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On December 16 2011 02:59 Jitsu wrote:
Not sure if it's relevant, but I kind of have that scum feeling with risk, although I have nothing to substantiate it. Will check filters for evidence. Still feel Comprissent is somewhat scummy.
Hey risk, just wondering, but who do you think would be good to look at for possible scum-evidence, and why do you feel that way?
Please elaborate on why i'm scummy, I know i've been a bit inactive, and that's probably most of any reason to mistake me for scum. I've noticed you only really appear to post after I post, and attempt to direct discussion onto me. If you recall I never said I suspected you of scum, in fact I said I did not think you were such. There's also really no motive for me to change my mind, according to you I haven't done anything scummy but rather just 'picked you out of a hat', which upset you
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On December 16 2011 03:51 Jitsu wrote:
Yeah, by that logic, I would be all over GreYMisT too. I get a towny-feel from him.
Conversely, you bandwagon-ed against me from GreY's post without any analysis of your own, pretty sure. At least, I just checked the filter, and you pretty much said "Yeah, player A and player B would be good lynches I feel. That being said, let's lynch Jitsu." Logic.
Yes it was something I immediately recognized and did not vote for you because of that. There ended up being no solid analysis for anyone day1, and we ended up lynching a blue, no surprise
Also, will you all please spell my name right >.<
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Hi again folks
@Sheth, I haven't been posting much recently since I don't feel like I have enough background to contribute anything to the discussion. I really, really dislike playing with hydras (especially ones that keep referencing previous game behavior and using it as basis for building a case on eachother. If I had it my way, I would insist spirit of the game dictates players only use info/playstyle from the current game). This bullshit just confuses me more than anything to add much, and with everybody not referencing them by their hydra names it doesn't help me at all.
I have been attempting to analyze the target who were hit last night. Xsksc, prplhz, and (assuming he is telling the truth,) Arcotod. So far, there is so little in common I really can't tie anything together, which initially made me conclude that the mafia are either brilliant in picking their targets, or are just random-firing at anything not red.
Xsksc had the least activity so I picked him first to look up on to see why mafia would want to go for him.
Here, he says he would lynch profBA on a hunch (just intuition)
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2011 21:32 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:20 Radfield wrote:On December 13 2011 21:19 xsksc wrote:On December 13 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:On December 13 2011 20:45 DropBear wrote:
- I want to hear more from xsksc. He was extremely active in Steamship and Newbie Mafia, he has all of three posts here.
I agree with this. xsksc's play is very different so far previous games I have seen him in. He's around but not contributing. Sure. I'm here, I just don't know what to discuss right now. My election vote's already decided. I don't really have any reads right now as it's so early. What would you guys like me to talk about? If you had to lynch someone right now who would you lynch? If zeks, jitsu, gigyas, dropbear and MrZentor were all getting lynched today, and you could pardon as many of them as you wanted, which ones would you pardon? If I had to lynch someone right now on a hunch I would lynch Prof Badass. If I had to pardon one of the above, I'd probably pardon Dropbear. His filter looks the most pro-town at the moment, more so than the others at least. Obviously this is just vibes and feelings at the moment, I don't have anything solid to go on yet.
This really doesn't tell me anything as he isn't even sure of his own reasoning
Later on he points out Marserblood's poor attempts to get in on 'safe' picks
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 09:13 xsksc wrote:Sheth's filter reads enthusiastic townie to me, I don't see much of a case on him. I'd prefer to lynch someone like this guy: Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:40 MarserBlood wrote:
Since I don't know if I get back online before the deadline, I'll vote for MrZentor, because he made that strange post that felt scummy to me and I don't have any other persons that I found obvious scum.
Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:02 MarserBlood wrote:
Ill be voting for Radfield also. Since he is an experienced player and because of the reasons others say.
These are terrible justifications for voting. MarserBlood looks like scum trying to fit in and get on the safest lynch possible.
Later on he re-quotes himself and asks why nobody has picked up on his case. Might be a free reason to mafia to hit him with minimal suspicion, but this is unlikely imo.
