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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 08 2011 23:59 GMT
#1682
probably about 3 more hours
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 00:02 GMT
#1684
On December 09 2011 08:59 Lanaia wrote:
Okay, I'm back until 6pm PST (approx). Right now, I feel guilted into unvoting Eran.
I'm wondering if I should because a replacement was made and I don't like voting replacements right away. Ethically, is it bad for me to keep my vote where it is?
I don't want to vote annul because I think he's town and I don't think I want to vote Palmar.



Who other than erandorr do you think is scummy?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 00:06 GMT
#1688
annul, kingjames, Corrupt and Risen have yet to vote.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 00:09 GMT
#1693
On December 09 2011 09:05 Jackal58 wrote:
Radfield - Does the scum team have 2 role blockers?


It's possible, but I would lean towards a jailkeeper. Jailkeepers are neat roles in the dynamic they cause. If scum does have two roleblockers, we likely have some decent investigative roles. DT's, Trackers, Watchers. But the presence of two roleblocks(no matter where they come from) does a lot to dissuade any roleclaiming blues.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 00:10 GMT
#1695
On December 09 2011 09:08 annul wrote:
radfield: who is MOST town in your eyes?


Toadesstern
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 00:14 GMT
#1700
He's going to 'give' something to toad?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 00:19 GMT
#1707
Well annul you sure know how to hype it
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 01:51 GMT
#1819
On December 09 2011 10:34 vaderseven wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar


ill brb but wanted to not vote the guy that obv is not lieing.


There is absolutely no way we have two town jacks. If you are town then your vote absolutely needs to be on annul.

That was complete bs annul. If you truly believe Palmar was mafia you should have shot him in the face. He flips red you are full cleared and a ton of people are caught. That was a complete handwashing of any consequences.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 01:53 GMT
#1820
Annul what action did you use last night?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 01:56 GMT
#1825
On December 09 2011 10:32 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:31 vaderseven wrote:
ok,

sorry was in a game of hon.

I can confirm that anul is telling the turth.


this is why i told you to pay attention to what was going on lol

you have the same powers i do, yes?



Annul if you are town there is no way vaderseven is also town. Jacks are insanely powerful + we had a 2-shot vig. No way. One scum jack, one town jack.

Having the same powers DOES NOT mean you two have the same alignment.

##VOTE ANNUL
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 01:56 GMT
#1826
On December 09 2011 10:56 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote:
Annul what action did you use last night?


i didnt.


please explain your reasoning for that.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:02 GMT
#1830
On December 09 2011 10:57 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:54 hyshes wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.

Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town.


Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically.


to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well.
From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town

I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum.


Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&currentpage=85#1695

That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it.


Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this:
On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions

IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE

namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia?


I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it.




so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone?
Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it.


No, annul was looking for a way to wash his hands of a dead townie. Yes there is a chance that he hit mafia too, but if you know that the top suspects atm are not mafia, you are almost 100% in the clear. Annul knew my list of townies, and likely knew that Toad was at the top. Toad has been pretty open about his reads, which means Annul can basically narrow down the hit before it even happens.

If annul is town, consider that having Toad shoot for him says the LEAST about annul alignment as possible. Why would he do that!? He thinks highly of his own play, he thinks very confidently that Palmar is scum....... so just let some random townie pick the shot? No way.

You shoot Palmar in the face, and that ends all discussion of you being scum.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:04 GMT
#1832
On December 09 2011 11:00 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:56 Radfield wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:56 annul wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote:
Annul what action did you use last night?


i didnt.


please explain your reasoning for that.


for seemingly obvious reasons i will do no such thing



You are a fucking Jack! You have a whole mitfull of powers, yet you opt to not use one on night 1.

Vaderseven, is there any reasonable likelihood you would not use ANY of your powers last night if you could? Does it make sense to you that Annul did not use an action last night?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:07 GMT
#1834
On December 09 2011 11:03 hyshes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:57 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:54 hyshes wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.

Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town.


Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically.


to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well.
From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town

I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum.


Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&currentpage=85#1695

That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it.


Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this:
On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions

IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE

namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia?


I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it.




so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone?
Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it.


Rad doesn't have to be scum for this to work. Everyone knew you and rad had a lot of towncred. Annul asked rad directly. Rad is ofcourse not gonna say himself, since that's a dumb answer. Then annul asks a different question to the rest of us: if you are scum or not. And then annul is doing a petition.

And to top that, you pick out a "consensus" (no he wasn't) suspicious townie. This all just screams "trickery".




I don't think so hyshes. As long as Annul knows what Toads general reads are, he can easily pass the buck to him before the shot. The reason Toad has so much towncred is because he is town. Last thing you want to do as mafia is draw a bunch of nasty suspicion onto a guy which is basically confirmed town by the who thread.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:07 GMT
#1835
On December 09 2011 11:06 vaderseven wrote:
yes it does.


You guys are useless jacks, that's what your telling me.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:11 GMT
#1838
I don't know where this leaves us then. You guys are both severely hamstrung which presumably means you can both be town.

Annul's actions still don't add up.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:11 GMT
#1839
Where is Sandro -_-
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:12 GMT
#1840
vader, are the other two powers useful to town as well as scum?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:13 GMT
#1841
EBWOP: useful to scum as well as town
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 09 2011 02:17 GMT
#1842
On December 09 2011 10:55 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:25 Refallen wrote:
I already addressed the doublestack point; come on, that argument is so weak it's not even funny.


You're right. I concede this point. I hadn't read Mafia XLVII so I was unaware of this possibility. However, my case does not rely on that premise.

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:25 Refallen wrote:
Why? Cause dead Townies who CANNOT possibly know our alignments were suspicious? Are you perhaps mafia and you wanted them dead BECAUSE they were suspicious of us? You weren't successful hitting annul due to him being saved and you couldn't kill me directly because I had only denounced you and that would have put a lot of heat on you? Mafia trickery.


I don't get this point, can you rephrase it?


My intent here is that you cannot rely on dead Townie's suspicions to find mafia. Many times mafia will kill a Townie PRECISELY because that Townie suspected the wrong person.



Why are you here debating something outrageously irrelevant to the current situation. Day 1 you threw your vote away after lurking hardcore, you are doing the exact same thing again. You've popped up at the end of each day making a case on an irrelevant player while barely commenting on any of the goings on of the day.

You also continue to talk in generalities. Please step it up.
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