EPTPersonally, I can't say that too much information can be gained from nightkills even if you're in a tightly knit community like the one I've got opdom in. So long as there's a game of mafia, there will be WIFOM.
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Personally, I can't say that too much information can be gained from nightkills even if you're in a tightly knit community like the one I've got opdom in. So long as there's a game of mafia, there will be WIFOM. | ||
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On December 07 2011 16:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would a town-aligned player even use that role? It's been said already, but I'd like to reitterate that normally vote-rigging roles are scum roles. They just make more sense as scum roles. Therefor, I believe Palmar's role-claim. I think he's a scum Floridian. --- Here (10:13PM) we see Palmar agree to switch both of his votes to Lanaia. I mean, he said she was "a bad lynch" (7:30PM), but hey, gotta avoid that no-lynch, right? Right guys? Oh wait...in Palmar's "sign-off post", he makes it very clear that no-lynch is preferable to killing townies! Also makes it clear, again, for the third or fourth time (I lost count), that anyone voting for him is bad/stupid/new or scum. I'm not scum, and I was voting for him. In every game that I've had votes that I have to PM to the mod, I've been town. One game showed my name and the other IIRC didn't say any name whatsoever. I did not see his post about switching his votes to me. He clearly didn't explain that when it happened. Thanks, VE, for pointing it out. But he did switch it again later on, but... I'm kind of confused. I know this isn't much, but I'll be back in the morning. I need to sleep. Be back in approx 10 hours. Maybe less. I do know that I don't really like what I saw based on VE's perspective of Palmar switching about because someone said to. | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:39 Mattchew wrote: I am slowly becoming more and more ok with lynching Palmar, and if he flips red following with the lynching V7. Red and Eran still waiting on the roles you claim to be blocked from doing... One of them could be mafia and had their KP blocked Can you explain the link with Palmar flipping red = we need to lynch vader? I fail to understand your logic here. I really don't like you asking people to claim. It's only d2. I don't think red is scum based on how I've seen him before. I don't know about Eran, but I'd like to hear a lot more from him. Right now, I'm unsure of who I'd like to lynch, but I'm going to tell you guys now. I won't be around for about... 2.5 hours before the lynch on Thursday as I have an exam 6 pm - 9 pm.  I like the case on prplhz but I'd like to see how prplhz feels about it. I'm starting to think Mattchew may be scum. He feels like he did last game to me. In regards to the Palmar/annul issue... I don't really see why scum wouldn't shoot at annul. How do we know for sure that he's been shot by syllo? I mean, it is probable, but not 100%. I also don't see why people think Palmar's role is more scum-like. I've had anonymous votes and been town. In fact, every game I've had extra votes in, I've been town. I'm honestly not sure I want to vote either of them at this point. And you. YOU. Cut it out with the one-liners. You're not helping anyone. That post means literally nothing. No wonder I'm getting a slight scumvibe off you. Erandorr, I have a few questions for you. On December 07 2011 14:44 Erandorr wrote: I was roleblocked, too. Can anyone explain how that fits with the block Red claimed? 1. Why would it have anything to do with red's block? There could be multiple RBs, as Drazerk's claimed role would lead me to believe. 2. Why did you think they'd be related in any way? On December 08 2011 00:26 Erandorr wrote: ##Vote: Annul ! I don't believe you ever explained this. 3. Why did you hop on Annul's bandwagon with NO explanation whatsoever? 4. Can you at least give us an explanation now? 5. Do you legitimately think annul is scum? 6. Why or why not? 7. Who, aside from annul, do you think is scum? I've read your filter and not found it enlightening. | ||
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A newer player could have protected annul over syllo for lack of knowing. Erandorr, one more thing... Why are you so blatantly following Palmar? In your answers, I saw very little thought that was your own. @Mattchew If you're looking for a case, why don't you make one on Eran? | ||
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On December 08 2011 05:01 Lanaia wrote: Can you explain the link with Palmar flipping red = we need to lynch vader? I would appreciate an answer to this. If I've missed it, I'm sorry. I just don't get the logic behind it. I really fail to see where you were going with it. Also I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to quote the QT from last game as I'm pretty sure we never gave it out. Read this spoiler please. + Show Spoiler + Also, I feel the need to quote this again... On December 06 2011 10:44 Incognito wrote: Enough with the SPAM. Stop posting one liners or there will be --- Posts like these: as well as the other one liners are unacceptable. Please consolidate your posting and keep this thread readable. Thanks! And this... On December 07 2011 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey all, please cut down on the one liner spam. Incog has asked at least twice already and I have received a PM from a player about the spam situation. This will be the last warning before more serious consequences begin to appear. as you guys are ignoring it, it seems. | ||
