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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
Pressure is stupid. Either you're killing people or not. There should never exist no such thing as a pressure vote. But clearly we don't agree on that. I need to re-think my stance on you. I am not willing to commit to a lynch candidate at this moment, I will however within a few hours explain and elaborate on my statement about hassybaby. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:59 xsksc wrote: Please read through past mafia games or read a guide or something... I don't know what to say lol. Pressuring someone is one of the best ways to hunt scum with. While I don't think arguing methodology is productive. I would like you to direct me to an example of a great town-sided player on this site applying a "pressurevote". Maybe I can then read up on the game in question and understand why you favor this tactic. Also, if you could point me in the direction of a guide that explains the benefits of pressuring with votes backed by flimsy reasoning, I'd be thankful. However, I agree with Adam, we're not getting anywhere with this, I will respond to any questions you have, but I need to re-read our interactions and your general gameplay with a cooler head to decide if I think you're scum. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
He did step in to try and stop us at each other's throats, which directly opposes mafia agenda, which is to make the thread as much of a mess as possible. He could easily have feigned afk or something. His initial posts didn't give me much of a scum vibe from them. His reaction to the pressure seems genuine and the list of reads he posted is for the most part pretty good, he not only gives us his reads, but also explains the thought process behind each read which I find to be very helpful in determining his alignment. I would like for him not to die today. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 00:26 Hassybaby wrote: Later on, I'm all for it. But not Day 1 imo, and especially not less than 24 hours since the start of the game. The whole idea behind lynching lurkers is to use the day 1 lynch to get rid of one, this is simply because it's inevitable that town has worse reads on day 1 than any other day, so what you're sacrificing is a chance of catching scum, and the reward is better chance to hit scum in the later days. Statistically, the day 1 lynch is the least valuable one for town, because it has the least chance of hitting scum, so I think the idea of saving lurkers until later in the game is very bad. If we're going to use a lynch to teach lurkers a lesson, it'll be the day 1 lynch. I don't think we actually have a lurker in the game, so the discussion is irrelevant, but at the time HassyBaby was pushing an idea I can in no way see as town favored. Moving on.... On December 05 2011 01:49 Hassybaby wrote: Firstly, I'm honoured that you think I'm a veteran, but you're totally wrong. I'm not a veteran in any way shape or form. This is my second game, and my first game was XLVII, and we all know how that went  Why do you want people to think you're new and bad? What is the reasoning behind that? Isn't the optimal way to play as town to come across as good as possible, because that makes people more likely to listen to you and be convinced by you instead of not listening to you. Not only that, but you're also shredding responsibility. If you're new surely you can't be held accountable for using bad logic, having bad reads and not playing optimally. If someone said I was a "veteran", I'd run with it, because that helps me get my points across, and it forces me to play very well. There are two factions in mafia, only one of them likes being ignored and perceived useless. And that faction is not town. On December 05 2011 01:49 Hassybaby wrote: This goes especially to you Tunkeg, because right now it feels like you're playing the Serejai role from XLVII. Accusing everyone isn't going to help. In fact, it can easily get you ignored in the thread. Accusing people is fine, but do it within reason considering situations in the game. Tunkeg is applying pressure by asking questions and analysing how people respond, Serejai just painted names red and gave no particular reason for it. Also, you seem to be assuming Tunkeg must be town? Interesting. Next post that caught my interest: On December 05 2011 09:24 Hassybaby wrote: And people have posted since I last saw.... Veli, yeah I think I went over-defensive there. I misinterpreted Tunkeg's posts, and that's my bad. The post about BKEXE is a good catch. I'd again like to see what he says about that. Meanwhile, for lack of a better vote right now, I'll be voting on BK. That is totally based on Veli's point, as I don't see strong cases against tohers right now. So odds are I'll change the vote tomorrow, especially if BK makes a good point. ##BroodKingEXE And finally, even after all this time Hassybaby doesn't have as much to go on. He puts down a vote based on the reasonings of others, which obviously frees him of all responsibility for the lynch if it's wrong. And despite already having piggybacked onto someone else's reasoning instead of explaining his own thought process, Hassybaby decides to specifically state that the vote might be changed. There is no reason to do that, if he has a better scumread than BK at some point he can just explain that and change. Once again I feel like Hassybaby is attempting his best to not be responsible for his actions. If Hassybaby is town, he is doing his best to make sure no one listens to him, essentially making him useless. But the reasonable explanation is that he is scum. ##Vote Hassybaby | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 23:44 xsksc wrote: Hmm, it's like 4pm EU time, where are all the europeans?:\ It's so snowy here I'm just gonna stay inside and f5 the thread, need more people posting! How do you feel about my case against Hassybaby. If you were to suggest that I revisit someone's posting history in order to determine his alignment, whom would you suggest? | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 06 2011 00:45 xsksc wrote: I'll consider the case on hassybaby, gonna filter him. There are several people I'd like to lynch for being retarded but that's probably not the best idea :/ List them, and explain what they've done to earn your stamp of being retarded. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 06 2011 01:03 xsksc wrote: ebwop adam lynch would not be a good idea* don't ignore me please. You mentioned wanting to lynch people for being retarded. I want to know who these people are and why you think they're being retarded. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 06 2011 01:28 xsksc wrote: Sorry EB, didn't mean to ignore you I was just responding to Tunkeg. Retarded was a harsh choice of words, I apologise, I'm just really frustrated from being forced to repeat myself so many times today. I wish people would actually read what I say so I wouldn't have to. I'm not interested in your choice of words. You could've said "silly" or "dumb" or "ill-thought out" or whatever, I don't care how you word it. What I am interested in, is what people have done things that you consider dumb/bad/retarded enough for you to want to policy lynch them. List the people, and list the things they've done. I think you're bullshitting with your statement, I think you can't actually back what you said up, you just threw it out there. Prove me wrong. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 06 2011 04:26 xtfftc wrote: Okay, I'll get some dinner and then update my views on xsk and Adam before going to bed. I think you're scum too. What do you think about that? | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
xsksc I'm on the fence about, and I haven't read bbyte well enough through to make the call. Why are you ignoring my case against Hassybaby? | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 06 2011 07:11 jaybrundage wrote: ey are you planning on voting for hassybaby. So far bbyte is gonna get lynched regardless unless we have a change.I would still like to see his defense. But so far it doesnt look good. But honestly last minute switches always put me at unease. I still plan to stick to adam i would like to see what he has to say about whats going on so far. And EB if you think adam is not a good candidate plz state why this post. Isn't going to change anything. Put in some content i would like to see more of your thoughts. But besides Hassybaby's case which was actually pretty good. And you arguing with xsksc which granted showed that you can post very well when you want too. Why give me this one liner it's not gonna change anything Read the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12601877 And my case against Hassybaby http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12602036 | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
Can we please switch to Hassybaby, which is much more likely to be a good lynch. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 06 2011 10:01 jaybrundage wrote: Atm i wouldnt vote hassybaby for the same reason i didn't vote Bbyte. Hassybaby has not been able to defend himself. And now that Bbyte is hear hes came to late to defend himself. I hope hes mafia but i dont have a good feeling about this. And I think you're the last scum That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy. Game solved. Next one? | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
This is to be expected, It is very easy for mafia to deflect the day 1 lynch onto an inactive/scummy townie. I hope tomorrow we can resume playing on a more analytical basis. There was no reason to kill this guy over for example Hassybaby. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
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