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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 29 2011 04:37 GMT
#2761
Also before my connection goes off( I'm travelling) I'm refallen not redfallen. Chances are I won't get Internet any more today so gl town.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 29 2011 04:39 GMT
#2762
Oh and another reason i think that jaj22 might be scum: someone pointed out that its odd that rad was shot when risk implied that he was picking a protect power. notice the fact that jaj has not posted since after he sent in his plan. Its plausable that he sent in the kill on rad, and wasnt around for when risk announced his bluff.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
December 29 2011 12:27 GMT
#2763
On December 29 2011 12:56 GreYMisT wrote:
The double lynch plan was the one that jaj sent you. when he explained them to us why in the name of god did he not think that fully revealing its nature would be beneficial?

Because it's a complete irrelevance when there's only one scum remaining. I just couldn't be bothered to paraphrase it

On December 29 2011 13:39 GreYMisT wrote:
Oh and another reason i think that jaj22 might be scum: someone pointed out that its odd that rad was shot when risk implied that he was picking a protect power. notice the fact that jaj has not posted since after he sent in his plan. Its plausable that he sent in the kill on rad, and wasnt around for when risk announced his bluff.

This one, however, is absolutely true. I was aiming to concede today anyway, as I lost the will to post cases somewhere in the middle of day 5. Kinda wanted to see the military plans first in case they were something like "kill all odd-numbered players".

I am the mafia Black Mailer! Twice per game, I may nullify all election votes for target player. My action cannot be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the election cycle.

Big thumbs up to my scumbuddies Cascades and Sheth for sticking out a game despite a really bad situation. Big thumbs down to the veterans for getting killed for bad reasons.

ScumQT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/HtbewFxEK9ba

And finally a message for anyone reading this thread who's thinking about playing TL Mafia:
Ok, so you've read a few games, you think you can pick out scum and you're capable of writing a decent forum post. On the other hand, you can't play SC2 multiplayer because it's too stressful and you often lay awake at night worrying about forum posts. If this sounds like you, DO NOT PLAY TL MAFIA. It will kill you.

gg guys.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 29 2011 12:35 GMT
#2764
Good effort jaj22
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 29 2011 13:17 GMT
#2765
Yeah, well played jaj22, I'll tell you right now that playing town is a lot less stressful.

gg everyone.
Computer says mafia
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 29 2011 14:10 GMT
#2766
Sorry it got rough on you jaj, I think you played well. A little sad that you choose to concede but I sympathise with your situation.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 29 2011 14:15 GMT
#2767
GG gang. Well played by the scum team on the whole I think.

A couple nice plays by townies early on put them in trouble, and they just couldn't keep up with the townies who were getting confirmed.

A good game all around, and probably one of my worst late-game performances. I just didn't have the time to get it done. Well played by super down the stretch, despite him getting angry at us derping around on cascades
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 29 2011 14:35 GMT
#2768
GG Guys!

There is customarily post-game analysis after a game ends, right?
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
December 29 2011 14:37 GMT
#2769
gg

i made some terrible calls; but w/e, killed sheth woot

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 14:42:58
December 29 2011 14:40 GMT
#2770
gg
oh cool i found scum day 1, that's a first for me
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 29 2011 14:42 GMT
#2771
I got curious, was it super or annul that got so frustrated over cascades? lol

Was an entertaining game to follow, people in general acted nicely and did analysis without too much spam etc. and the setup was entertaining too.

gg
Bartundar
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
December 29 2011 14:44 GMT
#2772
@zeks: Logically we should have RB'd and killed you on night 3, but I got confused and had two different versions of you bouncing around my head :-)

Good shot anyway.

I was surprised that anyone suspected Deus after his night 3 "chat" with Sheth. I couldn't convince myself to make a case on him after that.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 29 2011 15:01 GMT
#2773
Anyone want to link the obs QT.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 15:13:46
December 29 2011 15:05 GMT
#2774
it was all me. I am sorry for calling you names. But I planned an epic comeback today and deliver you jaj22.

###I was surprised that anyone suspected Deus after his night 3 "chat" with Sheth. I couldn't convince myself to make a case on him after that.###

I was surprised, too.

I also want to point out how awesome my first list was:


On December 21 2011 06:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Okay, time for a short summary:

1. Cascades is my scumread number 1 followed by
2. MarserBlood now jaj22
3. nyczbrandon
_____

I think I saw some reasonable town behaviour from every other player in this game.
Especially:

Myself
10. zeks was the first player who pointed out that Curu is scummy because he lied/was lazy. That would be an extremely strange move towards his veteran scumbuddy, if he were in fact scum.
14. GiygaS see Actros filter and his blue role etc. if noone else can perform this he's town
19. Radfield obviously
15. evantrees unlikely that there are two of this kind in the scumteam
3. GreYMisT medic without counterclaim
11. MrZentor dayextenstion role... pretty protown. If noone else can perform this he's likely town
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople attacked curu very early. townfeeling, no real evidence
18. Jitsu town-feeling no real evidence
12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence
22. Liquid`Sheth town-feeling no real evidence

Null:
8. Refallen
5. Comprissent
9. Cwave
these guys just look a little bit better than the three suspects above.

_______

tonights plan:
I get elected as PO, I watch Radfield for sure to save him
Greymist gets elected as Prankster. he's almost confirmed.