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On December 08 2011 06:39 Mattchew wrote: not ignored.. missed... my apologies I think that Palmar and V7 set up the entire situation so that V7 could shoot a townie early with an excuse. Palmar can just play the wtf happened and I didn't mean to get a townie shot card and then they are both cleared. Another question, then... If they were doing that, why wouldn't they have shot a more experienced and contributing player than Soap? Why would they do it d1? What exactly makes you think they did this? On December 08 2011 06:41 Mattchew wrote: And why should I not post the QT? Is there a rule against that? If there is I will accept punishment, it was an honest mistake. I'm not sure, but it's technically private still, and where I'm from, you're typically not allowed to use info outside of the game that not everyone has access to. It very well could be different here. My apologies. I was incorrect. On December 08 2011 05:25 sandroba wrote: If you are medic and protected annul please claim right now so we can lynch both of you. Have a good day. Missed this a while ago. I really don't see why we'd lynch both and I also don't see why we need yet another roleclaim. I do agree with Toad's case on Eran. Mattchew, red is correct in that your post saying why you're going to vote red is scummy. You say you haven't seen a case that you truly believe in, which implies the case on red is one you don't believe in. If that's so, why are you on red? | ||
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I'm sorry, I don't know how active I'm going to be for the next 8 hours... I am panicking as I can't make this assignment work and I fail the class if I don't finish it so I am scared. I have 25 hours to finish it. | ||
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On December 08 2011 15:14 Mattchew wrote: I'd be surprised if anyone on this list was mafia sorry I'm not sorry for being honest (or it might turn out I'm just stupid) Can you at the very least explain why you'd be surprised? | ||
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On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote: I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging. On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba. So why was he killed? I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it. It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways. I don't like this stuff where you're saying you'll switch to whoever has the highest vote... Are you saying you don't care who gets lynched? Are you kidding me? That is a terrible reason to think I'm scum. How the hell is that a motive to kill someone? I have a question as reading Zephhy's post has made me reconsider a bit... information is better... If we mislynch today, are we still safe from autolosing? | ||
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I don't understand the argument for lynching annul besides "a town doc wouldn't protect him." I don't even think that's a fair argument to make. On December 09 2011 06:07 hyshes wrote: Drazerk just loves to play aggressively and claims whatever he thinks is necessary to get people talking and slipping. I've played together with him as mason 2 games ago. He is leaning very towards town for me. I agree here. He feels town to me as well. Truthbringer, I'd like you to explain why you think I'm scum based on supersoft dying. Why would I kill someone because they said something about women? I don't understand the logic behind that. Also those beautiful quotes from eran you posted made me giggle. Thanks for that, I needed it. However, your dissection makes sense. It really wasn't a case he made. Erandorr is my biggest scumread and I will not change my vote off him today. | ||
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I'm wondering if I should because a replacement was made and I don't like voting replacements right away. Ethically, is it bad for me to keep my vote where it is? I don't want to vote annul because I think he's town and I don't think I want to vote Palmar. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:02 Radfield wrote: Who other than erandorr do you think is scummy? I think Matt and Corrupt are scummy. Matt might just be leftovers from last game though. I thought he was pretty scummy then. Corrupt has felt scummy to me all game. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote: ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? 1. Toad. 2. Town | ||
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I personally would not have chosen prplhz as a target. He wasn't that scummy imho. I would have shot someone I felt was more likely to be scum. I wouldn't've allowed someone else to choose my target, either. I also would have actioned n1. On December 09 2011 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Why couldn't there be two town Jacks, I'm cornfused? You guys claim that 6/19 is abnormally high Mafia voting power - couldn't they offset that with increased town KP? These were my thoughts in regards to people assuming annul cannot be town. On December 09 2011 11:25 Radfield wrote: Do you guys actually think a town player would just toss his dayvig to the wind in the hopes some other player gets it right!? Annul is up against the ropes here the only way to save his ass is to hit a mafia, and you think he's going to put the gun in TOADS hand?? Screw that, you cock the gun and fire at your strongest scum read, the one presumably leading the lynch on you(remember if you are town you know the wagon on you is bs too). Kingjames, Jackal, mattchew, toad, lanaia, VE, Please switch your votes to annul. No way what he did comes from a townie mindset. That would be the worst play ever, unless you thought you had terrible terrible scum reads(which annul most certainly does not think of himself) Keep in mind prplhz just got shot, so we are down to 9 votes on annul, but still need 11. Corrupt, in the off chance that you actually place a vote and don't get modkilled, please vote annul. I don't think I would have switched even if I had still been around. I was not going to vote someone I thought was town. On December 09 2011 12:32 Mattchew wrote: anyone on palmar looks really scummy v7 just gave concrete proof hes town On December 09 2011 12:38 Mattchew wrote: palmar and annul got cleared by v7 Unless I'm missing something... nothing is 100% right now... I like the case on refallen. On December 09 2011 12:51 Risen wrote: Do not force people to vote for someone they don't think is scum. Let people come to their own logical conclusions. [...] People