He then pressures risk.nuke into making a case on Greymist here:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 12:02 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 12:00 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 11:56 xsksc wrote:On December 14 2011 11:54 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 11:51 risk.nuke wrote:
How about we go with greymist based on the fact that even thoguh his name have come up multiple times not a single one supports the idea to the slightest. If we assume mafia won't influence to get one of their scumbuddies lynched that makes him an as good as and better candidate then anyone else. And if I'm wrong all my towncred is gone and you can try to lynch me tomorrow. my name has only come up multiple times only by you, and even though i have asked for your actual reasoning like 4 times, you always ignore it. If you wanted us to lynch Grey, Risk, why not make a strong case on him? You're so sure of him being scum, but I haven't seen anything scummy about his play thus far. I know you're capable of making a good case, I've seen you do it before, why not now? It's much harder then it looks to make a strong case day 1. The example that was brought up before. I suspected Toad and Ciryandor to be scum. My gut told me Ciryandor (who was scum) but I could build a good case on Toad who then turned up to be town. Altough in my defense he kept playing scummy and half the observer QT was convinced he was scum. That's fair enough if you only feel someone is suspicious day 1, but you seem almost adamant that Greymist is scum. What reasons do you have for this? Why would you expect us to lynch him just because you say so?
So thus far i've been looking into Greymist/risk.nuke
All i keep getting is this 'WIFOM' crap and theory that I can't really prove
If mafia wants to hit risk, this post makes me believe they will think twice about hitting him
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 11:42 risk.nuke wrote:
No scum would ever play the way I am doing right now. Scum doesn't want to be the ones who takes action. So say I'm scum and I lynch greymist who then would be town. Next day I would have to fight for my life not to get lynched not to mention all my town cred would be gone. Tell me that is scumplay.
Suspicion would immediately fall on Greymist, but's that easily avoided by not hitting him.
I won't even try to start on prplhz/Arc now. I've found near all of their actions conflicting. Arc was suspicious of Badass at the start, prplhz believes badass is a poor lynch target. Arc then suspects dropbear's play, while prplhz wants Nisani and Refallen lynched. Arc then 'uses?' Gigya's gift to blow up Eiii, due to prplhz's reasoning. So confusing. Makes this scenario where mafia withhold a kp and just tell Arc to announce he's been hit seem more likely. But there's almost no chance of this actually being true. Motivation is a whole nother monster to consider
Most of this might just be stream of conscious, let me know what everyone's thoughts are.
I will try to post more later, i've got exam review today and then a league of legends lan tonight (where i have to stomp some school scrubs), so i'll do my best to be around.
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On December 17 2011 04:57 GiygaS wrote:
God damnit, I got ninja'd in my idea >.<
Hah
I will echo your conclusions, Marserblood and Nisani/VE are the ones who I was going to take a look into next
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On December 17 2011 05:14 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 04:57 GiygaS wrote:I'm going to analyse the dead player's filters. prplhz's Filter+ Show Spoiler +What did he do that would make a mafia lynch him? He's a vet, this could be enough reason on his own, but let's look at what he did(Key points in bold): - Casts suspicion on Zeks, was near the top of the list to do so - Successfully stopped MrZentor lynch - Mentions that the withdrawal thing might have just been to get Arc out of the position. - Voted for Refallen (later retracted quickly) - Against Spaackle lynch (More for Nisani)---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lynch on Spaackle - Initiated the suspicion on Eiii(now dead sorry again guys  ) - Mentions that Nisani should have been the bandwagon people went on: implied(imo) that mafia probably moved the vote to Spaackle (Radfield? :/) - Put some questions on Risk.Nuke (note: this was around the time that almost everyone and his mom was doing this) So what conclusion can we draw from Prplhz's filter? He was suspicious of Nisani, and Zeks, mainly. While I earlier did say that it could be just vet killing, I believe it was either A) To save either the ass of Nisani or Zeks and B) To stop him from continuing his suspicions on who started the Spaackle bandwagon. C) Vet Killing
First of all, I belive more analysis can be drawn from this kill, because he was already under suspicions, and he isn't a big veteran presence like prplhz. So let's look at his filter shall we?
