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On December 12 2011 02:14 Bluelightz wrote:
Its my first game dont expect much from me :p
anyway im gonna look @ people's filter & post my analysis of the one i think is most scummies when i can also
gottl sleep cya c:
This kind of attitude is really frowned upon. It's many people's first game here. We expect you to contribute just like everybody else.
On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote:
PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis
Even if you're not sure on a lynch just give us your opinions. You need to post your thoughts and analysis to show your alignment, not just help catch scum.
Reading through you're filter, you've given us nothing and just agreed with the majority of the town.
When you wake up give us some analysis, nobody cares if you're 100% sure about who is scum, it just helps to get everybody's thoughts.
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On December 06 2011 04:20 xtfftc wrote:
I think we have two good targets: xsk and Adam (and possibly Jay) but at least there's just one lurker in the game, so lynching Bbyte is somewhat okay.
I've been very vocal about my views on policy lynches and starting another discussion on LAL won't do town any good, so I won't repeat myself. But I really think that it gives mafia an easy ride. Look at how happy xsk was to jump on it - and he's going to be asleep until the deadline, so he won't be changing his vote for a proper lynch.
Obviously, I'm a minority on policies, so you can do it - but I have no reasons to consider Bbyte mafia and lynching mafia is my priority.
On December 06 2011 05:49 xtfftc wrote:
So, I want to lynch xsk for reprimading Blazinghand when Blazinghand was pushing the town forward; for switching from calling out Blazinghand on being too aggressive to being really aggressive himself with no proper reason (and without pushing the town agenda forward); for "pressuring" people but making sure they know that he is happy to unvote them; for jumping on the Bbyte lynch (the easy lynch at the time) after he saw that no one is happy with going after one of the players who looks a lot like town, Tunkeg. I didn't like how he defended himself yesterday (claiming that it's unfair to accuse him of not chasing mafia because he's been doing analysis... just not sharing it with us) but what followed was even worse: tunneling on EB, trying to discredit Tunkeg, and then going after the lurker. Where are his other reads?
I'll post on Adam in a bit.
Also, I think that if you consider one of the lynch candidates to be mafia, you should go for him. If you think that we are unlikely to catch some mafia tonight, by all means do vote for Bbyte the lurker.
On December 06 2011 07:26 xtfftc wrote:
I'm going to bed, so I'm voting for Bbyte. It's not ideal but it's better than some unpleasant last minute surprise.
##Unvote: xsksc
##Vote: BByte
lol, you said that you fought vigorously against the BByte lynch? This is just an outright lie. before the lynch you make several statements such as: there's just one lurker in the game, so lynching Bbyte is somewhat okay.
If you think that we are unlikely to catch some mafia tonight, by all means do vote for Bbyte the lurker.
Then in your last post you even vote for him. "fought vigorously against the BByte lynch" is just complete and utter bullshit.
You were completely willing to vote for him.
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BKEXE, 4 hours until the lynch. You said before that your 2 strongest reads are ey215/Xtfftc. Give us your case on xtf.
Needless to say though the chance of them both being scum together are extremely low.
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Blazinghand is going to be pissed lol.
On a friendlier note.
@BKEXE : I think you played pretty well on your last day, you figured out how to format your posts, you came back and contributed to the game at the end and gave us your reads. (instead of the post the day before when you gave up without realizing there was over a day left.)
Your play at the start was poor but you improved 
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Also a wierd fact.
BKEXE/BByte/Adam4167/EB Were the people I considered the lurkers from the start of the game.
All of them have flipped and they were all vanilla townies.
It seems like lurkers tend to be bored townies more often than scum trying to avoid detection.
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I still think that Xtfftc is scum.
Additional Info from night kills
Both EB/Adam before they died were suspicious of xtfftc.
xtfftc was accusing EB of smurfing so it may help to explain EB's early death.
Nothing concrete just something that strengthens my views in my own eyes.
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On December 13 2011 02:47 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:30 layabout wrote:
@ the thread - please be active and contribute
i think at this stage it is reasonable to state that blues (cop and tracker) may have some information and that there is a considerable chance that you might get shot tonight (2blues out of 6 town) i hope that you realise that if you die sitting on information then town does not benefit from it.
i think that it is worth thinking about claiming immediately before the nightpost (please use common sense) How do you know blues are cop and tracker this game?
I don't really agree with them claiming, if they had information its probably been bread crumbed.
Cop/tracker are the only blues who could have information to claim. (no doc saves)
It would be really bad if a doctor claimed.
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Damn me and my temptations!
