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On December 06 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:11 Risen wrote:On December 06 2011 10:08 Drazerk wrote:On December 06 2011 10:07 Zephirdd wrote:On December 06 2011 10:04 Drazerk wrote:On December 06 2011 10:00 Risen wrote:On December 06 2011 09:52 Drazerk wrote:On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote:
Thought about other players coming soon (tm) It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have NO! This is so illogical. How certain are you that Palmar is mafia? Vote for him because he's bandwagon is so ridiculous. We have a less than 25% chance of being right on Palmar, add to that his stupid posts and the % goes DOWN in my book, not up. Why is that percentage going up for you? He has CLAIMED a role. If his role vote doesn't show up on the list tonight THEN we sit back and say, oh shit Palmar lied TWICE to us. As it stands he was just pressuring v7 into making a move, he didn't force v7 to shoot Soap. Palmar was buddy buddy with Soap. V7 is a dumbass and shot a wrong target. If anything, Palmar is a vig target, because that gives us more time to look at where the chips fall. What happens when we lynch Palmar and his anonymous vote shows up on Hier? We just lost ourselves a double vote for as long as we can keep him alive. This is JUST like last game. What if bloodyc0bbler had been scum in that game? We shot ourselves in the foot and got LUCKY that we double voted in town. We have a person claiming blue, if his blue power doesn't show up? Vig shot or lynch day 2. This decision is being forced upon us because we "need" to lynch. Last game should of taught you never to trust power roles ever. His vote still hasn't come through and we have no idea if he controls it or not and is much more likely to be scum than town. Also think. Why on earth would palmar buddy buddy with soap of all people other than the pure fact of trolling. You can choose to lynch scum tonight or you can lynch no one wait until tomorrow after he has had a chance to kill townies with his KP. ...about that, you can see the "Anonymous" vote for Hier on the voting thread. I'm off for a bit to cool my head. His second vote still hasn't appeared. In the vote thread it has Palmar on v7 and Anonymous on Hier. That has to be Palmar. How does it HAVE to be palmar? It can be one of his scum buddies helping him.
That's not the important point although that's right. The important point is that people pointed out the role palmar claimed does look like a mafia role. So his claim could be right and he could still be a mafia. However I still think we can get a vote on Lanaia going and see what we do with Palmar on day2. He's not having an easy spot right now and he is screwing day2 he's dieing 100%.
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oh for christs sake it's 2:18 am in the morning in germany, I'm really to get something going here and am staying awake longer than I should. Just stay on either Lanaia or Hier and keep your vote there.
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ok anyway I'm off to bed now, it's already 2:30 am in germany... won't be able to change my votes now
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On December 06 2011 16:52 Drazerk wrote:I told you he would escape the lynch only to lynch a townie it happens every time -.- I CLAIM ROLEBLOCK IMMUNE MEDIC
...who has to claim night one. Going away for next few hours do your worst scum.
quick question: Why did you claim? Is your roleblock immune medic also immortal?
About palmar: I still think he's probably town and his role is confirmed since the anon-vote appeared. However people have been saying this role is a mafia role, it could be very well a mafia palmar who just claimed his real role because he's able to prove it. So I'm not going to trust palmar unless he makes some good moves this day.
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could you link me to a wiki or something with a describtion of that role? I have no idea what you're talking about.
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EBWOP: google solved it, reading
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On December 06 2011 22:41 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 22:38 Toadesstern wrote:On December 06 2011 16:52 Drazerk wrote:I told you he would escape the lynch only to lynch a townie it happens every time -.- I CLAIM ROLEBLOCK IMMUNE MEDIC
...who has to claim night one. Going away for next few hours do your worst scum. quick question: Why did you claim? Is your roleblock immune medic also immortal? About palmar: I still think he's probably town and his role is confirmed since the anon-vote appeared. However people have been saying this role is a mafia role, it could be very well a mafia palmar who just claimed his real role because he's able to prove it. So I'm not going to trust palmar unless he makes some good moves this day. There is the possibility that he is a Jack of All Trades that has to claim every night the role he wants to be. That's what I could make of that at least.
mmh not much info about that role on a wiki as it could be anything. However v7 claimed something along those lines. He said his role was called jack and you just brought it up. So v7's dayvig called jack is a jack of all trades?
