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 Anyway, I'd like to get my own thoughts down here.First of all, on the prospect of Sheth being mayor/pardoner, I would say no. We don't want someone who is an inexperienced player in that position (He just asked if he could look at other people's games, this showcases his inexperience). As I've only seen one other candidate (I don't plan on running myself for the reasons that I'm not voting for Sheth most likely), I feel like I would vote for him. Why? This isn't because he's the only other candidate, but because what he has said thus far makes sense, and gets us the sense that he is town, based on him readily giving info, as well as (most importantly) trying to get another player who's excellent at the game (especially both of them), on board. That said, I'm not going to vote yet, as well as I won't declare any kind of affiliation to Arctocod yet until I see his own posts. On Jitsu's lynch policy question, I believe in LaL heavily. While there are some exceptions to this rule (a blue protecting himself), in general, a lie is usually sign of Mafia, especially when it is a petty one. An example of a petty lie that I've seen in a game between me and my friends (They are all SO bad), was that someone made the excuse of not reading the thread completely, when the post before the one in question said he was going to read the thread completely and come back to us. I don't think it's any kind of obvious that we need to lynch this kind of lie, as it's a baseless excuse. To finish, I want people to post their policies, as well as their own opinions on mayoral candidates for now. We can't really make any good reads on who's mafia until content starts coming out, and the best way of doing that is to get some discussion flowing around who we want as mayor/pardoner. Remember, a mafia can hide easily in a quiet/inactive town. To fix this, let's get some content and activity going! | ||
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Finally @Prof: WHY should we vote for you? Don't just say "I'm running lol." | ||
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@Dropbear: It's important we get these things done now so we don't A) Have a misinterpretation that bite's our asses down the line B) Have no regulation and let mafia run free in the elected positions. We should make a constitution for the elected officials | ||
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On December 12 2011 23:56 zeks wrote: Note that the mayor has 2 votes, 1 being hidden And he can decide ties So in essence in some cases its like having 3 votes (in close voting races) so the mayor is a really really strong role compared to Pardoner. Get Radfield to Mayor and Arc or whoever to Pardoner I have very little time, so I can only write a few sentences. So how the hell does a potential 3 votes beat the ability to crush all votes? It means he can save 2 scummates from being lynched! | ||
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When the Pardoner should Pardon: In a period of time of 30 minutes to 3 hours before the lynch, a pardoner can commence an unofficial voting session . All those active int he thread at this time will HAVE to vote either Yes or No to pardon the person in quesiton. This keeps the pardoner power in the hands of the town, and keeps things by and large under control. If anyone has any doubts ont his subject, bring them up, and we may want to change some of the restrictions on this. If there's a stituation that this rule did not think of, I would really feel bad  On the subject of rules for elected officials: I believe mayoral candidates should declare who their hidden vote is for. The benefits simply outweigh the negatives. Sure, the mafia gets a better idea of the voting situation, but it gives the mayor far more transparency, and gives us ability to monitor and regulate these powerful roles. On the subject of campaigns, I'm going to be voting for Radfield/Arctocod.and more specifically Arctocod. I feel he's being more transparent than Radfield, and has been raising some good points with good logic. I feel like Radfield has kind of said canned start of game sort of stuff so far, so i don't have any reason to think he's mafia, but I'm not convinced he's totally town either. Again, I'm leaning more int eh way that he's town because he brought up another very good palyer so quickly, who I would believe would be a threat to him if he was a mafia. On to the subject of who I want to vote: I'll be be putting my tentative lynch vote on Zeks. This will turn in to a real vote if I come back in 3 hours and no new info has really been unveilied/no info that's an easy analysis for a lynch. The points against him have been pointed out by Deus-Ex, he wanted to vote a hydra off for really no reason, other than what I can see that he's threatened by them (a mafia would be threatened!) He also dissappeared for a while, and when he returned, he just quickly answered a quesiton, and didn't either reference or defend his accusations. | ||
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On December 13 2011 05:18 GreYMisT wrote: how can it be a majority decision if the majority is offline? Somethign around 40% of people in Canada voted, yet we have a majorty government that's by and large accepted. If the majority players ONLINE pick something, then there may be some protests from the inactives, but it should be a "no until proven yes" sort of thing. The exception should only be brought up if BIG info happens, that radically changes the way a LOT of people who are online are thinking about a lynch, in a short amount of time before the lynch. Like I said, this situation is rare, but it could happen, and we should use the pardoner to it's potential if this does happen. Anyway, my comp science class is ending so I have to go for around 4 hours, peace. | ||
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IMO there are 4 candidates for lynching atm, I'm going to look 'em all over and say my thoughts on them: stay tuned. | ||
