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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:24 GMT
#1771
what has the fact that he can shoot have to do with his alignment?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:25 GMT
#1773
chance of success: 0.2%
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:27 GMT
#1780
Where the fuck was this consensus, are you on drugs toad?

annul should be lynched tonight, if I wake up to him non-dead there's gonna be rage.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:29 GMT
#1786
On December 09 2011 10:28 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:27 Palmar wrote:
Where the fuck was this consensus, are you on drugs toad?

annul should be lynched tonight, if I wake up to him non-dead there's gonna be rage.


are you kidding me? look up a couple of filters. I thought he's scummy, rad thought so. Fair enough I thought


I repeatedly fucking told people he was town, I even said it was one of his best town performance.

god fucking damn it.

Your vote better stay on annul's ass, because him being able to shoot says nothing about his alignment. He's still scum.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:31 GMT
#1790
On December 09 2011 10:28 Mattchew wrote:
should still lynch annul?


Of course, he just picked a random townie with bad reads, and thus shed the responsibility of his own shot. If he was town he'd have attempted to prove himself through trying to shoot mafia. But since he IS mafia, he never had a realistic chance of shooting one, so he did the next best thing, have someone else "shoot" a townie for him.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:32 GMT
#1794
On December 09 2011 10:30 annul wrote:
this is why i give the shot to the most town sensed person in the game. if i picked and missed i instadie.

at least now you see im not bullshitting.

get off of me; i have more useful things to do for future cycles.


No, that's retarded.

If you were town, you'd have had the balls to call your shot yourself, the best way to prove yourself town is to shoot mafia, they should be glaringly obvious by now. Why didn't you shoot me? I'm your number one scumread am I not?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:33 GMT
#1796
On December 09 2011 10:31 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:29 Palmar wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:28 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:27 Palmar wrote:
Where the fuck was this consensus, are you on drugs toad?

annul should be lynched tonight, if I wake up to him non-dead there's gonna be rage.


are you kidding me? look up a couple of filters. I thought he's scummy, rad thought so. Fair enough I thought


I repeatedly fucking told people he was town, I even said it was one of his best town performance.

god fucking damn it.

Your vote better stay on annul's ass, because him being able to shoot says nothing about his alignment. He's still scum.


you're the only guy who defended him palmar... My option was Drazerk, Erandorr, prp, MAYBE kingjames and MAYBE sandro.

Other than rad noone ever mentoned kingjames and sandro I think and since drazerk and erandorr are not ok with the majority I went with prp.


what about the useless redFF?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:33 GMT
#1797
Holy fuck, town doesn't have two jacks, annul is scum.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:37 GMT
#1807
On December 09 2011 10:34 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:30 annul wrote:
this is why i give the shot to the most town sensed person in the game. if i picked and missed i instadie.

at least now you see im not bullshitting.

get off of me; i have more useful things to do for future cycles.


No, that's retarded.

If you were town, you'd have had the balls to call your shot yourself, the best way to prove yourself town is to shoot mafia, they should be glaringly obvious by now. Why didn't you shoot me? I'm your number one scumread am I not?




because if i shoot you that says nothing about me whatsoever? but if i give power to the most town person that has consensus, then theres a chance i kill one of your partners AND i survive the day


What the fuck?

you're literally stating I'm scum, and you somehow think that shooting scum doesn't help you? Are you 4real? That logic is just completely fucking insane.

The only fucking reason you didn't shoot me is you know I'm not scum, and you are scum. You know that I wouldn't have flipped scum, and you'd have been instantly lynched. You basically just confirmed yourself as scum by not even attempting to hit scum with that shot.

You just relied on Toad being bad enough, or your scumbuddy, to pick a dumb-as-shit target.

If you're not dead tomorrow, this will go down in the history books as the worst town play ever.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:42 GMT
#1811
On December 09 2011 10:39 vaderseven wrote:
##unvote annul
##vote Palmar


You are fucking terrible at this game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 08:46 GMT
#1977
And day 2 will now be remembered as the day where annul claimed mafia and people still didn't lynch him.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 08:54 GMT
#1978
On December 09 2011 13:26 vaderseven wrote:
Good night.

Much to talk about tomorrow Im thinking (real life tomorrow).


Yeah, we can spend a lot of time talking about how terrible your decisions are.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 11:09 GMT
#1980
Let me point this out very slowly, because seriously, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a mafia game.


On December 09 2011 10:30 annul wrote:
this is why i give the shot to the most town sensed person in the game. if i picked and missed i instadie.

at least now you see im not bullshitting.

get off of me; i have more useful things to do for future cycles.


Annul gave his shot to a townie who had been very, very open about his read on Erandorr as scum. Annul probably counted on Toad being terrible enough to only aim the gun at Errandor, but because prplhz was town too, Annul ran with it.

Does anyone with half a brain actually think that town annul would not pick his target himself? Notice he did not even consider prplhz's alignment. Annul hasn't accused prplhz all game, he was completely fine with killing prplhz at random.

