. He argues with me and chaoser that keeping the town in the dark was a good thing, but in reality L is only distracting the town with misdirection. He cares more about figuring out the night actions than finding who is scum. He tries to get himself out of it by asking other people to present a valid explanation of night actions, while knowing that only scum have the ability to know how everything turned out.
When pressed for delivering a scum suspect, he promises to contribute later, but never does. He says he was looking through jackals filter and explains who Jackal thought was scum, but never explains who he thinks is scum. He mentions me as a good vig target on night two, without ever bringing me up previously, with his only reasoning being that my posts are "careful".
Overall, L is more than willing to talk about things that don't matter, yet has no interest in finding scum.
##Vote L
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kitaman27
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On December 29 2011 09:55 L wrote:
RE: Votes on me.
I just read through the thread, and the argument for shooting me is that someone crumbed a shot, then didn't shoot me, ergo I must be mafia.
This is odd for two very short reasons:
1) The exact same thing happened for RoL, who has a mountain of lies and bullshit to his name.
2) It would be very easy to RB foolishness if I was a townie to attempt to train on me the next day and secure the win.
So we're in a position in which mafia needs a SINGLE person from town to disbelieve an open and closed mafia case in front of them in order to defuse the lynch. Who steps up to the plate and tries to softpush me, then realizes he's an idiot and needs to go balls in because his case is terrible? bumatlarge. Who's his mafia cohort in this, a person who was ostensibly going to get vig hit tonight? Kitaman. Both of them have done relatively little for the entire game, both played very concilliatory day 1. Everything fits.
Welp, Kitaman/bumatlarge/RoL for mafia fits pretty well. If Sheth was mafia he'd probably have been replaced quite a while back. Thanks for outting yourselves, buddies.
oh so now we're the scum team because we decided to vote for you? How about this one:
On December 22 2011 06:33 L wrote:
15. bumatlarge -- Huge content filled posts designed to spur discussion and an early vote. Very town.
bum goes from huge content and very town to doing relatively little and playing very conciliatory? Do you have no comments on the case made against you rather than just calling us scum for bringing it up? You seem to try to pass it off as being the target of Foolishness's shot, but there has been much more than you never address.
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Umm Meapak, you realize it is LYLO, right? All five town need to vote together or else the scum can last minute unvote and cause a no lynch. Why wouldn't you vote to secure the majority?
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On December 31 2011 00:43 syllogism wrote:
Leaning scum based on my last read, I'll probably have time to reread him later today
lolol. You haven't mentioned my name the entire game and now I'm suddenly scum based on your last read? At LYLO?
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prpl, Sheth, and L were all on RoL midway through the day cycle and chez looked as if he was never coming back. At 5v3, it is lylo and town needs A SINGLE TOWN VOTE to be off scum and its a mislynch or no lynch.
Could someone even remind me what the arguement is against me? That I was wrong on the first two days? So was everyone else that is still alive, but prpl, who shot bugs. The difference? I've been sharing my opinion, while others sheep, lurk, and vote whenever its conveneint for them. I was the only player to make a case against L, moving multiple votes off him (one of which was a town prpl) at LYLO.
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On December 31 2011 14:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on Syllogism
lol we both shot him? What is your role?
I'm a liar vig. When he posted that he was leaning scum on me based on his earlier read, I argued that he had never had a read on me, nor had ever metnioned me, and was positioning himself for a mislynch at LYLO.
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On December 31 2011 14:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Why didn't you call it Kita ? o.O Also, I shot Meapak, Chezinu, but I was roleblocked. So ended up not mattering. Wow, crazy night.
I was meaning to at the deadline, but I was out at the movies and didn't get back in time :/
What is your role sheth?
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On December 31 2011 14:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Kita, why would you shoot syllo? Just cuz he made a case against you? =X
Look through his filter. He was completely useless the entire game, never bringing up a case against a single player. Him randomly coming out and positioning himself for a mislynch at LYLO was the tipping point. I was considering shooting you, but you never set off my trigger.
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kitaman27
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I'm not sure how much time I'll have tonight with New Years, but I'll try to share my thoughts when I have a chance. Heading out to dinner at the moment.
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On January 01 2012 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Bum please think for a second. No one has claimed a hit on prp. Therefore either Kita or I have to be telling the truth. I already have confirmation from Ver that I no longer have my shot. It's really simple. Kita confirms/denies he still has his shot. If he still has his shot then we lynch Sheth and win. If he claims to not have his shot he's lying but I'm more than happy to flip town to prove him wrong since we have one mislynch. So until kita comes in and gives us a status about his shot we should be voting Sheth since he's scum (I think kita is town but maybe he'll surprise me and lie about his shot).
