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 Anyway, I'd like to get my own thoughts down here.First of all, on the prospect of Sheth being mayor/pardoner, I would say no. We don't want someone who is an inexperienced player in that position (He just asked if he could look at other people's games, this showcases his inexperience). As I've only seen one other candidate (I don't plan on running myself for the reasons that I'm not voting for Sheth most likely), I feel like I would vote for him. Why? This isn't because he's the only other candidate, but because what he has said thus far makes sense, and gets us the sense that he is town, based on him readily giving info, as well as (most importantly) trying to get another player who's excellent at the game (especially both of them), on board. That said, I'm not going to vote yet, as well as I won't declare any kind of affiliation to Arctocod yet until I see his own posts. On Jitsu's lynch policy question, I believe in LaL heavily. While there are some exceptions to this rule (a blue protecting himself), in general, a lie is usually sign of Mafia, especially when it is a petty one. An example of a petty lie that I've seen in a game between me and my friends (They are all SO bad), was that someone made the excuse of not reading the thread completely, when the post before the one in question said he was going to read the thread completely and come back to us. I don't think it's any kind of obvious that we need to lynch this kind of lie, as it's a baseless excuse. To finish, I want people to post their policies, as well as their own opinions on mayoral candidates for now. We can't really make any good reads on who's mafia until content starts coming out, and the best way of doing that is to get some discussion flowing around who we want as mayor/pardoner. Remember, a mafia can hide easily in a quiet/inactive town. To fix this, let's get some content and activity going! | ||
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Finally @Prof: WHY should we vote for you? Don't just say "I'm running lol." | ||
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@Dropbear: It's important we get these things done now so we don't A) Have a misinterpretation that bite's our asses down the line B) Have no regulation and let mafia run free in the elected positions. We should make a constitution for the elected officials | ||
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On December 12 2011 23:56 zeks wrote: Note that the mayor has 2 votes, 1 being hidden And he can decide ties So in essence in some cases its like having 3 votes (in close voting races) so the mayor is a really really strong role compared to Pardoner. Get Radfield to Mayor and Arc or whoever to Pardoner I have very little time, so I can only write a few sentences. So how the hell does a potential 3 votes beat the ability to crush all votes? It means he can save 2 scummates from being lynched! | ||
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When the Pardoner should Pardon: In a period of time of 30 minutes to 3 hours before the lynch, a pardoner can commence an unofficial voting session . All those active int he thread at this time will HAVE to vote either Yes or No to pardon the person in quesiton. This keeps the pardoner power in the hands of the town, and keeps things by and large under control. If anyone has any doubts ont his subject, bring them up, and we may want to change some of the restrictions on this. If there's a stituation that this rule did not think of, I would really feel bad  On the subject of rules for elected officials: I believe mayoral candidates should declare who their hidden vote is for. The benefits simply outweigh the negatives. Sure, the mafia gets a better idea of the voting situation, but it gives the mayor far more transparency, and gives us ability to monitor and regulate these powerful roles. On the subject of campaigns, I'm going to be voting for Radfield/Arctocod.and more specifically Arctocod. I feel he's being more transparent than Radfield, and has been raising some good points with good logic. I feel like Radfield has kind of said canned start of game sort of stuff so far, so i don't have any reason to think he's mafia, but I'm not convinced he's totally town either. Again, I'm leaning more int eh way that he's town because he brought up another very good palyer so quickly, who I would believe would be a threat to him if he was a mafia. On to the subject of who I want to vote: I'll be be putting my tentative lynch vote on Zeks. This will turn in to a real vote if I come back in 3 hours and no new info has really been unveilied/no info that's an easy analysis for a lynch. The points against him have been pointed out by Deus-Ex, he wanted to vote a hydra off for really no reason, other than what I can see that he's threatened by them (a mafia would be threatened!) He also dissappeared for a while, and when he returned, he just quickly answered a quesiton, and didn't either reference or defend his accusations. | ||
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On December 13 2011 05:18 GreYMisT wrote: how can it be a majority decision if the majority is offline? Somethign around 40% of people in Canada voted, yet we have a majorty government that's by and large accepted. If the majority players ONLINE pick something, then there may be some protests from the inactives, but it should be a "no until proven yes" sort of thing. The exception should only be brought up if BIG info happens, that radically changes the way a LOT of people who are online are thinking about a lynch, in a short amount of time before the lynch. Like I said, this situation is rare, but it could happen, and we should use the pardoner to it's potential if this does happen. Anyway, my comp science class is ending so I have to go for around 4 hours, peace. | ||
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IMO there are 4 candidates for lynching atm, I'm going to look 'em all over and say my thoughts on them: stay tuned. | ||