need to vote for who they think is scum. Bandwagons are stupid. Thank you, Risen. I've removed the part I disagree with. On December 09 2011 14:09 redFF wrote: he's not confirmed floridian, you're never confirmed until you flip. I'm in agreement with this statement as there are few roles that can confirm alignment for everyone to know from what I've seen. I'd prefer a nolynch to lynching someone I believe is town. I know I'm late, but those are just my thoughts. Had we lynched town, we'd be in an even worse position. I personally feel it's technically better. Right now, red feels town to me, but every other time I play with him I read him as scum so I really have no idea what to make of it. On TL, when you mason someone, does it ONLY work if it's town and you die otherwise or is it something different here? | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:29 vaderseven wrote: Honestly, aanul has 100% verified his claim. What would a jack that can do a traditional cop be useful to as the mafia? THINK PEOPLE THINK. I don't understand why that would make him 100% town. He didn't say every ability. On December 09 2011 23:25 vaderseven wrote: And he confirmed to me that he has the same options that I have. Confirmed to you != confirmed. Jesus, CUT IT OUT WITH THE INSULTS. It's unnecessary. Mattchew is still rubbing me the wrong way. Palmar's making me feel guilty for not voting someone I thought was town. :/ Sandroba's also making me feel guilty. Maybe they're right about annul.... | ||
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It's just a figure of speech. On December 10 2011 06:40 Drazerk wrote: Personally I would of preferred you not choose from rad's list and shot me it makes a lot more sense than prplhz This is something I agree with. There were what, six people on erandorr at the time? That's six people that probably thought he was scum, yourself included, toad. On December 10 2011 07:15 vaderseven wrote: Let me be clear about the annul being for sure a jack in my eyes. I stated something that SHOULD have received a certain reaction if he has the exact same role as mine. When I asked about he INSTANTLY said exactly what he should have said. This verified that he knows the correct powers that the jack role has access to. Does this mean he's town to you for sure, though? Are you 100% sure he's NOT a scum jack? Fuck. They were right. Sorry I was a goddamn idiot and didn't just vote him. This feels like the Harry Potter vs Voldemort thing all over again. Well, I guess what I'm doing tomorrow, then. On December 10 2011 07:24 Toadesstern wrote: what if they got some bullshit like a one-time tracker or something like that. That'd be just useless for mafia wouldn't it? So? They don't HAVE to use it. Like they said, they really only can use two of the actions. Are you saying that everything always has a good use? We don't know everything that's in this game. | ||
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On December 10 2011 07:35 Drazerk wrote: Also have you guys noticed that both day vigi's have been told to consider / kill me but non of them have? yeah, I noticed that as well. What does it say about you, though, do you think? On December 10 2011 07:39 Toadesstern wrote: I'm just saying V7 obviously has more information on what is going on than I do. Also I think V7 is basicly confirmed right now. Therefore I'm trusting him with what he says, at least I think he's honest. If he truly thinks there's a good reason to not lynch annul because of what was said I'm saying we should take a look at other people first. I think his decision with a lot of information is better than my decision-makeing without information at all. Sometimes, though, like other people have said, they throw in identical or extremely similar roles. In Steamship, my role was very similar to a scum's role. Harry Potter and Voldemort were literally the same role with a different name. That's what I'm kind of basing my change of heart on here. | ||
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On December 10 2011 07:57 Drazerk wrote: I think scum are trying to keep me alive for some reason. For the WIFOM, do you think, so they can get a mislynch on you? Toad, if you think it's so troubling he's alive, why didn't you TELL ANNUL TO SHOOT HIM? Would have been 1,000,000 times better. You really should have considered that a bit more. God, this is starting to make my brain hurt. I don't understand the motives of recent actions. ALSO I WILL NOT BE HERE FROM 4 pm PST to 8 pm PST because of work. | ||
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On December 10 2011 12:55 Radfield wrote: Upon rereading truthbringers filter, I think he is probably town. He has a lot of "scummy" comments, but I they are often over the top scummy, which leads me to believe they are red-herrings. His general posting seems pretty decent. I don't really understand... what is a red herring? On December 10 2011 14:15 Refallen wrote: I protected palmar last night and I protected drazerk on day one. I thought I should claim now as several people think I'm scummy. I don't recall that many people thinking you're scummy. Might have been a little early to claim for you, hun. Now that we know palmar is town (barring roles that can change how mafia appears), I'm not 100% sure how we should move forward. Should we be lynching annul even though it's not 100% that he's mafia? We don't know if there's a third medic. The only reason I don't like the fact the parity doc claimed is because I feel he's probably a bit of a target now. I wish radfield hadn't died. Presently my strongest townread. | ||
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On December 10 2011 14:55 Refallen wrote: Sorry, got the feeling that people thought I was scum (kingjames, plus a few others who said they liked his case against me) and I thought it was better to claim early and avoid the shenanigans that happened yesterday. Don't be sorry. It would have happened sooner or later. Draz and I have already gone over this. I think it was the beginning of night. | ||
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