So reread and rethink bum because atm you're on the wrong track.
And bum your sitaution having both Sheth and I claim rb if syllo doesn't die is extremely flimsy. I shot syllo. Let's wait for kita to give us status on his shot before you decide I'm scum.
I do not have my shot anymore. However, if you were a real vig, you would know that shots are not refunded if multiple players overlap on the same target. Can another vig confirm this fact? What are you trying to pull Meapak? :/
On January 02 2012 00:58 chaoser wrote:
Happy New Years Guys!
Happy New Years!
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On December 29 2011 04:11 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
KITAMAN27
This is purely many little things, some bigger things and everything I find even remotely fishy about "Kitaman27"
Right off the bat early on in the game he noticed the vote count was off. And he had already voted something. For me when I'm town I never look at the voting count amount until much later.
He was curious about both "chaoser and gm" for quite a big part of the early game. Pretty much his only post besides worrying about a lurker (Sheth, myself).
He also "Expects more" from Foolishness, BC and GM" So, so far he has been curious or expected more from 4 confirmed townies and myself who is a townie as well.
He then proceeds to say that it is tough to make a serious case against someone who only has two posts containing information he then says though that it is "not half-hearted". This is a blatant contradiction, its very hard to tell anything from just two posts and I find it weird that he wants to push someone based off of two posts. He then uses the words "would like to see him dead"
When the Vigilante showdown AKA "LSB vs GM two vigilantes of different names" occurred his solution was terrible from a town point of view. He wanted them to have one shoot the other one and for the other one to shoot someone who "appears townie". This was I believe the first time I really looked at Kita as Scum . This seems to me silly, because it ends up killing everyone, not really helping us by giving us information and in the end is just a bad idea. We'd like our vigilantes to stay alive as at that point we really didn't know how many we had. I'm sure you can figure out the other reasons this was a bad idea.
He then is not suspicious of RoL, but says that he "hopes to hear from RoL". This doesn't seem at all negative and if RoL is mafia as well as Kita it points to Kita reminding RoL to post here more.
He then says that he wouldn't mind putting 7-8 votes on a lurker (Sheth, myself), but then really never tries to do that at all. He almost instantly changes his thought process and goes after someone else. Honestly I think it would have been smart to try and put more votes on me. I wouldn't have answered, but if I was just scumlurking then it would have pressured me out into at least saying something.
He is then very curious about GM and his role and if he is roleblocked. I think it VERY likely that GM was in fact roleblocked. He was the obvious best choice for mafia to role block hands down. Kitaman27 then proceeds to ask "Would your bullet be refunded?" He is very curious about this townies power and what would happen if he was roleblocked. Just an interesting point for sure.
He then proceeds to say in his big list that he is "leaning town on bugs" and that his main lynch candidate is on Prplhz. I don't know why he stopped pressuring the lurker (myself) or why he instantly went onto Prplhz here. I was very happy with what I'd seen from prplhz at this point. Syllogism was as well, pointing out that "prplhz has appeared very protown". Bugs then proceeded to try and start suspicion against Prplhz by asking if he was just bad in general or only as scum. Something I also thought was out of place. This didn't go anywhere and then he Bugs proceeds to switch his case onto BC when no one else agrees with voting out Prplhz. Kitaman27 has never really caused ANYONE major pressure. He hasn't had a passion of scum hunting. He has in the end done very nearly nothing for us. He should have at least kept up his pressure on the lurker (Myself) and been more passionate against Prplhz if he truly felt he was scummy.
He then lists his ideal scumteam of -Foolishness, BC, Prplhz and L. 2 of which are confirmed town. Prplhz is just about confirmed town to me and then L. So he scum team is already been proven 2/4 wrong and almost 3/4 wrong. He also doesn't think I'm scum at all in these posts. Again going along with the theme of not really pressuring anyone, but merely putting some small spotlight onto these 4.
After Prplhz reveals that he had killed WhereBugsGo Kita says sorry for accusing Prplhz. He was very against apologizing early and one of the reads early that we had was that in most cases here scum would be apologetic and simply try not to die by lynch or agravating someone by trigger or simply vig shot. As town is somewhat killing itself by shooting itself (vig shots). So at this point this post could be dangerous as well.
Any, one or some of these posts taken separately wouldn't strike a chord. However all of them together ring in my ears. KitaMan27 is Scum
On December 29 2011 04:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 03:59 prplhz wrote:
Didn't you read the thread at all? Both L and I have already put up our arguments, syllogism agrees. Chezinu stopped posting at 1999 posts, and he hasn't posted or voted for 5 straight days.