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1) Zeks: Let's be honest, I'm not going to rehash what we have against him as it's been said multiple times already. If you don't know, read the thread and you'll see. That said, his responses since my initial accusation have been sufficient and calmly answered with good logic behind them, so I am removing my vote for now, as others (as in Eii) are. 2) Dropbear: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 13:39 Spaackle wrote: Lynching a lurker should be our ABSOLUTE last option. Rather than taking them out of the game, we should instead make as much of an effort to bring them into the discussions as we can. I'll start by saying that DropBear is looking a bit scummy to me. He makes a post telling us to vote for him, not lynch a hydra, endorses Radfield, and discourages discussion on the mayor and pardoner roles. He then promptly disappears off the face of the planet, reappearing only to dodge a bit of poking from arctocod. DropBear's filter + Show Spoiler + LOL Kavdragon the village idiot. I am running for mayor too I've played over 10 games with a reasonable win rate. I also have been sniped really early the last few times I've played due to nailing mafia early and want to last longer this time. I suck horribly at lying and am really obvious as a Mafia so you know what you are getting. I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people. I would endorse Radfield other than myself as he is easily the best player here and I feel is also not that hard to tell his alignment. These posts about what the mayor and pardoner do and why they are important are basically spam. We can read we know what the roles do. Focus on who we are electing and why rather than clutter the thread. Cos this tactic worked so well last time Palmar -_- DropBear's scumminess makes some sense here: Throw in your bid for mayor, just so that scum can have a bid, then, when you see that it isn't going well, vanish in the confusion of the arguments of the other candidates. DropBear, please give us some more information: prove to us that you are not scum, because right now, you look pretty scummy. I'm casing my lynch vote right now for DropBear To clarify: I'm not changing my mind in the same post: I still think that lynching all lurkers is a bad thing. I'm using my vote in this case to put some pressure on a very scummy looking lurker to try and draw him back into the discussion. If DropBear can prove to me that he's not scum, my vote will go somewhere else. This is what Spaackle has said on him. And I'm starting to agree with him, especially because on of our vets actually declared suspicion on Dropbear but noone really payed any attention to it: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 15:37 Arctocod wrote: Dropbear is suspicious based his very first post because he is making a ridiculous assumption about our activity in order to prevent us from being elected. The main point of me and palmar being hydras is that we know each others alignment and can thus freely discuss everything. It has nothing to do with activity and I can assure you we will be very active. Why would dropbear want to make that assumption? The townie motivation for it is quite weak as activity is something that will speak for itself. FoS on Dropbear 3) MrZentor Honestly, I don't see why people are really going on this guy: All of his posts could be theoretically made by an inactive or bad townie, and he only has 30 posts. That said, the support against him is also pretty weak, as I tend to see a lot of newer players jump on bandwagons (especially early on in the game), in their first games. One so new can feel threatened by what people are saying and just sort of latch on to the concrete thing, which was at that time votes on Zeks. Personally, I don't think he's even 50% town (more like 40%), but a relatively null-read is hard to base a decision off of. 4) Eii: #1 Not really strong, as it's been pretty well defended with good logic, but it's some circumstantial evidence nonetheless: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 13:29 Eiii wrote: I'm going to be voting for one of the hydras, in all likelihood-- from my experience, multi-person players (especially with experienced, devoted mafia players behind them) can absolutely wreck games like this. Having a pro-town hydra behind a bodyguard should be town's goal for today, in my opinion. On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote: I'm going to be voting Radfield for mayor/pardoner. He would be good to have in either role, and now that he's posted some more I'm pretty confident that he's legit. If anyone hasn't looked at the election voting thread yet, it's literally all rad/arc, so it looks like our candidates are decided unless anyone has some major objections. Why not vote for the hydra (the kind of person you want in?) You even mention the perfect candidate in Arc :/ #2: Already making excuses: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote: I'm not going to lie, I generally don't really have any clue what's going on day 1, and this game is no exception. There is literally no reason for a town to say this. The only reason I can actually come up with this is: A) Adding fluff, which is Mafia logic B) Setting up an excuse if he get's caught on anything in Day 1 #3 He kind of hopped on my Zeks bandwagon :/ Overall this is only enough for an FoS, but I want to see how he responds: FoS on Eiii 5) Jitsu: I really don't see any merit to what Greymist has been saying. They are just really weak arguments against someone IMO | ||