- Lots of fluff before he mentions MarserBlood
- Against the MrZentor Bandwagon
- Mentions MarserBlood again
- Started questioning Risk (before the big investigation on him happened)
- Voted Spaackles with 10 minutes left (later elaborated on said that he didn't agree with Nisani lynch)
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- Again on MarserBlood
- Again on Risk (this is when investigation was on though)
I'm getting very suspicious of MarserBlood now o.O I'll look through his filter now and tell you what I come up with.
You can't really analyize the reasons behind night kills too much, it creates too much WIFOM.
So you would argue the hits were completely random?
And we should just ignore trying to explain any of the motivation for these kills?
I find it hard to believe scum would just pick targets at random. There has to be some reasoning behind their hits
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On December 17 2011 05:27 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:18 Comprissent wrote:On December 17 2011 05:14 GreYMisT wrote:On December 17 2011 04:57 GiygaS wrote:I'm going to analyse the dead player's filters. prplhz's Filter+ Show Spoiler +What did he do that would make a mafia lynch him? He's a vet, this could be enough reason on his own, but let's look at what he did(Key points in bold): - Casts suspicion on Zeks, was near the top of the list to do so - Successfully stopped MrZentor lynch - Mentions that the withdrawal thing might have just been to get Arc out of the position. - Voted for Refallen (later retracted quickly) - Against Spaackle lynch (More for Nisani)---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lynch on Spaackle - Initiated the suspicion on Eiii(now dead sorry again guys ) - Mentions that Nisani should have been the bandwagon people went on: implied(imo) that mafia probably moved the vote to Spaackle (Radfield? :/) - Put some questions on Risk.Nuke (note: this was around the time that almost everyone and his mom was doing this) So what conclusion can we draw from Prplhz's filter? He was suspicious of Nisani, and Zeks, mainly. While I earlier did say that it could be just vet killing, I believe it was either A) To save either the ass of Nisani or Zeks and B) To stop him from continuing his suspicions on who started the Spaackle bandwagon. C) Vet Killing
First of all, I belive more analysis can be drawn from this kill, because he was already under suspicions, and he isn't a big veteran presence like prplhz. So let's look at his filter shall we?
- Lots of fluff before he mentions MarserBlood
- Against the MrZentor Bandwagon
- Mentions MarserBlood again
- Started questioning Risk (before the big investigation on him happened)
- Voted Spaackles with 10 minutes left (later elaborated on said that he didn't agree with Nisani lynch)
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- Again on MarserBlood
- Again on Risk (this is when investigation was on though)
I'm getting very suspicious of MarserBlood now o.O I'll look through his filter now and tell you what I come up with.
You can't really analyize the reasons behind night kills too much, it creates too much WIFOM. So you would argue the hits were completely random? And we should just ignore trying to explain any of the motivation for these kills? I find it hard to believe scum would just pick targets at random. There has to be some reasoning behind their hits Of course there is reasoning. that is not what WIFOM means. it means that you cannot predict the reasoning behind someone's actions when they are fully aware their actions will be scrutinized. For example, you might conclude prp died to take suspicion off of zeks, but what if mafia knew that and killed prp so we would think that is just what they were doing and zeks is really town? or maybe....
At the least it narrows a suspect list considerably. We can at least keep this in mind and reevaluate the suspects and their later actions
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On December 17 2011 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sheth and GiygaS calm down...mafia can hide when people go back and forth and back and forth.
Implying they aren't already hiding behind the ProfBA/Arc drama?
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On December 17 2011 06:06 Jitsu wrote:
Also, something to note: When the pressure came on hard on Curu, Comprissent came out for the defense, trying to divert attention onto other things.
Excuse me?
I am trying to defend what? I have not even mentioned which way my lynch vote would go. As of now, professorbadass is an easy lynch since he has given up for town. I don't want him on my side anymore if he won't try to win for town. If he's scum, all the better he's gone
If you are bothering to read the thread, you'll find Greymist did the exact same thing as me a few posts later, simply analyze the town hits. Go by your own logic and suspect him too, why don't you
Every time I post you try to tie me into something that's completely untrue. I don't think you're mafia, because you would have given up your attempts to bandwagon me a long time ago when you realized nobody else is picking it up. Try to read posts with an open mind before reading them under the assumption i'm scum. Because honestly, if you keep doing it this way, you're not going to help us catch any mafia.