Conclusion: Palmar is what he claimed and not a jack. He some hints by v7 all telling him that his claim was right if he'd be a jack as well and he didn't catch those. So I'm going to say palmars claim is right
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On December 06 2011 22:52 prplhz wrote:@Palmar What about his timings during this whole dayvig thing. You retract your dayvig claim here and he absolutely knows this because he asks you if you retracted and then you answer "yes". After that has been established he goes on to shoot Soap even though he says here that he will shoot only if is closed to being lynched. I am really interested in hearing vaderseven's reason for why he shot Soap when he was absolutely certain he wasn't in any immediate danger, going against what he had previously said about his shot, because this is very scummy to me. I don't see why a townie would shoot in this situation. Even though he hasn't played on this forum a lot, vaderseven is a veteran with years of experience. If he was townie he would have kept his head cool and then he would have listened to other people for opinions on who to shoot. If he is scum he in a pretty bad situation, and he has following options: - Claim that he lied, but this would put him in a pretty bad spot. Why would a townie lie and claim dayvig in this situation? Makes no sense.
- He can keep his head cool. He could have asked around for opinions, but that would make his shot controlled by town or it would make him a lot more accountable for whoever he would end up choosing if this wasn't somebody that a lot of people recommended.
- He can just shoot a guy like Soap, and you recognize that this is low-risk target for scum, and how everybody said he was town after that shot and that just proves this point. If he got in more heat he could just blame you and supersoft for how you pressured him into shooting (which was pretty stupid but I'll leave that for now).
If he is town, why the hell didn't he wait for people to show up and tell everybody to calm down? Why didn't he want to listen to other people's opinion, but instead he went all vigilante? I think that this would be the only way for a townie to handle this situation when he's not actually in immediate danger. I don't agree with your idea that vaderseven would have waited around for whatever people said in QT, this was an ideal situation for scum vaderseven to get his shot off without being held very much accountable, and I'm pretty sure that town vaderseven would have kept his cool in this situation.
You're all saying he knew that nothing was going to happen and everybody was already cooling down and told him he does not have to do a thing. That's a lie. Yes Palmar said he's not a dayvig, still he pushed for his notes.
Now that's what hit the board 60-120 secs before he typed his kill-command: Klick me!
Sure it's from supersoft but still, that's what triggered him I think. Sure palmar said he's not a dayvig but ss coming in there saying "ok awesome now shoot someone or you're dead" is not exactly helping him or anyone who's trying to arguee that v7 did not have to shoot.
That's what I think. He f5ed, he saw that and maybe he was a little bit scared, maybe a lot pissed and he shot. I would have shot ss or palmar after that post from ss as well. The only thing that's weird is the soap decision but since soaps together with palmar and ss in this I can see this as reasonable.
my2 cents about that story because I think those people trying to tell us "there was no need to shoot" are lacking context big time
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On December 06 2011 23:19 Palmar wrote:
Why didn't you tell us before you shot Soap? There is literally no harm for town to simply chill for an hour and ask the people who are very likely to be town if Soap is a good shot.
well it's a tricky situation I guess.
Just think about it, the guy just claimed dayvig (which is the only mistake he did imo) so he had to shoot at some point, Sadly that point was day1. I wouldn't trust 3 guys who threaten to kill me, so he obviously was not going to listen to a thing you guys said.
Probably the rest would have told him to not shoot so early. So he had to make that decision on his own.
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On December 07 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 23:27 Toadesstern wrote:On December 06 2011 23:19 Palmar wrote:
Why didn't you tell us before you shot Soap? There is literally no harm for town to simply chill for an hour and ask the people who are very likely to be town if Soap is a good shot. well it's a tricky situation I guess. Just think about it, the guy just claimed dayvig (which is the only mistake he did imo) so he had to shoot at some point, Sadly that point was day1. I wouldn't trust 3 guys who threaten to kill me, so he obviously was not going to listen to a thing you guys said. Probably the rest would have told him to not shoot so early. So he had to make that decision on his own. Why didn't he ask the rest then? I wanted him to shoot Drazerk, who I think is mafia.
because supersoft pushed him to shoot someone now or he's dead and he snapped. You pressured him like crazy and you're asking why he did not act calm and not-hasty? Well guess what, because someone put a gun to his head.
Yes it was an overreaction of his, but that doesn't change a thing.
There was no point in pressuring him the way you did unless you were certain his claim was a lie. Why would you try to pressure a town-vig that's just not makeing sense at all.
Or do you want to tell me you had a scum read about V7 before all that happened? He looked town to me, although that might be a nullread after his last game where even mafia thought he's a townie. But did you have anything that made you think he's a liar or a scum to justify what happened?
