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On December 05 2011 10:50 Blazinghand wrote: He said he's comfortable voting for Hassybaby, but he's obviously not-- he didn't take the 2-3 seconds to type in his vote. He's leading us by the nose. He's hiding behind the excuse of sleep to avoid an explanation, which I might buy. But to avoid slapping down a simple vote? No, this isn't normal. this is anti-town and I will not stand for it. Think about it-- if he's town, his actions don't make sense at all. Why not slap down the vote? If he's mafia his actions make perfect sense. I don't understand though from a scum perspective why he would say that Hassy is scum instead of jumping on the Adam bandwagon. Unless maybe they're both scum; it just seems like him not voting isn't enough to make me switch my vote. | ||
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We still have some time before the lynch, I'm going to wait for more posts from both Adam/EB before I'm sure about my vote but for now I'm going to leave it on Adam | ||
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On December 05 2011 11:30 Blazinghand wrote: Unfortunately, there's not much more to be said about EB due to his low post count, but after dinner I'll do some analysis on Adam's posting so far, since I DID vote for him initially. Yeah that's why it's such a hard decision between them. Right now I feel like Adam is more likely to flip scum and that EB will flip shitty townie. | ||
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On December 05 2011 11:47 Blazinghand wrote: It's possible EB is a fool and not a knave; but if he is a fool he's enough of one to appear a knave, and flagrantly so. It seems like a pretty stupid strategy for a scum player to behave like he did. His attitude alone makes people want to vote for him. That said If Adam makes some solid analysis I will switch my vote. | ||
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On December 05 2011 11:59 Blazinghand wrote: tl;dr: it's just as dumb for a town player to behave as he did as a scum player, so I'm not sure that argument fully applies. Still waiting on adam. That's a good point my logic was bad. He's a bad player either way for sure and is prbly just as likely to have behaved that way as scum as he would as town. I have this belief that the scum players would care more about the game than town and thus would act/play smarter. Adam was offline for a while so it will prbly take him some time to catch up with the thread. | ||
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On December 05 2011 12:39 xsksc wrote: Just out of interest, how many people are awake and active at this sort of time? Me, but I'm probably going to be sleeping pretty soon | ||
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On December 04 2011 21:12 xsksc wrote: Also, you make it sound like I've not been scum-hunting, which is a little unfair I think. I got the thread going, which gave us the content we need to analyse with. I've also noted how certain people are interacting, how people responded to pressure, how people feel about policies, etc etc. It will all be useful when it comes to deciding the lynch. Just because I haven't made a "dis guy hasn't posted 10 hours in so he must be scum" post, doesn't mean I'm not scum-hunting. The reason people think that you aren't scum hunting is because by just glancing through your filter you didn't seem to be doing any scum hunting until you gave us your list of reads recently. You should probably be more vocal about posts you find that seem suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote: This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167 Possible lynch Looks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByte Unsure He has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. Blazinghand Leaning town Blazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXE Town lurker/Maybe Scum A lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlack Scum This guy would be a GREAT lynch. He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215 Town? First post of his to take note of is this : He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftc Neutral These guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. Tunkeg Suspicious This guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. 4 posts later.... Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning town It's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure. That being said I like a lot of your reads, and they are pretty similar to mine. EB and Adam are the best scum reads the town has right now, one of them should be lynched day1 because they both look scummy and so far neither has contributed. (but Adam is about to so looking forward to that) BByte is going to remain unsure because he doesn't post nearly as much as most of the town. Tunkeg said something about a hidden agenda for Xtfftc, which I wish he could elaborate on, and his scum reads a bit off. I am kind of neutral on Ey215 so I wouldn't have called him town. xsksc is still a null read for me, he has a lot of the same reads as me but its only day1 and my reads could still be way off. Just for reference he played scum in newbie mini mafia, so if you are having a hard time reading him it might help to see how he tends to act as scum. | ||
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On December 05 2011 12:50 jaybrundage wrote: Grack what do you think of xsksc posts. it was a good bit of info I do like that he posts some analyze finally hopefully he can keep on the ball :p | ||
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On December 05 2011 13:33 xsksc wrote: That's because I spent the first early hours of the game creating and participating in discussion. If you don't have discussion you can't pick apart peoples posts and analyse. That post of mine you quoted is from over 15 hours ago, it's way easier to scum hunt now we have all this content. yeah you did, you were the first one to start the discussion with the policy lynches and I appreciate that. I actually like your response to what I said because it seems a lot like what you felt here On December 04 2011 15:04 xsksc wrote: Blazinghand, don't be so trigger-happy. Day 1 always starts like this, we have nothing to talk about so we create discussions. People aren't posting because there's no meangingful discussion going on. I got some going about policy lynches, we've discussed that to death though. Nobody is "lurking" right now because there is no meaningful discussion going on. People got called out during the start of the game (including myself) for only posting about policy lynches thus making us lurkers. There really wasn't much going on at that time and no real scum hunting was happening. You were just inactive at the wrong time due to different time zones. So at the time that everyone was just beginning to scumhunt and post their reads you were absent. Now you've shown us your reads and done a pretty good job of explaining them. | ||