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Second, the Greymist "bandwagon" isn't even that. A bandwagon is when somebody votes for somebody or FoSes them or something and someone jumps on that bandwagon with little to no real reasoning behind their decision other than, "yeah he's got good points". I don't think anyone has actually truly considered greymist's points on Jitsu atm, based on him just saying what do you think of my points on Jitsu? over and over and over again. This is NOT a Bandwagon whatsoever, it's actually just saying I see no merit in the ideas, which a lot of other people have said before, but nonetheless he was a candidate. You were NOT the creator of this so-called bandwagon, I would argue it's the people who have been ignoring Greymist's post until prompted would be the people. | ||
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So the evidence against me is that I'm only speaking fluff and because I FoSed Dropbear... First of all @Dropbear, I FoSed you because of other people's evidence as well which I did put in that little compilation, I was just mentionning that one of our leading scumhunters had already mentionned you early in the thread, you know adding some info that may have been forgotten. Just because you've now voted for me doesn't mean I'm dropping my FoS on you BTW. Next people(or Dropbear, as other people are saying some of my posts are sort of useful), are saying my posts are fluff. I disagree. My post was meant as a clarification on the things about Pardoner and Mayor so that we could move on. If you look in to the context and don't just filter, a lot of people were also worried about similar things at the same time (including you risk) and actually a lot of the info that I posted there was brought up as new info later on (wait mayor cant echnically vote 3 times!!!!) My talk about LaL was answering a question, where I was elaborating on my own thoughts (yeah you can lie if you're blue, but don't make petty lies like the one I had an example of). My talks about Pardoner aws actually something I wanted done, and people opposed to it, so now I've dropped it. Risk, you even brought up an idea for exceptions too. Which you then had a complete role reversal on as soon as people seem opposed to my ideas on a more specific idea (care to explain that one?) You then later stated that forbidding pardoning is stupid and should be used at that player's discretion (which is better than a current majority how?) Anyway, I'm getting off-topic: Yo, I'm innocent. | ||
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On December 14 2011 03:24 risk.nuke wrote: @GiygaS: You seem very worried about the suspicions against you. Not really. :/ | ||
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I was defending because you told me to... There was a case against me when Dropbear voted for me. | ||
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On the subject of lynching, I'm going to be voting for either: Zeks Zentor (Leaning against this because I feel the case on him is weak but other more experienced people all seem to believe he's mister Scummy McScum) Risk.nuke (I've already declared my suspicions on him in my defense, and I've looked at his filter a second time and he seems suspicious) Another point on risk.nuke: he didn't seem at all interested in being a candidate in the first bit, bu tnow that Arc is gone he was almost immediate to go "pick me! pick me!" when he is one of the least likely to get lynched tonight because people are suspecting him. I'll be watching and I'll make my decision from those three soon. | ||
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On December 14 2011 10:28 zeks wrote: How is it not the same for prof - Erandorr isn't even playing When was this mentionned? :O Was it in pre-game or something? | ||
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That is what I meant. | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:55 Jitsu wrote: Arcto, don't worry about the middle part of the PM. You need to pay most attention to the first part, and the very last sentence. The middle was required because of my role. You're not allowed to PM... | ||
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On December 15 2011 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmogism, what do you think about risk.nuke? I'm not Arc, but I think he's suspicious for sure. Here is the filter link for him. If you want to look for yourself. Contradiction + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote: Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch. Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable. I don't need to add that I also think hydras should sign their posts. None of my answers for anything or just some of them? Furthermore I never said I liked Rafields plan, I liked the fact that he said something and everyone else mutualy agrees on it which indicates it was a pro-town action ergo pro-town play. Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of? On December 13 2011 05:34 risk.nuke wrote: any kind of "those present should mutualy decide if to use pardon" is idiocy and a setup like that would only favor the mafia over town. The pardoner will have to decide himself if he is going to use it or not, and if he pardons it's at his own risk. Forbidding it is idiocy but we should warn him that by using the abillity chances are high we'll kill him. He was the one that brought up exceptions in the first place, then immediately condemns it when the town is against my ideas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On December 14 2011 11:42 risk.nuke wrote: No scum would ever play the way I am doing right now. Scum doesn't want to be the ones who takes action. So say I'm scum and I lynch greymist who then would be town. Next day I would have to fight for my life not to get lynched not to mention all my town cred would be gone. Tell me that is scumplay. Complete WIFOM here. You could still very easily be scum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He has also been going on Greymist extensively with nothing but "instinct" to guide him. His play is chaotic and tries to illicit fear in a lot of townies, especially in the beginning where he was just throwing FoSes with literally no proof. | ||