GG all. GL townies, bring it home
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On December 15 2011 19:20 Palmar wrote:To those who didn't already know, I was playing in this game as the smurf "ElectricBlack". This was of course done with the approval of the hosts: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From Palmar: Yes, of course. ElectricBlack will by my smurf. Show nested quote +Original Message From Zona: I think it's something worth trying, and I'm glad you're looking for ways to help others raise their level of play. I've asked Forumite if he has any objections, and he tells me he doesn't, I"ll give you the go ahead. However, I will expect you to adopt a polite tone of voice, and dramatically reduce your level of aggression. Otherwise, the entire exercise could prove counterproductive. Original Message From Palmar: Hi, I would like to play in your student mafia game, using a smurf. The reason for this is I want to help elevate the level of gameplay in the newbie game as fast as I possibly can, and much more than coaching, directly involving myself in the game and leading by example will be quite important. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Being_a_good_ICThe idea of the role I would play is similar to this one, and I would obviously request to be put on the town side. If everything goes well I'd expect to be shot night 1, leaving town with at least an idea on how to approach the game. Let me know what you think about this. I would like to know how the new players in this game felt about the presence of a veteran in the game. I used this article: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Being_a_good_IC as a guideline on how to handle my play this game, I tried to be less aggressive than I usually am, without cutting off that edge that makes me successful as mafia. Unfortunately the game started on a night I was out with the wife for several hours so I only got plenty of posting in later in the day. The reason for using a smurf was because I did not want the game to become about me. With all the coaches knowing me and my play, I feel an unreasonable amount of weight would've been put into my posting. I tried to call out incorrect play wherever I could, and lead by example with the case on HassyBaby. I don't think I did a magnificent job, but I think I did alright. I would very much like feedback from the players of this game, both town and scum, on how and if we should continue introducing veteran players in newbie games to help create a more useful town atmosphere. For what it's worth, the townies of this game should really be commended for creating the most awesome scumhunting atmosphere I have ever seen in a TL mafia game. Seriously, this town was better at looking town than almost any other town I've played with. Mad props to you all. Some of you may have noticed I did finger all three mafia on day 1: Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:09 ElectricBlack wrote:On December 06 2011 10:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Atm i wouldnt vote hassybaby for the same reason i didn't vote Bbyte. Hassybaby has not been able to defend himself. And now that Bbyte is hear hes came to late to defend himself. I hope hes mafia but i dont have a good feeling about this. And I think you're the last scum That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy. Game solved. Next one? This is not because I'm some kinda awesome scumhunter, or because they all fucked up. What really happened this game is that the town played such a transparent, useful and good game, that simply through process of elimination I could find all the mafia. Veteran towns can learn a lot from you guys, I am thoroughly impressed with your play. When all townies look town, it's much, much easier to pick the mafia out from the rest.
Can you guys please answer these questions: Did you like having a veteran in the newbie game?Would you prefer the veteran did not smurf?Would you prefer giving both factions a veteran?
The bottom line from this game is that you guys, as complete newbies, managed to create the most healthy town discussion I have ever seen on day one. I can't overstate how impressed I am with it. Good Job.
It seems like having a veteran in the game is a good idea.
You were able to find the scum team really easily this game so it seems kind of imbalanced without having a veteran on the scum team as well.
If you weren't smurfing the game would have been over in 3 days.
Everybody would have blindly followed you, you would have been healed and the game would be over.
Plus if you want 2 veterans on either side you would instantly know that the other veteran was scum, so better off with smurf accounts.
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I was reading through the mafia QT and @Jay now that we know that BH was not a cop you could have gotten out of that lynch. He asked you to give him a case better than his on you and he would let you go, you probably should have made a case on ey215, making a case on veli/BH wasn't going to save you.
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Well it ended prematurely but it was fun.
Thx for hosting Zona!
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So then BlueLightz didn't give up too soon
BH was going to heal veli and Veli was going to check bluelightz.
Town was lucky I got killed because I would have made a case on BH which probably would have led to BH role claiming, me getting lynched and BH getting shot.
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I figured there was no way that Blue could be scum because mafia would help him post better than that.
Also he seems to me like the kind of scum player that would follow Xtf's case on layabout and vote him to save xtf.
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On December 16 2011 03:37 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote:On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh). Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams). Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable. Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post. In retrospect, I should have just roleclaimed to ensure the lynch. 5-1 with the suspicions town had for the next two days would have won the game
For sure, you claim and get it down to 5 town -1 scum, you ensure yourself at least 1 more check, in this scenario it turns out that BH was the medic so you were going to be healed without claiming, but if tunkeg or ey was the medic BH would have been healed and you would probably be killed.
If I was scum you would be one of my earliest kills, you were on everybody's townie list but not nearly as likely to be protected like BH.
I can sort of see a reason for why BH didn't want to claim now. Everybody assumed that he was a cop and a lot of his posts make him look blue, so if you claimed cop scum would probably realize he was the medic.
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I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum.
This was the post that really threw me off.
"As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). "
This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked.
(if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.)
It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate.
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