At this point, I asked annul why he didn't just shoot me? After all, he has been pushing for my death since day 1, if we can call his half-assed attempts pushing. He obviously doesn't give a shit who dies as long as it's not him.

On December 09 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:
No, that's retarded.

If you were town, you'd have had the balls to call your shot yourself, the best way to prove yourself town is to shoot mafia, they should be glaringly obvious by now. Why didn't you shoot me? I'm your number one scumread am I not?


And do you know what Annul replies with?

On December 09 2011 10:34 annul wrote:
because if i shoot you that says nothing about me whatsoever? but if i give power to the most town person that has consensus, then theres a chance i kill one of your partners AND i survive the day


What the fuck?????????

The only way this sentence makes sense is if annul already knows I'll flip town. According to him I must be scum. But how does shooting scum not say anything about him?

In non-crazy-world shooting scum is one of the best ways of clearing your name. In non-crazy-world you don't randomly shoot townies to save your own hide.

Seriously, read annul's explanation of not shooting me over and over again until your useless brains understand what the fuck is going on here.

Holy shit, now I don't just have a case he's scum, the guy fucking claimed scum in the thread and didn't get lynched. I can't express how fucking mad I am at this complete and utter incompetence. What the fuck.

In other news.

Feel free to randomly kill a few people on this list: TruthBringer, Risen, hyshes, redFF, sandroba, Zephirdd.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 13:14 GMT
#1982
I'm going to say this in a very friendly way, because I still think you're town.

Your entire approach to the game is completely and utterly wrong Toadesstern. I already explained at length during the day why you were being wrong and silly, and you just keep doing it.

annul is just as good as confirmed mafia.

Your scenario makes absolutely no sense, just give it a little bit of thought. If annul is mafia now, isn't the situation he's in RIGHT NOW better than what you're proposing? If you had pointed to scum, he'd simply have shot someone else and taken the lynch. He was going to be lynched anyway, now we just delay it until tomorrow.

Just now he got away with shooting a townie, escaped the lynch, and somehow some people still think he's town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 13:15 GMT
#1983
Rad was completely fucking wrong, to the point of me thinking he might be mafia.

Only thing that makes him not be mafia is the fact that he tried to lynch annul last night.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 13:38 GMT
#1984
On December 09 2011 11:29 vaderseven wrote:
Honestly, aanul has 100% verified his claim. What would a jack that can do a traditional cop be useful to as the mafia?

THINK PEOPLE THINK.


This is the most ironic statement in the entire thread.

The dumbest person playing asking people to think.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 14:17 GMT
#1986
What the hell does his role have to do with his alignment?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 14:23 GMT
#1988
he hasn't claimed all the options he has, and I don't give a shit actually.

I mean, I get it, sometimes people make mistakes. But what's going on now is beyond mistakes.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 14:35 GMT
#1991
I already tried logic, remember this:


On December 08 2011 22:00 Palmar wrote:
It's time.


You don't always catch scum in the same way. There is, for example, no traditional way of catching Kenpachi or Coagulation as scum, because they will not, regardless of their alignment, provide us with content that can be broken down and analyzed through post by post analysis.

That is not to say you can't catch people who play unconventionally as scum. While annul doesn't write long, well explained posts, no matter his alignment, it's the content and direction, as well as the intention of these posts that give a player away. I think annul is a good player, he doesn't give himself away every single post. But it's rather the overall playstyle that reeks of scum.

Let's look at why annul is scum:

For convenience, here is his entire filter: Clicky

There is not much to be had on annul's alignment from his initial posting. He is mostly correct in his thoughts, simply because arguing such mundane things as "should we use lists or not" is not something that can give away people's alignments. No matter their opinion on such things.

The first post that stuck out to me was this:

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 06:04 annul wrote:
im still waiting for purple haze to address his blue claim. if i saw it, mafia surely saw it too. and i saw it immediately. ;\


This is regarding prplhz's sentence: "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job"

Here's the deal, this is in no way a blue claim, and as soon as prplhz denies it being one, the issue should be ignored, yet even quite a bit later annul is still wondering about a trivial issue. The sentence can easily be read from the point of view of prplhz being town and "our job" referring to finding mafia, not blues using their abilities.

Why does annul want to stick with this? Because it gives him an excuse to contribute nothing, which has been a hallmark of his play this game.

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 06:10 annul wrote:
people NEED to be aware that he blueslipped there. it changes everything.


What the shit is a blueslip, there is no such thing. He denied it referring to him being blue, and that should be taken at facevalue. It changes exactly nothing, annul is just staying on his road of "If I tunnel this, I don't have to contribute".

Just so I point it out, annul's vote on Drazerk, followed by his switch to Soap gives us no indication of his alignment.