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On December 14 2011 03:31 GiygaS wrote: So first of all I'm confused on how a lynch on graymist would reveal info on me :/ You didn't really explain that at all risk. So the evidence against me is that I'm only speaking fluff and because I FoSed Dropbear... First of all @Dropbear, I FoSed you because of other people's evidence as well which I did put in that little compilation, I was just mentionning that one of our leading scumhunters had already mentionned you early in the thread, you know adding some info that may have been forgotten. Just because you've now voted for me doesn't mean I'm dropping my FoS on you BTW. Next people(or Dropbear, as other people are saying some of my posts are sort of useful), are saying my posts are fluff. I disagree. My post was meant as a clarification on the things about Pardoner and Mayor so that we could move on. If you look in to the context and don't just filter, a lot of people were also worried about similar things at the same time (including you risk) and actually a lot of the info that I posted there was brought up as new info later on (wait mayor cant echnically vote 3 times!!!!) My talk about LaL was answering a question, where I was elaborating on my own thoughts (yeah you can lie if you're blue, but don't make petty lies like the one I had an example of). My talks about Pardoner aws actually something I wanted done, and people opposed to it, so now I've dropped it. Risk, you even brought up an idea for exceptions too. Which you then had a complete role reversal on as soon as people seem opposed to my ideas on a more specific idea (care to explain that one?) You then later stated that forbidding pardoning is stupid and should be used at that player's discretion (which is better than a current majority how?) Anyway, I'm getting off-topic: Yo, I'm innocent. | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:49 risk.nuke wrote: Gigyas you said I contradicted myself by dissagreeing with something you said. You wrote what I said but what did you say I can't find it. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 05:00 GiygaS wrote: I have already stated that I would want an exception to the no pardon rule (before anyone else actually, I stated that the pardoner rule should only be used in aforementioned exceptions). I'm just thinking of a hypothetical situations that we suddenly get a really strong scum-read on somebody, and the majority of people in the thread want to lynch this new guy, but there are a lot of inactives who can't switch their vote because they are afk. Basically, we want to regulate these kind of exceptions so that we don't have no direction when these sitautions arise. This is what I want: When the Pardoner should Pardon: In a period of time of 30 minutes to 3 hours before the lynch, a pardoner can commence an unofficial voting session . All those active int he thread at this time will HAVE to vote either Yes or No to pardon the person in quesiton. This keeps the pardoner power in the hands of the town, and keeps things by and large under control. If anyone has any doubts ont his subject, bring them up, and we may want to change some of the restrictions on this. If there's a stituation that this rule did not think of, I would really feel bad On the subject of rules for elected officials: I believe mayoral candidates should declare who their hidden vote is for. The benefits simply outweigh the negatives. Sure, the mafia gets a better idea of the voting situation, but it gives the mayor far more transparency, and gives us ability to monitor and regulate these powerful roles. On the subject of campaigns, I'm going to be voting for Radfield/Arctocod.and more specifically Arctocod. I feel he's being more transparent than Radfield, and has been raising some good points with good logic. I feel like Radfield has kind of said canned start of game sort of stuff so far, so i don't have any reason to think he's mafia, but I'm not convinced he's totally town either. Again, I'm leaning more int eh way that he's town because he brought up another very good palyer so quickly, who I would believe would be a threat to him if he was a mafia. On to the subject of who I want to vote: I'll be be putting my tentative lynch vote on Zeks. This will turn in to a real vote if I come back in 3 hours and no new info has really been unveilied/no info that's an easy analysis for a lynch. The points against him have been pointed out by Deus-Ex, he wanted to vote a hydra off for really no reason, other than what I can see that he's threatened by them (a mafia would be threatened!) He also dissappeared for a while, and when he returned, he just quickly answered a quesiton, and didn't either reference or defend his accusations. There ya go. | ||
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Hello, this is GiygaS. I am the radical protestor (a blue role). This message should confirm that. I am convinced you are a town player, and I was wondering your opinion on something. This message ability is a one time use, but I have one other power: a message like this one, that once activated kills the person who opened it. First of all, I know you can't pm me, so I want you to give me who to kill another way: 1) But two breaklines (enter keys) at the beginning of your next post when you see this message. This will confirm to me that you've seen the message. 2) On the person you want killed, quote him, mention him, do something related to him and make sure he is the FIRST or ONLY one to be mentioned in this post. I hope this message confirms my innocence to you, and I hope we townies can pull off a victory. | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from? This seems a bit WIFOM to me: because no one knows except for the mafia. Rad could be scum, they may have wanted to target Arc because they were asleep, they wanted pardoner and not mayor, etc etc etc. This is an impossilbe question to answer. | ||
