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On December 05 2011 12:51 xsksc wrote:
What do you mean by my spacing?
You read my post and all you can comment on is my not liking you spacing lol
Idk it was ok it just makes it overly big
But lets not start comparing post sizes we all know where that arguement leads
Also i made a post a while back CLICK MEH what do you think of it most of the reads remain unchanged with exceptions to EB i also find Bbyte case on veli something that might change my stance on them but as far no.
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OK guys im reading up on the thread now I have to say the main big problem i find thats going on in this town. Not even in related to the mafia is this.
Everyone is getting so heating we have had people get angry and make posts that dont contribute at all to discussion. You can see it so many times in the thread.
First it was the ey and BH arguments where for the most part it was fun but then snide comments where made about one person and a bit of a angry retort back.
Then it was EB who got angry at BH for trying to force him to vote saying him not voting was to spite him. This doesnt help anyone and paints EB in a bad light regardless if hes mafia or not.
And after that xsksc made a call saying he wanted to lynch some people he thought were being retarded.
I even think i might have missed another case of this happening.
Granted everyone came back and admitted that they went over board.
But guys getting angry and letting your emotions guide your responses isn't going to help us. We have to rely on our logic alone and analyze. If your angry or annoyed or pissed just take a second and reread what your typing, and see if your helping the town or hurting it.
Thats what i got to say atm. Ill post some more comments on what else happened in the thread in a bit.
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Ok so adam posted me as scummy. At least finally we get his reads.
I dont mind if you think im scummy. Just make a real case for it.
You too BH if you wanna call me scummy awesome i just want to see some real case not a off hand remark about. How you think i might be scummy. And second off you called me scummy as well as adam and BKEXE i want cases ffs you say you wanna lynch Bbyte for what lurking if you have a scummy case on me plz lets hear it.
Also you say you think that the scum reads from you are for Me adam and BKEXE. Honestly how does that even make sense. I know i defended BKEXE. I honestly dont see him as scum. But i was really hoping he would post more. He posted on adam. Which is great but he just isn't a huge contributing factor this game. Maybe i was wrong about BKEXE but tell me why.
And also If adam is scum why would he push his two "scum buddies" which in your opinion is Me and BKEXE. It does make any sense. If i was scum why the hell would i push adam and then for him to OMGUS me back. It doesn't add up.
Honestly adam i was hoping to see some analyze not a simple OMGUS. I have tried to be active in this game posting my reads. And what i have to say about. Right now i dont agree with the Bytes lynch i think it will end up being a policy lynch and not scum lynch.
I think him voting Veli is him trying to contribute. I think its misguided but i dont think its the right vote we should be making.
Grack i want your opinion.
BKEXE wont be hear till lynch which does not make me happy. I do not like the Bbyte lynch. I do feel like xsksc would be a possiblity. Im going to reread a bit. So right now i think i might go for Xsksc or adam im gonna reread for a bit and decide
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And xtfffc i just saw our post.
If you wanna call me me scummy come out and say it im done with people soft claiming someones scum with out a real reason behind it. I honestly think that bullshit like that is not going to help the town.
If people want to lynch me then great go for it but if i want some damn good cases against me. And if i die i want it to be obvious who the scum were that were pushing my lynch.
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EB what do you think about the current cases againt xsksc and bbyte and adam
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Well to be honest i dont see us lynching Hassybaby today.
Even if i voted for him it would not happen. I dont really have much of a read on him. Ill go read his filter again but so far i noticed he hasnt post much at all and that he seems to be lacking in content.
Im going to post my case in a bit. Sorry its taking a while
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Ok so i am going to vote for adam.
On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:
If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear
You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =).
This is the first post he made that caught my attention. He claims the mantle of of a bored townie. You prove your a townie by posting content and and contributing your reads and discussion which as far you hadn't.
I think that he was obviously lurking for a while. He made a post against BH and then later apologized for it after he came under alot of scrutiny. He stated that he would of had the same reaction if he had been somber but at the same times says it was a misguided attempt.
He makes a case against BKEXE who i think is a every easy lynch target.
What do Adam do when he comes out from lurking. Well he points his finger at another lurker.
Then adam moves on to me.
On December 05 2011 15:31 Adam4167 wrote:Jaybrundage Jay’s reads on me seem weak and effortless. He labels me as scum for ‘lurking’ and says I come off as happy to fly under the radar and just posting to keep up ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12590767). While, I’ll give him the lurking thing (lurking and inactivity look awfully similar), I don’t think id describe my play as flying under the radar. I misguidedly attacked everyone’s most confirmed townie and have launched myself right into the spotlight by doing so. This is not apathetic behaviour. These reads feel fabricated because I made myself an easy target due to my inactivity and less than stellar response to BH’s aggression. Jay even states here ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12583286) that lynching lurkers is not a good policy, yet has focused a majority of his attention on me… for lurking ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12592678) and I have even earned his vote for doing so. This is very inconsistent logic. Jay also posts for the sake of posting, even weaving idle bullshit in like mentioning xsksc’s spacing? What is the relevance of that to the game? The rest of his posts seem equally as half-hearted and filler. The TLDR version amounts to: I have scum reads on both Jaybrundage and BloodKingEXEI am willing to give ElectricBlack the benefit of the doubt until his next post. Everyone else Ill consider "town"/null as I am not trusting enough to ever consider anyone 100% town. As such, ##Vote: Jaybrundage
Adam does have a point tho i had posted no real case on him just my general reads.