Just to get this clear: I think you're both townies and you screwed up big time. Palmar tried some omgus plan that backfired because he happened to target a day-vig and V7 overreacted, now get over it.
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So far my reads aren't consolidated, mostly because I fail to make notes about my feelings when reading. *sigh* slow night is slow, if anyone want my opinion on any subject feel free to ask -_-'
What are your thoughts on VisceraEyes so far? Especially given his most recent activity?
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On December 07 2011 10:08 Lanaia wrote:
Zephirdd, what do you think we can do about the lurkers? Anything we can use as a pester ball to lure them out of hiding?
Actually, there aren't even that many.
What do you think about Radfield's play?
Mind if I jump in there and give my 2cents?
I think you got to differentiate between day- and night-lurkers. This whole "we should not post that much at night" is quite commong and there's just so many people who are not contributing or barely contributing at all. As long as they start posting the next day again I'm fine with it although I share opinions with VisceraEyes about talking at night.
He is kind of overdoing it. Sure some people are answering him but most stuff comes from him and as I see it I won't get much out of people the way he's doing it right now.
If you want to discuss about something by all means I'm hear for another hour or so to talk :p
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EBWOP: hear = here, stupid english language y u sound so equal with different words
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On December 07 2011 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Define 'overdoing it' Toads. If by overdoing it you mean 'airing all of my thoughts completely before day breaks' then yeah, guilty as charged. 
Well I just found out if people don't want to talk they're not going to talk no matter how much you try to get them involved.
Sure you can try and if you would not have tried I would have at some point, but after several points I thought that people just don't want to talk a lot at night and neither of us is able to change that.
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On December 07 2011 11:40 Radfield wrote:Unfortunately when you claimed your role was called 'Jack', you did in fact claim JOAT. On this forum, those two words are almost interchangable. From PYPI, which Incog hosted: Show nested quote +Jack -
Of all trades, master of none. You may use up to six abilities from other roles in the game however you are restricted to the very same rules that apply to them when you use them. You may not use the same role in two consecutive day/night cycles in a row. The following roles you may use are: Vigilante, Day Vigilante, Detective, Medic, and Bulletproof. You may not use two in one cycle (ie: Detective during day, Medic during night). If you use the veteran one night and take a hit, you cannot use it again and absorb another hit. It is a one time only deal.
If what you quoted is right I want a medic on V7 ASAP instead of the watcher. I'm going to highlight the important part right now
Jack -
Of all trades, master of none. You may use up to six abilities from other roles in the game however you are restricted to the very same rules that apply to them when you use them. You may not use the same role in two consecutive day/night cycles in a row. The following roles you may use are: Vigilante, Day Vigilante, Detective, Medic, and Bulletproof. You may not use two in one cycle (ie: Detective during day, Medic during night). If you use the veteran one night and take a hit, you cannot use it again and absorb another hit. It is a one time only deal. [/QUOTE]
If what I highlighted is true there is NO WAY mafia will roleblock him. V7 already shot so according to your link he can't do a thing this night which makes a RB useless. So imo he's going to die withouta medic protection.
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On December 07 2011 11:42 Radfield wrote:
Actually, reading over that description I just realized you cannot self protect tonight, because you used your dayvig today.
Draz, I think you should be protecting v7 tonight. If he dies, it's on you.
Awesome, got ninjaed by you and you didn't even mess up the quote :p
If V7 dies tonight draz is a liar or red. Someone agreeing there? If V7 survives I'm willing to believe his claim which I am not right now.
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On December 07 2011 20:38 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, I don't think it all that heinously unlikely a town medic would target annul. However, 2 people claiming roleblock seems too high, which makes me think we might have a jailkeeper. But of course if we have a jailkeeper we don't have 2 medics.
More importantly, does Annul look like scum? I honestly can't tell. I can certainly see a lot of mafia motivation in his posts and actions(jumping on Palmar, casting suspicion on me multiple times, thinking Soap was red and then getting super upset when he died), but his tone looks genuine.
I actually agree here. If I were a medic I probably would have protected rad or annul. I was sitting there yesterday, looking at rads list and thoubt about our options.
Syllo was kind of weird. Everyone said he's doing fine but I can't see a lot he did for town, so he was a nullread for me.
Palmar was not going to be shot no matter what. He screwed day1 and still a lot of people think he's mafia (he calls them bad but players but still). Why would mafia want to hit that?