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FTR, I would like to be elected to either SoD or SG, I am a confirmed townie now :/ | ||
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On December 15 2011 15:17 ProfessorBadass wrote: That's not how I interpreted it to work, it's a role with powers but you don't learn what it does until you get elected. Kita can you clarify? That's how I interpreted it too: Is it only shown to you, or the rest of the town as well? | ||
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On December 16 2011 06:36 Radfield wrote: I agree with this. I think risk.nuke is a poor lynch today. His play is scummy, but NOT scum driven from what I can see. ![[image loading]](http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/epic-jackie-chan-template.png) Huh? How is scummy posts not an influence to lynch someone? | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:37 nyczbrandon wrote: The reason i didn't vote for Sheth or Zentor because seemed like majority of people were bandwagoning Spaackle so I did as well. It was like last minute so I wasn't sure what to do. Also I responded to Zentor when he asked me why I said he was changing his votes a lot. I thought I saw him doing this and apoligized to him for wrongfully doubting him. The reason I asked for modkill, because I think I remember Sheth posting that Nisani was the only person to not have voted for lynch. Amazing when you come out of the woodwork as soon as you're accused. | ||
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In our game, people could describe Risk as: - Chaotic - Aggressive - Accusations without evidence - Angry/A bit rude (No offense) In Steamship (Vanilla Townie): - Very well thought-out posts - Clear - Basically all of his accusations have evidence. - Polite, explains things for people clearly when needed. Does anyone else see these differences? | ||
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TNTP went to Graymist with no evidence, and Risk has been tunneling him the entire game (or at least day 1). | ||
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On December 16 2011 10:25 nyczbrandon wrote: I was being rushed to leave because my parents arrived and I had to go home. I just looked at their fillers and didnt see much. I thought that Rafallen being 2 hours before voting might of been coincidental because of him going to finals, but you may be right since I did not analyze the time and that Arcotod had been forced out of the election around the same time. Now that you have more time, you can actually post some content with your suspicions. Go ahead, we're waiting with bated breath. | ||
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On December 16 2011 11:47 nyczbrandon wrote: People said that lynching lurkers is bad and more likely to hit a lurking townie and would rather lynch a poster despite not having much information about both. I don't know if that is just for day 1 specifically but I think that seems like a viable reason for a townie to lurk. Not really. I townie shouldn't be worried about being lynched, especially when no suspicions are even voiced against them. | ||
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On December 17 2011 03:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please. Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople. I hope I'm not the only one that sees that you are directing all conversation. When I get home(on phone) ,I'm gonna look atthe filters of two people, and post what I find. | ||
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prplhz's Filter + Show Spoiler + What did he do that would make a mafia lynch him? He's a vet, this could be enough reason on his own, but let's look at what he did(Key points in bold): - Casts suspicion on Zeks, was near the top of the list to do so - Successfully stopped MrZentor lynch - Mentions that the withdrawal thing might have just been to get Arc out of the position. - Voted for Refallen (later retracted quickly) - Against Spaackle lynch (More for Nisani) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lynch on Spaackle - Initiated the suspicion on Eiii(now dead sorry again guys )- Mentions that Nisani should have been the bandwagon people went on: implied(imo) that mafia probably moved the vote to Spaackle (Radfield? :/) - Put some questions on Risk.Nuke (note: this was around the time that almost everyone and his mom was doing this) So what conclusion can we draw from Prplhz's filter? He was suspicious of Nisani, and Zeks, mainly. While I earlier did say that it could be just vet killing, I believe it was either A) To save either the ass of Nisani or Zeks and B) To stop him from continuing his suspicions on who started the Spaackle bandwagon. C) Vet Killing xksc's filter + Show Spoiler + First of all, I belive more analysis can be drawn from this kill, because he was already under suspicions, and he isn't a big veteran presence like prplhz. So let's look at his filter shall we? - Lots of fluff before he mentions MarserBlood - Against the MrZentor Bandwagon - Mentions MarserBlood again - Started questioning Risk (before the big investigation on him happened) - Voted Spaackles with 10 minutes left (later elaborated on said that he didn't agree with Nisani lynch) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Again on MarserBlood - Again on Risk (this is when investigation was on though) I'm getting very suspicious of MarserBlood now o.O I'll look through his filter now and tell you what I come up with. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:14 GreYMisT wrote: You can't really analyize the reasons behind night kills too much, it creates too much WIFOM. I'm doing it as WIFOM at the moment to create direction. If I look at MarserBlood's filter later on and see that it's scummy, I'm going to use that as evidence, this is only being used as a toll for where to go next for my suspicions. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Giygas you think thats a mafia power? Please tell me why you think that other then just Arctocod said it would be? Freaking sheep. I'm not being a sheep. What town role would be to silence someone? Also, ProfBA is basically quitting, so fuck him. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:52 Arctocod wrote: Sheth for the record you are going to be lynched next once Curu flips red I don't agree with this in the least. | ||