Look at how apathetic RebirthOfLeGenD is right now in face of getting lynched at lylo. He doesn't care at all because he's scum and because he's getting bussed. If you were townie and you were getting lynched and that lynch would cost town the game, wouldn't you fight a lot harder than this? He's just posting one liners and not caring about anything at all, because he is getting bussed. L's first real contribution in this game is a case on RebirthOfLeGenD full of stuff that he could just as easily have pointed out yesterday.
Pretty much it doesn't matter if you think that kitaman27 is scum right now because we're lynching RebirthOfLeGenD and we need everybody to help out. Unless you are sure that RebirthOfLeGenD is town then you are going to vote him. Your entire case for RebirthOfLeGenD being town is "his story is just so weird", is that better than the arguments that L and I put forth?
Totally unrelated, it's insane that Foolishness identified both wherebugsgo and L as scum on day1. Yes I read the thread prplhz. I've read your argument against RoL. L and syllogism just went onto your bus and accepted him quietly. Chezinu hasn't posted yes, I see that. Thanks for posting some more against RoL though, thats what I was looking for. I agree that RoL should definetly be fighting much harder to not be killed here. As this is pretty much our last thought. I agree, with your logic on this and I'm happy to be voting RoL here. I'll put me vote for him right here as well. Foolishness did have some very good calls, I'll give him that. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend
Well Sheth, here is where we're at. Day three you posted your only analysis of the game against myself at LYLO, yet you never vote for me. You proceed to vote RoL after being "convinced" by arguments by prpl and Foolishness. Only until after the votes are moved over to L do you finally vote for him, as the final person on the wagon.
On December 29 2011 03:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
If one of Syllogism / L are mafia then the other is town.
On December 29 2011 03:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
L You've had good logic. You voted for Palmar day one which I find weird. I have a null read on you as well. Other then thinking that either BOTH you and sylogism are town or 1 is town 1 is mafia I really don't have a great read. I think there is very likely no chance your both mafia.
On December 29 2011 06:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
As already said, I don't think L and Syllogism are both mafia together. Meaning one of RoL, yourself or Chezinu is mafia in place of them.
On December 31 2011 13:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Syll you are also pretty much confirmed town.
You have been setting up a contrast in alignment between L and syllo all game long. There wasn't even a good argument for this reasoning. syllo directly mentioned that he planned to push me today and tried to get a vig to shoot me, after never mentioning me in the game prior to lylo. You're so adamant that L and syllo can't both be scum, yet never question that me and syllo wouldn't be scum?
As for your "shot", for all we know, L could have been the roleblocker. If you were so adamant about lynching me according to your case, why are you calling a shot on chezinu? Because you believed he would be lynched at lylo, prior to me shooting syllo?
I've gotten two scum killed this game. The closest you have come is voting for L 24 hours too late.
##Vote Liquid`Sheth
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kitaman27
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Even though the game is likely over in 20 minutes, if it isn't, then forcing everyone to trigger bum's role isn't all that bad of an idea. I'm not sure if it would be better tonight or at 1:1 if we come to another mislynch. If he shoots tonight, then his shot essentially decides the game, rather than a final 2v1 lynch tomorrow.
GG Sheth.
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lol you should tell us so I can go to bed -_-
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On January 03 2012 00:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Wait, you both claimed the hit? Both of you claimed you targeted him AND used your hit? As in neither were refunded?
Yep. Meapak, earlier you mentioned that I was lying if I said my hit wasn't refunded. Do you still believe that is the case?
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kitaman27
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I shot syllo as a liar vig. He argued that he though I was scum based on his earlier read. I argued that he never had an earlier read, nor had ever even mentioned my name, and that he was only setting himself up for a mislynch at lylo.
Meapak seemed to indicate that he thought I was scum if my hit wasn't refunded. However, all real vigs know that hits overlap if they target the same player. They aren't refunded. As you claim to have shot BC, you can confirm this as well, no?
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On January 03 2012 04:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
...........It sounds like something Chezinu would do. Which sucks for us. This means we should ignore facts for analysis because they don't help at all.
That being said, who do you guys think the last scum is? I am doing an analysis now and cleared one person, I believe the other is leaning town.
To be honest RoL, I'd rather hold off while it is night. The last thing we should do is give everyone our reads going into a 2v1 LYLO.
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kitaman27
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Heading out for the night, probably won't be around to post until tomorrow morning/early afternoon, assuming I survive the night. There is one person I'm pretty sure is town, but I don't really have a definitive idea who I'll be pushing tomorrow until I have a good chance to read through everyone's filters again. If you forsee yourself being absent during an extended period of the next 48 hours, please indicate ahead of time. I also would like a chance to be able to ask a couple people some questions in real-time where they don't have much time to prepare a response if that is possible. Is there a time that would work for everyone?
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