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On December 15 2011 23:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote: EBWOP : Just woke up, meant to say "If I said I'm getting a really scum read on Giygas would anyone know why?" No, he is pretty much a confirmed townie
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On December 16 2011 00:35 GreYMisT wrote: Ok with the confirmation from kiyamsn that the runner up does recieve a unique power, we should defiantly elect Giygad into that position. The reason for this is because, as I said before, he has already announced his role. Therefor, the potential drawback that his role would be revealed to the mafia is null, as it already has been. Arcto should still be elected in the 1st position because he has not yet revealed his role, and that happening could be detrimental to the town (although he is already a pretty big target if his hit claim is true.) What are you talking about? Where did everyone get the idea that Secretary of Defense's role will be announced in public? All it says is that no one will know what the position does until elections are over, and even then only the person elected into that position will be told about it.
Your role will be revealed to you upon election!
Giygas should be the Surgeon General
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On December 16 2011 00:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 00:30 Cwave wrote:On December 16 2011 00:09 Arctocod wrote:On December 15 2011 23:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote: EBWOP : Just woke up, meant to say "If I said I'm getting a really scum read on Giygas would anyone know why?" No, he is pretty much a confirmed townie Herpederp, can you respond to my question about who you think are scum. Who do you got a read/case on? On December 15 2011 02:58 Arctocod wrote: Probably Comprissent/Marserblood or Dropbear. Dropbear disappeared completely once the pressure was off and last time appeared quite quickly after being called out This is the only active stance you take on who is red. Rest is "problaly green this, problaly green that". Do you have any good solid reads on someone? Or are you gonna vote on Dropbear(bumatlarge)? My vote stands on GiygaS for the election for now. Don't be an idiot. GiygaS is basically confirmed town. But we're currently working through an excel sheet of all the reads in the game, we'll probably have some kind of a conclusion tomorrow. Both Syllo and I suck at finding scum, we're really good at finding townies though, so we're using the process of elimination to find them. chill and be less useless until we're ready.
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oh wait, your election vote is on giygas, I approve of that.
Syllo and I want the secretary of defense thing, giygas should get the surgeon general
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On December 16 2011 02:53 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Relevant part of post from earlier: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2011 17:15 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=Alland from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=AllI'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. /Harbinger Arctocod, I'm assuming at least one of your halves has played with Greymist when he was town before, does he normally play like this as town? In steamship, as scum, he was on the top two vote getters day 1 and day 2, here he already managed to get a vote in on every one of the top 3 vote getters on day 1. Also, as I'm sure most people are aware, some people are just easier to get lynched than others due to the way they play. Scum obviously love to push for lynches that they think will be easiest to pull off. Two of the people getting votes yesterday were Nisani and MrZentor. Show nested quote +So for now ##Unvote: MrZentor and ##Vote: Nisani201 until he can provide me reason not to. This is a quote from Greymist. From Steamship. Scum preying on the same players as he did in a previous game? Seems quite plausible to me. Palmar is gone for the day so he can't comment on that but greymist at least been very active and appeared to start scum hunting early. Doesn't look like a good target for the day. I'm struggling with all these low content players I'm not familiar with. Comprissant and Marserblood in particular look awful to me.
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Supersoft why are you alive? Is annul going to play today?
Rad while your play on the whole looks solid, I can't help but to return to the way the lynch went.
"I'm voting for evantrees. Anyone who wants to follow me is more than welcome. "
"That's actually a pretty good point ProBad. Lets go with Spaackle."
"Lets solve the risk.nuke question on another day. I say we hit spaackle."
While that's something I could say, that doesn't really look like typical radfield behavior. You even acknowledged after xlviii that your play was too passive and you need to be more confident and now you just randomly switch to someone and barely justify it?
Mrzentor: Claim please. Full claim.
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That ability isn't that strong, we can probably just use it today to "confirm" you. And no you won't be elected into anything.
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MrZentor send in your action to extend the day
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No offense, but that is really convoluted and such a role would never be used in a TL game unless Caller was hosting it. The simplest explanation is usually correct and that would more like be the 0.1% explanation for the events.
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There will be no roles that intentionally mislead players to such a degree. Everything about giygas' behavior screamed town. Even if there was <<5% chance that he could do everything he did as mafia, mafia is a game of probabilities and the way to win is to assume the likeliest scenario correct until new evidence puts your previous theory into question. Useful theories prove that something is likely. Theories that prove something is possible are useless.
While theorycrafting is fun, Giygas is almost certainly town, thus assume that he is and spend your effort and time elsewhere.
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Sheth: the simplest answer is that mafia thought that it was worth the risk; there are a lot of new players in the game and medics rarely do what they are told (assuming that's why I survived). Mafia could have also assumed that precisely because all the medics were told to protect me, they would not expect mafia to shoot me and ergo protect someone else. It's a typical scenario really, but I think it was a poor decision.
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On December 16 2011 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:00 Arctocod wrote: MrZentor send in your action to extend the day Did you do this exclusively to confirm his claim guy? Like, was there any other reason to have him burn that power today? It is optimal to use it today and as early as possible, assuming Rad's claim about there being a role blocker that can act during day and night is true (well actually I'm pretty sure it's true, the question is whether he was really blocked). It is optimal because there is always a chance he gets shot if he is town, people were suspicious of him and I think the extra 24h will be most helpful today. The more players there are in the game, the more time we need to shift through posts and therefore it's best to use it as early as possible, though probably not on day 1. Further, I don't think it's a good reactive ability, as suddenly postponing the lynch will just cause unnecessary chaos.
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His play seems very strange if he is scum. He is attracting a lot of attention, posting quite a bit and being aggressive. His latest post about changing his style also feels genuine to me. I don't see what makes him more likely scum than all the useless people we've around. While he isn't one of my strongest town reads, I don't think he is a good target.
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You could look into cascades/evan/marser/nyc
That's not the full list of acceptable lynches today, just a list of people who I haven't today yet looked into. Marser is there because I can't quite tell.
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I'm not saying mafia would never do this, I'm saying mafia are less likely to do it. When we have 5 scum to find, it's not optimal to go after such a person, unless someone can actually make a case as to why his actions make him likely scum.
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Pretty sure curu is scum; he thinks he can get away AGAIN with not posting now that day was extended, pretends he doesn't know why Erandorr isn't posting/caring when I know for almost a fact he does. Wanted to lynch risk on day 1 but when rad disagreed with him he quickly offered another alternative, despite sounding quite convinced that risk is scum. Note this is despite the fact that he claims to be suspicious of radfield. Erandorr wouldn't join a game and then not post... unless he rolled scum.
Should probably just lynch him today
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Also it appears suboptimal to make me withdraw if another decent townie is just going to replace me. Much better to save the power for another day
##vote ProfessorBadass
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No, he can't pardon himself. We are almost certainly lynching him. I realize the case above isn't very convincing to those who don't know the players involved, but it's good. I prefer the no effort approach to case making especially when i'm a confirmed townie, but perhaps I palmar can write a longer one later.
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You are the Pardoner. Twice per game you may pardon a player, nullifying all votes against the player during the lynch. You must submit your pardon before the end of the day cycle and may not pardon yourself. You also share the protection of the mayoral bodyguard and are protected from all actions, excluding role blocks.
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Fine, then we will lynch you next if you refuse to comply.
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