What's left on rads list would be me, rad and annul. As I'm talking about what I would have done as medic I obviously am not able to protect myself. So it would be either rad or annul. Yeah a close one, I think rad's more important if he's town but some people attacked him and called him out. While palmar gets called out mostly by new players those guys who question his style are more experienced players. I think red, jackal and erandorr kinda-a-fosed him?
So I'd either protected rad or hoped they let him live because there's some people attacking him.
This goes out to V7: Annul claimed he got shot and protected. Did you get shot and protected? Dza... already claimed he protected you so if you got shot as well it would be some weird 3KP mafia + vigi which makes 4 KP (syllo, ss, annul, V7).
Right now it looks like annul was the 3rd KP of mafia or shot by a vigi or he's a liar. Your answer to that question would at least give us some information V7.
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On December 07 2011 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On December 07 2011 20:38 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, I don't think it all that heinously unlikely a town medic would target annul. However, 2 people claiming roleblock seems too high, which makes me think we might have a jailkeeper. But of course if we have a jailkeeper we don't have 2 medics.
More importantly, does Annul look like scum? I honestly can't tell. I can certainly see a lot of mafia motivation in his posts and actions(jumping on Palmar, casting suspicion on me multiple times, thinking Soap was red and then getting super upset when he died), but his tone looks genuine.
I actually agree here. If I were a medic I probably would have protected rad or annul. I was sitting there yesterday, looking at rads list and thoubt about our options. Syllo was kind of weird. Everyone said he's doing fine but I can't see a lot he did for town, so he was a nullread for me. Palmar was not going to be shot no matter what. He screwed day1 and still a lot of people think he's mafia (he calls them bad but players but still). Why would mafia want to hit that? What's left on rads list would be me, rad and annul. As I'm talking about what I would have done as medic I obviously am not able to protect myself. So it would be either rad or annul. Yeah a close one, I think rad's more important if he's town but some people attacked him and called him out. While palmar gets called out mostly by new players those guys who question his style are more experienced players. I think red, jackal and erandorr kinda-a-fosed him? So I'd either protected rad or hoped they let him live because there's some people attacking him. This goes out to V7: Annul claimed he got shot and protected. Did you get shot and protected? Dza... already claimed he protected you so if you got shot as well it would be some weird 3KP mafia + vigi which makes 4 KP (syllo, ss, annul, V7). Right now it looks like annul was the 3rd KP of mafia or shot by a vigi or he's a liar. Your answer to that question would at least give us some information V7. Syllo was far more pro-town than anyone else on Rad's list. I think I said back on day 1 I was willing to sheep him because I had a strong town read on him. As for the v7 thing, that doesn't even make sense. v7 would already have claimed it if he was hit. Trust me on this one, mafia does not have 3kp in this setup. They have 2kp and annul was shot by a vigilante, and I think that vigilante was mr. syllogism.
Why do you think mafia got 2KP? The usual thing is (#mafia / 2) rounded up so I thought it's not that far-fetched to believe they got 3KP.
Also vigi's can't shoot n1 can they? Last game (the 80player thing) I was a vigi for the first time and it specifically said I can't shoot n1 and I had to wait until n2 to shoot the fuck out of Drazerk.
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On December 07 2011 22:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 22:53 Toadesstern wrote:On December 07 2011 22:47 Palmar wrote:On December 07 2011 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On December 07 2011 20:38 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, I don't think it all that heinously unlikely a town medic would target annul. However, 2 people claiming roleblock seems too high, which makes me think we might have a jailkeeper. But of course if we have a jailkeeper we don't have 2 medics.
More importantly, does Annul look like scum? I honestly can't tell. I can certainly see a lot of mafia motivation in his posts and actions(jumping on Palmar, casting suspicion on me multiple times, thinking Soap was red and then getting super upset when he died), but his tone looks genuine.