I should have reasoned this list much more. I actually worked like 2 hours on that list, but I didn't write my thoughts down.
:D

I guess my mistake was the communication of my reads. I understand english perfectly, but I got to work on my own verbalizations very hard. The inability to express myself appropriate leads to anger when I get the feeling that someone is misreading me on purpose. + I am not really angry at you, it's just so much easier to call someone an idiot than trying to explain what's really going through my mind. If this game was in German, I'd never call someone an idiot. Really, I am terrified by myself, but it's just so easy to be an arrogant idiot rather than a nicely eloquent convincer. lol.


edit1: I also think the scumteam did a really good job. Especially sheth. At least until the night where he paniced because of my wifoming and no roleblock happened. Did you decide not to roleblock anyone because of my watcher ability?

edit2: I also need a faster way to quote properly. I guess I'll just bold the quotes from now on.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 29 2011 15:16 GMT
#2775
[image loading]

Endgame


jaj22 the mafia Black Mailer concedes.

Town wins!

Role List:

1. jaj22 the Mafia Black Mailer, concedes day six (Replaced MarserBlood)
2. nyczbrandon the vanilla townie, modkilled day three
3. GreYMisT the 2-shot medic
4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA the vanilla townie (supersoft + annul hydra)
5. Comprissent the vanilla townie, lynched day three
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople the lobbyist (HarbingerOfDoom + friend hydra)
7. Spaackle the Politician, lynched day one
8. Refallen the Perennial candidate
9. Cwave the vanilla townie, lynched day four
10. zeks the vanilla townie, killed night four
11. MrZentor the Floridian, modkilled day four
12. risk.nuke the vanilla townie
13. prplhz the Secret Service Agent (bodyguard), killed night one
14. GiygaS the Radical Protestor, killed night three
15. evantrees the Public Service Announcer, killed night three
16. Arctocod the vanilla town, killed night two (Palmar + syllogism hydra)
17. bumatlarge the mafia godfather, killed day two (Replaces DropBear)
18. Jitsu the vanilla town, killed night four
19. Radfieldthe vanilla townie, killed night five
20. Eiii , the District Attorney, killed night one
21. xsksc the Private Investigator, killed night one
22. Liquid`Sheth the Mafia intern, killed night three
23. VisceraEyes the anarchist, killed day two.(Replaces Nisani201)
24. cascades the Mafia Underboss, lynched day five
25. ProfessorBadass Mafia Minister of Propaganda, lynched day two. (Curu + Erandorr hydra)

Setup:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At4exhFEevFSdC1YdUJFa0k1dnVzb1dNTGpuWE44bGc&hl=en_US#gid=0

Mafia qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/HtbewFxEK9ba

Obs qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/kYcKM3cCeNs

Thanks for playing. Thanks to Cyber_Cheese for helping me out!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 29 2011 15:22 GMT
#2776
Gg guys I didn't do too well
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 29 2011 15:35 GMT
#2777
I love supersoft rage, it's funny.
Computer says mafia
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 29 2011 15:46 GMT
#2778
I think a large part of my problem in playing this game was practically missing day1 altogether getting me FoSed, something I had to continually deal with throughout the game.

Furthermore it is becoming apparent that I am way too passive in playing this game. Im going to try a more aggressive approach in Purgatory.

Any last thoughts are appreciated, mafia is really fun, I'm really enjoying this game.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 18:08:45
December 29 2011 15:49 GMT
#2779
The goal of the setup was to minimize investigative and protection roles, to give the scum team a fair chance at winning some of the elections. The black mailer was also supposed to help them deal with any potential threats as well. I assumed most of the elections would go to town, but town winning all four on day 2 and 3 really ended up hurting the scum team.

Using the black mail power on the Palmar/syllo hydra day one was a good decision, but I wonder how different the game would have gone if curu would have passed on pardoner and been elected day two instead. Despite only having a 2-shot medic, town really won a big victory with the ProfBadass save. In a setup where giving a certain player town cred is so dangerous, assuming they wouldn't be protected was probably the scum team's biggest mistake.

With the elections, I tried to give the scum team several opportunities to sabotage the outcome. Scum had the opportunity to win day 2 by either winning the elections directly or convincing the winners to pass off their powers. Day 3 required both the winner and the runner up being elected, with the potential prankster framing. Day four give the scum an opportunity to spy on the mason quicktopic and day five allowed the scum team to remove the only pro-town option with the double lynch if they wished. Unfortunately, the scum team was never able to pull off any of these.

Overall, I felt the election process wasn't as interesting as I had hoped. Day one essentially only had two candidates and was decided before the game began, but at least the black mail made things more fun. After that, the roles passed to whoever had managed to gain some amount of town cred from the lynch or their roles. I think a bus or some more creative play might have been necessary for the scum to secure later elections. There were numerous voting manipulation abilities, but they never came into play. Town never really had an incentive to use them, so that is probably my fault.

I think scum was missing one more power role to be able to make up for the town favored elections. Either a godfather replacement or something that would give them the opportunity to earn some town cred. Wish I made the Underboss a backup in case the roleblocker had died. I also would have probably removed the vet and changed a few of the blues looking back.

I was wondering what your guys opinion was on the hydras. In a normal setup they may be fine, but in a popularity contest with the elections, I think they were a bit too powerful. There were also cases where one player wasn't pulling their weight and it ended up being more detrimental than beneficial.

Poll: What did you think about the hydras?

I'd prefer if they weren't used in future games (10)
 
59%

No opinion (4)
 
24%

They were a nice addition (3)
 
18%

17 total votes

Your vote: What did you think about the hydras?

(Vote): They were a nice addition
(Vote): I'd prefer if they weren't used in future games
(Vote): No opinion





I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 29 2011 15:52 GMT
#2780
What did prankster do?
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