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On December 17 2011 14:53 Curu wrote: And yes you should still be lynching me. I accept that I've put myself into this position with my stubbornness, attitude and activity, just want to say sorry in advance! I'm also fairly pissed off at Erandorr who basically told me that I would get lynched sooner or later because of his non posting then continued to do nothing at all. It became an extremely uphill battle that I didn't want to put effort into facing. Sorry to everyone I was overly aggressive to as well! I let a bit of my rage at my hydra partner spill over into my posting . No hard feelings.Wait, can't you not talk or something? | ||
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. Anyway, I'm gonna be looking at Evantrees and Risk again before the end of the night. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote: That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him. Look at his reaction to even the mention of a dropbear vig. | ||
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). Where does this put us? His death could be placed completely on the fact that he was a vet doing a good job of catching scum... | ||
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On December 20 2011 09:44 jaj22 wrote: Ugh, day 1 so loooong. My eyes are bleeding. It's past my bedtime but Deus's list looks like a good starting point, so I'll try to get a meaningful response together early tomorrow. In the meantime, I provide this piece of retrospective comedy from page 65: >.< Reading through the thread now, but saw this on the page I went to first /facepalm | ||
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On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote: Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now. Day 1 - zeks - MrZentor (claimed blue?) - prplhz (VT) And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too. Day 2 - really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town) - really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass) All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person. And I was just about to filter him Q_Q. I'll still look it over and tell you if I find anything else that's scummy too. | ||
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On December 20 2011 13:56 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I helped start the bandwagon on ProfBA. Then I got off of it whenever I thought Arctocod had went too far. Deus-ex did the same thing and I just was more vocal of my wanting reasoning for kicking him off. Then when ProfBA did his crazy I'm locked in a room thing I was resistant for a bit because it didn't seem very mafia, why wouldn't he use it on someone else for instance, but then I got it and agreed. Was just trying to be smart about it. The bandwagon for his elected position or his lynch? There's no reference in your filter to you starting the bandwagon against him at all, you did not voice any suspicion on him AT ALL until you "saw the logic" AKA the "oh shit he's defs getting lynched now, better ditch him now before it's too late." But for his pardon campaign you said: "If I switched my vote it'd be you" directed to ProfBA. This was around the start of the campaigns for second pardoner too. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I voted for him just to see who would agree / disagree with me. I didn't really think Arctocod had an argument that was worth killing off ProBA, but I wanted to see everyones responses. | ||
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On December 20 2011 15:11 Liquid`Sheth wrote: That was why I joined in on the bandwagon. I get that I was wrong in the end about ProfBA and apparnetly Arcto had an amazing argument, but he didn't post it. I still think if we'd just followed Arcto's maybe I'll post it at the end argument we end up lynching people like Greymist or forcing ppl like Greymist out of hiding. I get that its good if we have a good scum read, but at that point I didn't like Arcto's case. Why are you pushing for the lynch of Greymist who is for now a confirmed medic? I'm voting for you, as I don't see how you "started the bandwagon", as well as already mentioned evidence. Your posting is also very chaotic, and especially at the beginning, you were constantly saying nothing. | ||
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On December 20 2011 16:27 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: I'd like a thorough explanation of this. The vast majority of his posts between these two posts of yours were Sheth defending Greymist. For one, I was against it at that point because I was unsure of Sheth and I hod to actually look at evidence against him other than one period of time where he freaked out. The other thing is that I looked at his filter where he calls blindly being the third vote without an explanation on it ("helping to start the bandwagon"), which he later goes back on saying it was just to freak curu out... :/ | ||
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Page 105 (my case) On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote: Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now. Day 1 - zeks - MrZentor (claimed blue?) - prplhz (VT) And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too. Day 2 - really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town) - really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass) All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person. | ||
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