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On December 17 2011 06:20 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:15 Comprissent wrote:On December 17 2011 06:06 Jitsu wrote:
Also, something to note: When the pressure came on hard on Curu, Comprissent came out for the defense, trying to divert attention onto other things. Excuse me? I am trying to defend what? I have not even mentioned which way my lynch vote would go. As of now, professorbadass is an easy lynch since he has given up for town. I don't want him on my side anymore if he won't try to win for town. If he's scum, all the better he's gone If you are bothering to read the thread, you'll find Greymist did the exact same thing as me a few posts later, simply analyze the town hits. Go by your own logic and suspect him too, why don't youEvery time I post you try to tie me into something that's completely untrue. I don't think you're mafia, because you would have given up your attempts to bandwagon me a long time ago when you realized nobody else is picking it up. Try to read posts with an open mind before reading them under the assumption i'm scum. Because honestly, if you keep doing it this way, you're not going to help us catch any mafia. I never say didn't pick up on it. I also didn't say I wasn't suspecting him. The accusation was against you. If it bothers you so much, just ignore me and keep looking for mafia. I do read posts from an open mind, and I'm also tunneling you for a reason. And for the record, I am trying to help catch mafia. I think your words for voting for ProfBA is a good one. But keep in mind, we vote to find/lynch mafia - not to rid ourselves of useless town players. Vote based on that, not based on the inability to play as a townie correctly.
An accusation that didn't make sense whatsoever, as I wasn't trying to defend anyone.
And just for the record, I have been trying to ignore you. But your posts *analysing* me have been completely useless and unhelpful for trying to scumhunt. So useless that I thought it was necessary to finally call you out on it. You are not reading my posts from an open mind, since you have already decided to be suspicious of me.
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On December 17 2011 06:30 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:26 Comprissent wrote:On December 17 2011 06:20 Jitsu wrote:On December 17 2011 06:15 Comprissent wrote:On December 17 2011 06:06 Jitsu wrote:
Also, something to note: When the pressure came on hard on Curu, Comprissent came out for the defense, trying to divert attention onto other things. Excuse me? I am trying to defend what? I have not even mentioned which way my lynch vote would go. As of now, professorbadass is an easy lynch since he has given up for town. I don't want him on my side anymore if he won't try to win for town. If he's scum, all the better he's gone If you are bothering to read the thread, you'll find Greymist did the exact same thing as me a few posts later, simply analyze the town hits. Go by your own logic and suspect him too, why don't youEvery time I post you try to tie me into something that's completely untrue. I don't think you're mafia, because you would have given up your attempts to bandwagon me a long time ago when you realized nobody else is picking it up. Try to read posts with an open mind before reading them under the assumption i'm scum. Because honestly, if you keep doing it this way, you're not going to help us catch any mafia. I never say didn't pick up on it. I also didn't say I wasn't suspecting him. The accusation was against you. If it bothers you so much, just ignore me and keep looking for mafia. I do read posts from an open mind, and I'm also tunneling you for a reason. And for the record, I am trying to help catch mafia. I think your words for voting for ProfBA is a good one. But keep in mind, we vote to find/lynch mafia - not to rid ourselves of useless town players. Vote based on that, not based on the inability to play as a townie correctly. An accusation that didn't make sense whatsoever, as I wasn't trying to defend anyone. And just for the record, I have been trying to ignore you. But your posts *analysing* me have been completely useless and unhelpful for trying to scumhunt. So useless that I thought it was necessary to finally call you out on it. You are not reading my posts from an open mind, since you have already decided to be suspicious of me. Good! So the pressure is working, than.
Less of it being pressure, more so of it trying to stop your analyses from being useless
I'm packing up all my equipment to move it across campus for my league of legends lan shortly, I'll be able to reply sporadically if at all possible for the next several hours
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On December 17 2011 07:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Kita, ProfBad locking himself in the house, did he use it on himself or don't we know that. I'm asking because the post makes it sound like he did and if we're not supposed to know who did it it's purposly misleading
There's possibility one of his scum buddies could have used it. But as this point, would that even matter?