I actually agree here. If I were a medic I probably would have protected rad or annul. I was sitting there yesterday, looking at rads list and thoubt about our options. Syllo was kind of weird. Everyone said he's doing fine but I can't see a lot he did for town, so he was a nullread for me. Palmar was not going to be shot no matter what. He screwed day1 and still a lot of people think he's mafia (he calls them bad but players but still). Why would mafia want to hit that? What's left on rads list would be me, rad and annul. As I'm talking about what I would have done as medic I obviously am not able to protect myself. So it would be either rad or annul. Yeah a close one, I think rad's more important if he's town but some people attacked him and called him out. While palmar gets called out mostly by new players those guys who question his style are more experienced players. I think red, jackal and erandorr kinda-a-fosed him? So I'd either protected rad or hoped they let him live because there's some people attacking him. This goes out to V7: Annul claimed he got shot and protected. Did you get shot and protected? Dza... already claimed he protected you so if you got shot as well it would be some weird 3KP mafia + vigi which makes 4 KP (syllo, ss, annul, V7). Right now it looks like annul was the 3rd KP of mafia or shot by a vigi or he's a liar. Your answer to that question would at least give us some information V7. Syllo was far more pro-town than anyone else on Rad's list. I think I said back on day 1 I was willing to sheep him because I had a strong town read on him. As for the v7 thing, that doesn't even make sense. v7 would already have claimed it if he was hit. Trust me on this one, mafia does not have 3kp in this setup. They have 2kp and annul was shot by a vigilante, and I think that vigilante was mr. syllogism. Why do you think mafia got 2KP? The usual thing is (#mafia / 2) rounded up so I thought it's not that far-fetched to believe they got 3KP. Also vigi's can't shoot n1 can they? Last game (the 80player thing) I was a vigi for the first time and it specifically said I can't shoot n1 and I had to wait until n2 to shoot the fuck out of Drazerk. The usual amount of mafia in a 25 player game is 5, which is probably why we have things like my double vote, as the mafia are 6 in this game. [...]
Do mafias have 2 KP like you said in those 25v5 setups or 3KP? That's the important question.
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On December 07 2011 23:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 23:01 Toadesstern wrote:On December 07 2011 22:57 Palmar wrote:On December 07 2011 22:53 Toadesstern wrote:On December 07 2011 22:47 Palmar wrote:On December 07 2011 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On December 07 2011 20:38 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, I don't think it all that heinously unlikely a town medic would target annul. However, 2 people claiming roleblock seems too high, which makes me think we might have a jailkeeper. But of course if we have a jailkeeper we don't have 2 medics.
More importantly, does Annul look like scum? I honestly can't tell. I can certainly see a lot of mafia motivation in his posts and actions(jumping on Palmar, casting suspicion on me multiple times, thinking Soap was red and then getting super upset when he died), but his tone looks genuine.
I actually agree here. If I were a medic I probably would have protected rad or annul. I was sitting there yesterday, looking at rads list and thoubt about our options. Syllo was kind of weird. Everyone said he's doing fine but I can't see a lot he did for town, so he was a nullread for me. Palmar was not going to be shot no matter what. He screwed day1 and still a lot of people think he's mafia (he calls them bad but players but still). Why would mafia want to hit that? What's left on rads list would be me, rad and annul. As I'm talking about what I would have done as medic I obviously am not able to protect myself. So it would be either rad or annul. Yeah a close one, I think rad's more important if he's town but some people attacked him and called him out. While palmar gets called out mostly by new players those guys who question his style are more experienced players. I think red, jackal and erandorr kinda-a-fosed him? So I'd either protected rad or hoped they let him live because there's some people attacking him. This goes out to V7: Annul claimed he got shot and protected. Did you get shot and protected? Dza... already claimed he protected you so if you got shot as well it would be some weird 3KP mafia + vigi which makes 4 KP (syllo, ss, annul, V7). Right now it looks like annul was the 3rd KP of mafia or shot by a vigi or he's a liar. Your answer to that question would at least give us some information V7. Syllo was far more pro-town than anyone else on Rad's list. I think I said back on day 1 I was willing to sheep him because I had a strong town read on him. As for the v7 thing, that doesn't even make sense. v7 would already have claimed it if he was hit. Trust me on this one, mafia does not have 3kp in this setup. They have 2kp and annul was shot by a vigilante, and I think that vigilante was mr. syllogism. Why do you think mafia got 2KP? The usual thing is (#mafia / 2) rounded up so I thought it's not that far-fetched to believe they got 3KP. Also vigi's can't shoot n1 can they? Last game (the 80player thing) I was a vigi for the first time and it specifically said I can't shoot n1 and I had to wait until n2 to shoot the fuck out of Drazerk. The usual amount of mafia in a 25 player game is 5, which is probably why we have things like my double vote, as the mafia are 6 in this game. [...] Do mafias have 2 KP like you said in those 25v5 setups or 3KP? That's the important question. in 20 vs 5 mafia usually has 3 kp until 1 mafia is dead, although it's not a rule. in 19 v 6, I have a hard time mafia KP rule applies because it means we'd have to kill 2 mafia to get it down to 2 kp.
O right, I took those 25for townies for some reason. Yeah obviosuly 20v5 is easier than 19vs6 because it's one townie more and one mafia more. So yeah my bad that makes much more sense now.
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