While i did call him scummy because he was not only lurking but also in a suspicious way. If no one calls out the lurkers then they can just stay hidden.
Thats why BH put his vote on you and many other people. You finally put out some reads. But it was a OMGUS even then and a easy lynch target to boot.
You even mention me talking about xsksc spacing. What the fuck how is that even relevant to me being a mafia or not.
And then adam defends xsksc who seems like he might all so be potential mafia. I still will stand by my read of tunkeg i think he is only trying to get some solid posts out of people and i think he might have a lead on something but as it stands so far
Im still going to be voting for adam
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I really hopes Bbyte can come in here and defend himself.
I know hes been semi lurking but he hasn't even got to see this recent move against him.
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EB you called xtfffc on being scummy why do you say that and if your on the fence about xsksc what do you think about tunkeg
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xtffc you still havent told me why you think im mafia and again if you think adam is bussing me (really) then why would i try to buss him back its makes no sense comon give me something you too BH get on here and post
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ey are you planning on voting for hassybaby.
So far bbyte is gonna get lynched regardless unless we have a change.I would still like to see his defense. But so far it doesnt look good.
But honestly last minute switches always put me at unease. I still plan to stick to adam i would like to see what he has to say about whats going on so far.
And EB if you think adam is not a good candidate plz state why this post.
On December 06 2011 05:45 ElectricBlack wrote:
reconsider that, he's the worst candidate.
Isn't going to change anything. Put in some content i would like to see more of your thoughts.
But besides Hassybaby's case which was actually pretty good. And you arguing with xsksc which granted showed that you can post very well when you want too. Why give me this one liner it's not gonna change anything
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Well looks like Bbyte is going to be the lynch target of today.
Its weird when ever BH sets his sight on someone it seems most everyone follows suit.
While i believe his vote on veli was really out of place and not supported with much evidence i do think that it would be odd for a mafia to just vote someone seemingly pro-town. Without any support.
Im not going to vote for him because i don't think hes mafia.
BH you never gave me any answer why you think im scum please enlighten me.
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Ok im going to make a full response to BH but first what do you mean by hedging i thought it might be a mafia term but i looked it up. And got nothing and also adam i was talking about BKEXE being a easy lynch.
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BH i cant even understand your post what the fuck is hedging lol. Half of your statements are me hedging someone. So plz tell me what it means
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Atm i wouldnt vote hassybaby for the same reason i didn't vote Bbyte. Hassybaby has not been able to defend himself. And now that Bbyte is hear hes came to late to defend himself. I hope hes mafia but i dont have a good feeling about this.
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On December 07 2011 09:33 Blazinghand wrote:
FYI it's also everyone's fault the lynch went the wrong way, since we all failed to capture a majority. I'm just saying that if you have a solid read, you have a BIG responsibility to convince the rest of us. ESPECIALLY if you're right.
Also, most towns mislynch on the first day.
Im going to write my post up on what i think went on this night. Sorry for being a bit inactive. I saw BH post about no posting and then was really busy so i didnt get around till now.
But BH honestly i find this statement really suspicious. But BH you Succeded to capture the majority. You made the case against Bbyte and your case garnered the majority. It almost seems like your trying to take the chunk of responsibility off your back. I put down what i thought about adam. And said why i didnt like BBytes case. Im going back to make my posts about what else happened tonight. As well as response to your nice post about me. Thank you for that btw :D
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Well BH time to get to your post.
Half of my posts you called Hedging. The way you post it i assumed hedging was something a mafia would do.
However as far as i can see it hedging is just stating your opinion with out stating it as a fact or a statement correct?
Well ofc this is the case so far the only person who's alignment i know is me and Bbyte.
Therefore i could state Bbyte is a town or that he was pushing a town agenda but was lurking. I would not have to say i think hes pushing a town agenda. Or it seems to me. Or any of that bullshit.
The reason i use this hedging is because i don't know anything. Everything that i state is speculation, analyze, and my thoughts on a matter.
So in the end everyplace that you said i was hedging was really just me giving my thoughts and opinions on someone.