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On December 05 2011 05:30 Tunkeg wrote: To be honest I did go abit wild with the coloring. I should perhaps have used more leaning town/leaning scum reads i my post. Anyways the reason I put ey215 as town was the feel I got from his posts. He posts his view about town-environment, he states his view about the risk of bandwagoning and that sort of stuff. All of which I consider pro-town posting. What I didn't incorperate in my analysis when posting the list was the defensive attitude he initially took against Blazinghand. Still my read on him is leaning town This quote + his changing of opinion on xsksc without anything further happening in the thread make Tunkeg suspicious. Tunkeg has shown some inconsistencies between what he puts on his reads and what he actually feels. @Blazinghand : You're my strongest town read and have shown that you're good at analyzing, can you give me you're opinion on Tunkeg once you get back from dinner. | ||
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Would like to see more Adam/EB(less pissed off and emotional) and Tunkeg posts. Good Night! | ||
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@Velinath we need to get out of this attitude of accusing people for being absent from the thread for more than 12 hours. I feel like it's starting to cause chaos because we end up accusing everybody for not posting much when it's likely that they may have been busy. That said xsksc and I came to the conclusion that Tunkeg was suspicious because he switched his reads without xsksc saying anything else in the thread. He goes from saying : xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt! In the first post it seems like he may be leaning town but only within a few hours, during a time when xsksc didn't say anything at all he changes his mind to believing he is scum: xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. On December 05 2011 05:30 Tunkeg wrote: To be honest I did go abit wild with the coloring. I should perhaps have used more leaning town/leaning scum reads i my post. Anyways the reason I put ey215 as town was the feel I got from his posts. He posts his view about town-environment, he states his view about the risk of bandwagoning and that sort of stuff. All of which I consider pro-town posting. What I didn't incorperate in my analysis when posting the list was the defensive attitude he initially took against Blazinghand. Still my read on him is leaning town Once again it seems like from just a little bit of pressure he decided to change his reads, which just seems inconsistent to me. At the end of your filter you alluded something about a hidden agenda to Xfftc's posts. I am interested in this because he is definitely a null read for me at the moment, and I'm curious if you're still suspicious of him after the changes in the the thread. I wouldn't blame you if you think there is better lynches right now because a lot has changed. As of right now I would be satisfied with a Tunkeg or a Hassybaby lynch. if somebody still wants to push a strong case for an Adam/EB lynch I would still be open to that. I Definitely want to hear some of your opinions Tunkeg. | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:31 Velinath wrote: Alright, that's fair Grack - but let's look at BByte. He posts once a few times 17 hours ago, comes back 8 hours ago to post one thing. He states in the thread that he'd post thoughts if needed, but he hasn't done that - a couple sentences here or there. I missed one of BByte's posts, but it didn't say a whole lot anyway. A wishy-washy "well, the cases look good, but that might change when they post" isn't really content. I'd posit that when accusing someone of not having content in your posts, you should probably have some yourself. I'll stay on his case until he defends himself from my vote. I would support a Hassybaby lynch as well, considering what multiple people have said about him. His vote reasoning is beyond weak. Tunkeg, I'm not so sure about. His early posts were decent and he did apply some effective pressure, but I agree that changing his reads twice in such a short frame of time is suspicious. I agree with you that BByte clearly has not been doing a good job playing so far from a scum/town perspective. He still hasn't contributed to the game and his case on you looks weak. tbh it almost looks like an OMGUS response to the fact that you voted for him before. @BByte : It is pretty clear right now that Velinath is not going to be somebody discussed in the day1 lynch. I suggest you either find a much better case on Velinath; or choose a candidate that is more likely to be scum. As of right now you are wasting your vote. | ||
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@He voted for xsksc earlier on the basis that he was not doing much scumhunting, your case is now fairly outdated and xsksc has been participating a lot in the thread. I'm curious if his recent posts have made you stick to your original feeling or changed your mind. I'm sorry that I probably wont be back on for 4 hours. The tunneling between you guys is good and helps to develop reads, For people watching though try to remember that there is still a chance that this is a townie vs townie argument, and that the scum might be smiling right now without having to act. My read still makes me think that Tunkeg/Hassybaby are the best votes today I would reccomend wasted votes that arent going to lead to a lynch please take a stance on a more likely candidate. the votes on Veli/Jay are wasted votes, they are not going to be lynched today. If nobody wants to put votes on BByte or BroodKingEXE i would suggest you change yours as well. | ||
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