Let's talk some more about how to avoid contributing and draw bad conclusions:

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On December 06 2011 03:02 annul wrote:
im still waiting to see if soap actually flips from v7's shot or if this is a grand troll by everybody

if soap actually flips anything nonred i'm instavoting palmar and not unvoting


What has Soap's alignment to do with me? I called him my homeboy, so if I'm right I must be scum? Where's the logic here. I did not ask for Soap to be shot, the whole issue has nothing to do with me. I retracted my claim before the shot was fired, and confirmed it. The decision was a rash, bad decision from v7, against a person that I had no intention of getting shot.

As syllogism so brilliantly put it:

Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 03:05 syllogism wrote:
So you are saying palmar is scum, vader is town and palmar used his psychic powers to determine that vader is a town day vig and would shoot Soap instead of, say, himself?


Of course, this doesn't stop annul with following through with his completely illogical train of thought, because that's a favorite thing of mafia, to not use logic and just run with stuff.

Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 06:10 annul wrote:
wow. you have to be kidding me.

##vote palmar


Now, please recheck annul's filter ( here ) and scroll down to where he votes me. Notice how sharply his contribution rate has fallen. Not only that, but there is also NO effort at scumhunting at all. He literally hasn't accused anyone of anything since he decided I was red. There is no substance. I think the closest thing was calling Jackal a moron.

He hasn't even pushed a case against me today.

The bottom line, is that in addition to the complete lack of scumhunting, the complete lack of contributions, annul claimed to have been saved by a medic, from a shot I am all but certain was fired by syllogism, makes me have a very strong feeling this guy is scum.

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On December 08 2011 01:36 annul wrote:
why the fuck is palmar of all people leading a wagon on ME of all people? did you all forget the shit he pulled yesterday? letting palmar run shit = outed jack and a dead green


Notice, there is not logical reason for not listening to me, it's just the fact that because I'm aggressive and v7 panicked, I must by extension not be trusted. Annul is clinging onto the notion that disregarding me by referring to the misfired shot yesterday, he can discredit me enough so that I won't be listened to.

I'm still waiting on anything that can count as contribution from annul today.

I think it's also very bad for town to try and push the issue aside. If we allow the mafia do deflect the annul lynch onto a random townie (Radfield, I'm looking at you), we both eliminate the chance that we hit mafia today, and we cause town to be in exactly the same situation tomorrow. It's probably a better idea to lynch me, because at least that will validate everything I'm saying, not like mafia is gonna let me live after the night if annul dies.

With 15 townies alive and 6 mafia, we need 11 townies to make the correct decision. The correct decision is to lynch annul today.

I was useless on day 1, please accept this scum as a token of my regret.

Annul is mafia

##Vote annul


And this:


On December 09 2011 20:09 Palmar wrote:
Let me point this out very slowly, because seriously, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a mafia game.


Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:30 annul wrote:
this is why i give the shot to the most town sensed person in the game. if i picked and missed i instadie.

at least now you see im not bullshitting.

get off of me; i have more useful things to do for future cycles.


Annul gave his shot to a townie who had been very, very open about his read on Erandorr as scum. Annul probably counted on Toad being terrible enough to only aim the gun at Errandor, but because prplhz was town too, Annul ran with it.

Does anyone with half a brain actually think that town annul would not pick his target himself? Notice he did not even consider prplhz's alignment. Annul hasn't accused prplhz all game, he was completely fine with killing prplhz at random.

At this point, I asked annul why he didn't just shoot me? After all, he has been pushing for my death since day 1, if we can call his half-assed attempts pushing. He obviously doesn't give a shit who dies as long as it's not him.

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:
No, that's retarded.

If you were town, you'd have had the balls to call your shot yourself, the best way to prove yourself town is to shoot mafia, they should be glaringly obvious by now. Why didn't you shoot me? I'm your number one scumread am I not?


And do you know what Annul replies with?

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:34 annul wrote:
because if i shoot you that says nothing about me whatsoever? but if i give power to the most town person that has consensus, then theres a chance i kill one of your partners AND i survive the day


What the fuck?????????

The only way this sentence makes sense is if annul already knows I'll flip town. According to him I must be scum. But how does shooting scum not say anything about him?

In non-crazy-world shooting scum is one of the best ways of clearing your name. In non-crazy-world you don't randomly shoot townies to save your own hide.

Seriously, read annul's explanation of not shooting me over and over again until your useless brains understand what the fuck is going on here.

Holy shit, now I don't just have a case he's scum, the guy fucking claimed scum in the thread and didn't get lynched. I can't express how fucking mad I am at this complete and utter incompetence. What the fuck.

In other news.

Feel free to randomly kill a few people on this list: TruthBringer, Risen, hyshes, redFF, sandroba, Zephirdd.


I don't know what else I can do.

I'm completely drained of ideas. I don't think you ever get more confirmed scum in a game than annul this game.

Do you guys mind if I just stop playing and vote only? I feel like that'll do as much good anyway, and I have a really hard time dealing with all the ignorance in the thread.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 15:04 GMT
#1994
On December 09 2011 23:50 vaderseven wrote:
Don't be like that. Either quit or calm down.


I've proved he's scum.

How do I argue with people who just go "No I don't like logic, I'm just gonna do something else".

I have no idea.
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