Then you bold where i stated something about breadcrumbs and WBGs play
On December 06 2011 09:02 Blazinghand wrote:
What i said
BByte-
He has posted but not alot he seems content to just respond to people. He did comment about breadcrumbs which is true. Its funny because in my game of Mini Mafia X WBG claimed a blue role and because he breadcrumbed it people beleived him. He did post his reads on people which is good. I would like to see more posting from him. My question is what do you think of adam Bbyte
What BH wrote
Continuing to dislike Adam. Says Bbyte is quiet, but crucially talks about WBG's breadcrumbing in mini mafia X, claiming that it caused people to believe him... while crucially leaving out the fact that WBG wasn't actually the jailkeeper in that game. WBG was a mafia member using breadcrumbs to pretend to be the jailkeeper. People bought his story, and so he won as mafia. This is NOT a good example of breadcrumbing, this is showing its crucial limitations! WBG WAS NOT BLUE IN THAT GAME.
Ok for this im going to get Bbyte's quote so we have some context.
On December 04 2011 21:58 BByte wrote:Good morning afternoon, nice to get the game started. On policies: Lynch all liars and Lynch all lurkers are useful tools for hunting scum and promoting valid town discussion. Some random points:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:38 ElectricBlack wrote:On December 04 2011 12:26 xsksc wrote:
Well, with something like a counter-claim, we have to decide who's telling the truth and who's not, breadcrumbs are useful for this later in the game. Breadcrumbs aren't useful. Nothing about breadcrumbs confirms the person performing them. There is nothing that stops the mafia from having an elaborately thought out claim they've breadcrumbed since day one. Do not attempt to use breadcrumbs to confirm anything. Breadcrumbs alone can't confirm a claim, but they can still be useful in analyzing which claimant is the real one. Depending on who the claimants checked, whether any of those checks flipped is still valid information to use. Back to reading the thread, more thoughts later. Also feel free to ask me anything, I'll be happy to discuss stuff that's not already beaten to death.
Hm So i said that WBG was roleclaiming and because of his Breadcrumbs people believed him (incorrectly because he did turn out to be mafia).
But as Bbyte said Breadcrumbs alone can't confirm a claim So i agree with him. Because WBG used them to his advantage as mafia. Maybe i assumed that people would know about the game.
But i dont think i did anything mafia like in this maybe just assuming something?
Moving on
You criticize my comment that no one should get heated in the thread. Are you honestly calling that post Link
Do you think that we should let our emotions guide our conversation. I was using examples but getting heated in this game is not gonna help us.
I could call you out as Stupid and being idiotic for lynching a townie. But obviously even if i was pissed it would be dumb to do that.
I think that we can both agree that you making a snide remark to ey about playing lol didnt help at all in finding mafia. Don't you agree?
On December 06 2011 04:48 jaybrundage wrote:
I dont mind if you think im scummy. Just make a real case for it.
You too BH if you wanna call me scummy awesome i just want to see some real case not a off hand remark about. How you think i might be scummy. And second off you called me scummy as well as adam and BKEXE i want cases ffs you say you wanna lynch Bbyte for what lurking if you have a scummy case on me plz lets hear it.
Also you say you think that the scum reads from you are for Me adam and BKEXE. Honestly how does that even make sense. I know i defended BKEXE. I honestly dont see him as scum. But i was really hoping he would post more. He posted on adam. Which is great but he just isn't a huge contributing factor this game. Maybe i was wrong about BKEXE but tell me why.
And also If adam is scum why would he push his two "scum buddies" which in your opinion is Me and BKEXE. It does make any sense. If i was scum why the hell would i push adam and then for him to OMGUS me back. It doesn't add up.
Honestly adam i was hoping to see some analyze not a simple OMGUS. I have tried to be active in this game posting my reads. And what i have to say about. Right now i dont agree with the Bytes lynch i think it will end up being a policy lynch and not scum lynch.
I think him voting Veli is him trying to contribute. I think its misguided but i dont think its the right vote we should be making.
Grack i want your opinion.
BKEXE wont be hear till lynch which does not make me happy. I do not like the Bbyte lynch. I do feel like xsksc would be a possiblity. Im going to reread a bit. So right now i think i might go for Xsksc or adam im gonna reread for a bit and decide
What adam said
So, I think he's vaguely scummy, and have vague sumreads on adam and BKEXE. However, his reasoning is completely shitty. The fact of the matter is Mafia will gladly distance themselves from each other in town discussions! Mafia will throw each other under the bus to appear innocent, or work together to make it look like they're not bussing, etc. The fact that Adam is scummy, and so is BKEXE, does NOT Make JB innocent-- that's a logical fallacy the kind of which gets towns buried.
Im going to state this right now. My logic is completely sound and there is nothing wrong with it. What you are using is WIFOM for people not familiar with it hear is where it comes from. Link
To be clear you could be right if me, Adam and BKEXE are scum then i could be trying to buss my teammate to gain town cred (although your forgetting one thing we don't know anyone's alignment till they flip so i would have to lynch adam to bus him which i would love to do btw).