It makes more sense for him to use an ability rather than another mafia, since he is most likely being lynched tonight mafia would want as many options as they have able to be used later on
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On December 17 2011 12:51 Radfield wrote:
We only have 13 of 21 people voting for election right now. I want everyone to put their vote in next time they are online.
Keep in mind we want GiygaS in #1(Surgeon General), and Arctocod in #2(Defense). Please place your votes accordingly.
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Are we planning on a third candidate in case scum have another shot at making someone withdraw?
As for second lynch, i'm too wiped to analyze filters right now. Beating up noobs in LoL is too tiring
I will be taking a first look at marserblood/VE after looking up on the shot people's filters
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On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote:
I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections?
This isn't going to work, the 2-shot medic is only allowed to use one protection tonight
You are the Surgeon General! Upon election, you have the ability to secretly grant target player the role of 2 shot-medic. You may not grant yourself this ability. The medic may not protect themselves. Only one protection may be used per night. If the bodyguard lives, the Mayor/Pardoner may not be targeted by this action. The medic's role will not be included in their role description upon death.
Just curious Arc, you want medic protection on Radfield despite your suspicion of him and his recent inactivity? Or is this still keeping with our 'protecting the best scum hunters' policy?
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On December 18 2011 12:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Guess we should save it for the post game, but I wonder why curu flipped like he did. Possibly to draw sympathy unvotes?
maybe more was going on at that time that we didnt notice, I'll have to reread that whole section.
I don't even know. There's too much background between those vets that I can't even begin to understand wtf happened...
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On December 18 2011 13:35 evantrees wrote:
Nice job VisceraEyes and hmm one sub killed the other.
Debated not posting this due to the complaints but eh whatever.
Why no vote for the election Comprissent, Zeks , and MarserBlood?
and Cascades you messed up the format.
Also no lynch vote from MarserBlood and risk.nuke.
No vote for either from Marser just leads to modkill i believe?
(ooo i'm double posting, i feel like a badasss)
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On December 19 2011 16:14 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 15:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Looks like I missed...
(I only looked at Lynch thread, thinking everyone would vote in both, I was way off)
Comprissent
Zeks
Cascades
So those 3 and
risk.nuke
marserblood I went over this though they hadn't voted as well. Comprissent voted gigyas instead of giygas Zeks voted gigyas as well Cascades missed a # all tried to vote, though not sure if the screw ups count against them or not.
Bah, spelling fail (And shame on me for doing so when I asked earlier in this thread for people to stop misspelling my name -.-)
So i'm gathering filters are broken? Sheth help pls :S
One more final tomorrow around noon then I can return to posting consistently
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OKAY
I am finished with my last final. My brain hurts. But here goes, what I have so far; VE is gone so filtering him won't do me too much good. As for Marserblood, his filter just seems mostly confusion for me.
This post stands out as a really poor policy
On December 15 2011 10:55 MarserBlood wrote:
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I think its rather good to lynch the last second, because that way you have the most information, especially when time runs that thin.
He's just been replaced by jaj, who only has 4 posts for now so I can't really say I know anything.
Oh and there's been a bandwagon started on me while I was away, awesome
Jitsu, you've got your facts screwed up again, I haven't been lurking just to defend myself, it's been you who keeps coming in and tunneling me AFTER I post (No shit I will post within the next few pages, else I am modkilled for inactivity)
I know you all want me to try and post scum reads, I've done what I can during finals; if you want to dump on my attempt at an analysis, fine, go ahead. I'm a terrible analyst/comprehensive reader (hence the engineering major), and I feel terribly behind the thread atm, so i'll do the best I can.
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I think i'm getting dragged off to a 'celebratory' dinner for finals with my suite, so it looks like i wont be around for lynch time.
It really seems like i'm being bandwagoned into a lynch just because of my 'lack of activity'
If you're going to lynch me just to buy time to get reds, then that's cool as long as you have a plan and don't fuck up tonight like last night and get reds
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