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1) Zeks: Let's be honest, I'm not going to rehash what we have against him as it's been said multiple times already. If you don't know, read the thread and you'll see. That said, his responses since my initial accusation have been sufficient and calmly answered with good logic behind them, so I am removing my vote for now, as others (as in Eii) are. 2) Dropbear: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 13:39 Spaackle wrote: Lynching a lurker should be our ABSOLUTE last option. Rather than taking them out of the game, we should instead make as much of an effort to bring them into the discussions as we can. I'll start by saying that DropBear is looking a bit scummy to me. He makes a post telling us to vote for him, not lynch a hydra, endorses Radfield, and discourages discussion on the mayor and pardoner roles. He then promptly disappears off the face of the planet, reappearing only to dodge a bit of poking from arctocod. DropBear's filter + Show Spoiler + LOL Kavdragon the village idiot. I am running for mayor too I've played over 10 games with a reasonable win rate. I also have been sniped really early the last few times I've played due to nailing mafia early and want to last longer this time. I suck horribly at lying and am really obvious as a Mafia so you know what you are getting. I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people. I would endorse Radfield other than myself as he is easily the best player here and I feel is also not that hard to tell his alignment. These posts about what the mayor and pardoner do and why they are important are basically spam. We can read we know what the roles do. Focus on who we are electing and why rather than clutter the thread. Cos this tactic worked so well last time Palmar -_- DropBear's scumminess makes some sense here: Throw in your bid for mayor, just so that scum can have a bid, then, when you see that it isn't going well, vanish in the confusion of the arguments of the other candidates. DropBear, please give us some more information: prove to us that you are not scum, because right now, you look pretty scummy. I'm casing my lynch vote right now for DropBear To clarify: I'm not changing my mind in the same post: I still think that lynching all lurkers is a bad thing. I'm using my vote in this case to put some pressure on a very scummy looking lurker to try and draw him back into the discussion. If DropBear can prove to me that he's not scum, my vote will go somewhere else. This is what Spaackle has said on him. And I'm starting to agree with him, especially because on of our vets actually declared suspicion on Dropbear but noone really payed any attention to it: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 15:37 Arctocod wrote: Dropbear is suspicious based his very first post because he is making a ridiculous assumption about our activity in order to prevent us from being elected. The main point of me and palmar being hydras is that we know each others alignment and can thus freely discuss everything. It has nothing to do with activity and I can assure you we will be very active. Why would dropbear want to make that assumption? The townie motivation for it is quite weak as activity is something that will speak for itself. FoS on Dropbear 3) MrZentor Honestly, I don't see why people are really going on this guy: All of his posts could be theoretically made by an inactive or bad townie, and he only has 30 posts. That said, the support against him is also pretty weak, as I tend to see a lot of newer players jump on bandwagons (especially early on in the game), in their first games. One so new can feel threatened by what people are saying and just sort of latch on to the concrete thing, which was at that time votes on Zeks. Personally, I don't think he's even 50% town (more like 40%), but a relatively null-read is hard to base a decision off of. 4) Eii: #1 Not really strong, as it's been pretty well defended with good logic, but it's some circumstantial evidence nonetheless: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 13:29 Eiii wrote: I'm going to be voting for one of the hydras, in all likelihood-- from my experience, multi-person players (especially with experienced, devoted mafia players behind them) can absolutely wreck games like this. Having a pro-town hydra behind a bodyguard should be town's goal for today, in my opinion. On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote: I'm going to be voting Radfield for mayor/pardoner. He would be good to have in either role, and now that he's posted some more I'm pretty confident that he's legit. If anyone hasn't looked at the election voting thread yet, it's literally all rad/arc, so it looks like our candidates are decided unless anyone has some major objections. Why not vote for the hydra (the kind of person you want in?) You even mention the perfect candidate in Arc :/ #2: Already making excuses: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote: I'm not going to lie, I generally don't really have any clue what's going on day 1, and this game is no exception. There is literally no reason for a town to say this. The only reason I can actually come up with this is: A) Adding fluff, which is Mafia logic B) Setting up an excuse if he get's caught on anything in Day 1 #3 He kind of hopped on my Zeks bandwagon :/ Overall this is only enough for an FoS, but I want to see how he responds: FoS on Eiii 5) Jitsu: I really don't see any merit to what Greymist has been saying. They are just really weak arguments against someone IMO | ||
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Second, the Greymist "bandwagon" isn't even that. A bandwagon is when somebody votes for somebody or FoSes them or something and someone jumps on that bandwagon with little to no real reasoning behind their decision other than, "yeah he's got good points". I don't think anyone has actually truly considered greymist's points on Jitsu atm, based on him just saying what do you think of my points on Jitsu? over and over and over again. This is NOT a Bandwagon whatsoever, it's actually just saying I see no merit in the ideas, which a lot of other people have said before, but nonetheless he was a candidate. You were NOT the creator of this so-called bandwagon, I would argue it's the people who have been ignoring Greymist's post until prompted would be the people. | ||
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