But if your using WIFOM logic i would know that bussing my teammate would be actually make me look mafia because they would think that bussing him would be a mafia thing to do. OR you could use WIFOM again and say i know that they know that they think i would be mafia to bus my teammate so i wont bus my teammate.
WIFOM is good to think about occasionaly but to state that my logic is shit is just not true. You would just state that i could be using WIFOM.
I hope that makes sense WIFOM is sometimes not easily understood for people not familiar with it. But at its simplest its just doing the not obvious thing to trick someone. Would i put a cup of poison in front of you to drink or closer to me so that you would take my cup.
On another note EB you wrote you think im scum. Plz provide a case. Or what you say is useless
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Briefly looking over you new case its pretty shitty with no content.
Nice use of caps to make it seem like you have a point. Your "core of your argument. Is also dumb is stated multiple times i did not like the Bbyte case. I'm not gonna let you steamroll the townies into another mislynch.
Ill give people some time to read my case before i comment again. I was not expecting EB to get killed i was thinking either BH Veli maybe Grack even. I really wish he had posted his case on me instead of his empty comment that he thinks I'm mafia.
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Dude you gotta read the thread more.
I still think your hedging comment is bullshit. I gave my opinion on things. I expect to be held fully accountable for what i state.
Lol if i was fully aware EB was dead why would i ask him for his case on me. I think your just putting pressure on me becauese of this post.
On December 07 2011 09:49 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 09:33 Blazinghand wrote:
FYI it's also everyone's fault the lynch went the wrong way, since we all failed to capture a majority. I'm just saying that if you have a solid read, you have a BIG responsibility to convince the rest of us. ESPECIALLY if you're right.
Also, most towns mislynch on the first day. Im going to write my post up on what i think went on this night. Sorry for being a bit inactive. I saw BH post about no posting and then was really busy so i didnt get around till now. But BH honestly i find this statement really suspicious. But BH you Succeded to capture the majority. You made the case against Bbyte and your case garnered the majority. It almost seems like your trying to take the chunk of responsibility off your back. I put down what i thought about adam. And said why i didnt like BBytes case. Im going back to make my posts about what else happened tonight. As well as response to your nice post about me. Thank you for that btw :D
You asked me for my case. Before the voting deadline. And i made it hear it is against adam
On December 06 2011 05:41 jaybrundage wrote:Ok so i am going to vote for adam. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:
If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear
You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =).
This is the first post he made that caught my attention. He claims the mantle of of a bored townie. You prove your a townie by posting content and and contributing your reads and discussion which as far you hadn't. I think that he was obviously lurking for a while. He made a post against BH and then later apologized for it after he came under alot of scrutiny. He stated that he would of had the same reaction if he had been somber but at the same times says it was a misguided attempt. He makes a case against BKEXE who i think is a every easy lynch target. What do Adam do when he comes out from lurking. Well he points his finger at another lurker. Then adam moves on to me. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 15:31 Adam4167 wrote:Jaybrundage Jay’s reads on me seem weak and effortless. He labels me as scum for ‘lurking’ and says I come off as happy to fly under the radar and just posting to keep up ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12590767). While, I’ll give him the lurking thing (lurking and inactivity look awfully similar), I don’t think id describe my play as flying under the radar. I misguidedly attacked everyone’s most confirmed townie and have launched myself right into the spotlight by doing so. This is not apathetic behaviour. These reads feel fabricated because I made myself an easy target due to my inactivity and less than stellar response to BH’s aggression. Jay even states here ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12583286) that lynching lurkers is not a good policy, yet has focused a majority of his attention on me… for lurking ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12592678) and I have even earned his vote for doing so. This is very inconsistent logic. Jay also posts for the sake of posting, even weaving idle bullshit in like mentioning xsksc’s spacing? What is the relevance of that to the game? The rest of his posts seem equally as half-hearted and filler. The TLDR version amounts to: I have scum reads on both Jaybrundage and BloodKingEXEI am willing to give ElectricBlack the benefit of the doubt until his next post. Everyone else Ill consider "town"/null as I am not trusting enough to ever consider anyone 100% town. As such, ##Vote: Jaybrundage Adam does have a point tho i had posted no real case on him just my general reads. While i did call him scummy because he was not only lurking but also in a suspicious way. If no one calls out the lurkers then they can just stay hidden. Thats why BH put his vote on you and many other people. You finally put out some reads. But it was a OMGUS even then and a easy lynch target to boot. You even mention me talking about xsksc spacing. What the fuck how is that even relevant to me being a mafia or not. And then adam defends xsksc who seems like he might all so be potential mafia. I still will stand by my read of tunkeg i think he is only trying to get some solid posts out of people and i think he might have a lead on something but as it stands so far Im still going to be voting for adam
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