Steamship Liquidia (TL Mafia 46)

On November 16 2011 21:29 Palmar wrote:
hey guys, I'm in a good mood today, so here's a great offer to you:

I will write an alignment analysis on the first three players people ask me to do. Each player can only select one person for me to analyse, and I will provide a post for each subject on what I currently think of their alignment.

Go!

On November 17 2011 00:30 Palmar wrote:


prplhz told me Drazerk is scum

Coag because he's always scum and he always lurks.

And yeah, that's actually the case, generally it doesn't matter whose posts you read. I am pretty sure no one in this game has gone through everyone's filters and formed an opinion. Most people are likely focusing on somewhere between 2-5 people and mostly ignoring the rest of the game. So as an experiment I allowed random townies to pick which people I should focus on, because that gives the additional benefit of me not entering the analysis biased.

I think it's working out well, again I am going to re-iterate:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12303438

chaoser is scum

You all should be voting for him.

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On November 17 2011 06:01 Zephirdd wrote:
Huh, I just found this on our beautiful bot-induced vote system.


Now, looking through his filters, Lanaia has not made an statement on voting Kenpachi, except that he prefers to vote on sinani over him.

Which means that, either the system is bugged(unlikely), or Lanaia has the ability to anti-vote someone through PM. Looking through the roles, the closest I've found is "Double Voter", but I assume anti-voting is a variation of that.

Which means Lanaia is not green(assuming green = vanilla town)

So either Lanaia is scum or Lanaia is a blue to be killed. The question is: which one? And if he doesn't die next day, can we confirm he is scum or maybe the Mafia just want us to believe that? And why would he want Kenpachi to not die(anti-voting him)?

I'd like to have these questions clarified or at least discussed, I got really confused right now.

On November 16 2011 21:37 Palmar wrote:
okay, prplhz, tyrran and chaoser I'll do.

On November 17 2011 07:21 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I'm going to hold off voting on Lanaia for now. While double voting or anti-voting is certainly powerful for both scum and for town, it is a lot less useful for scum if it is prominently announced for all to see on the vote list. If Lanaia is town, presumably scum will eventually settle the issue. If Lanaia is scum, it will be hard for her to use her ability without blatantly giving things away later on. Also, unless she thought her anti-vote would be hidden, I find it hard to believe scum would be so brash on day 1.

That being said, I am going to vote for Drazerk. I said if he didn't give a good reason for his vote I'd be voting for him, and I intend to follow through on that. He seems to like trumpeting the fact that he has generally sucked as town, and overall I think his contributions have not exactly been helping to create a good town atmosphere. His repeated mentions of how much he has screwed up as town in the past combined with his plethora of 1 liners and votes with little reason behind them makes it seem like he is trying to play anti-town and get away with it because it's just his meta.
Vote: Drazerk

Now I'm going to reread the thread some and see if there is someone else I'd like to place a vote on as well.

Kenpachi (12): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Lanaia (Anti-Vote), Palmar, GreYMisT, risk.nuke, Tyrran, Lemonwalrus, -Lanaia (Anti-Vote), Hiroruby, sinani206

On November 17 2011 09:09 chaoser wrote:


He's dead already so why would he lie...

On November 17 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:
I forgot again about that alignment analysis on Tyrren, I'll do it tomorrow, sorry.

On November 16 2011 07:19 Coagulation wrote:
You guys still have yet to figure out that anything kenpachi says should be ignored.

If in doubt vote for Kenpachi

But dont run the town directive into the ground trying to figure out why he does what he does.
Just kill him If we have nothing solid to go on.

On November 17 2011 10:23 Coagulation wrote:
#vote Coagulation

placeholder vote while I read over thread

On November 17 2011 10:35 Coagulation wrote:
##Vote Kenpachi
LAL + hes pretty much distracting town completely.
He needs to die for town to progress

Im not sure about chaoser yet but im gonna keep reading up on him and his accusers.

Also Im starting to see why everyone hates you wherebugsgo.

On November 18 2011 01:28 Forumite wrote:

Yeah, I don´t think you are scum, I still want you active in the game. The original case was a gamble, scum have been caught by things like that. It didn´t work now, but I also have your word that you are going to contribute despite being a new player, so it´s still a win!

I´m agreeing with Palmar, we need another lynch, ONE by the way, not 5. I don´t want Chaoser or Lalala lynched.

I have to run now, but will be back several hours before the lynch.

On November 17 2011 19:53 Tyrran wrote:
* Hyshes :



With this in mind, the fact that he jumped extremely quickly on the Lanaia bandwagon with the only excuse "only scum would defend a lurker" is extremelly scummy. Not only that, but while this statement suggest that Kenpachi is also scum, he did not vote for him, focusing only on Lanaia. This is very suspect.

Note that he later 'said' that it would be weird if Lanaia did this as scum, but did not remove his vote!

You make a good point about lanaia. If she knew it would be public, it would be very weird that she did it as scum.

On November 18 2011 01:48 Sabin010 wrote:

im a native speaker and still havent figured that one out bro.

On November 18 2011 07:27 Tyrran wrote:



Great defense.

I will remind you that I voted kenpachi only becaused i agreed with risk.nuke that this was the rigth way to proceed. And i will redirect you to This post where i explain why mafia would press charges on Lanaia, and thus why those who blindly voted for her are suspects.

On November 17 2011 09:11 Drazerk wrote:


Unlike you I will never be lynched though

On November 18 2011 08:27 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&currentpage=45#899

That one as well.

On November 18 2011 10:47 wherebugsgo wrote:


Let me be more clear for you.

You're saying sinani is not reading the thread, therefore he is scum.

Why is it that you are selectively using this logic, and not applying it to nisani?

Oh, right, cause you have an agenda.

Sinani is playing like he plays as town. You probably weren't paying attention in PYP, but when he's scum he's a grade of useless even below his current level of useless. If he flips scum I will be shocked.

On November 18 2011 11:15 Nisani201 wrote:
DCLXVI
Drazerk
Zephirdd
GreYMisT
risk.nuke
Tyrran
Lemonwalrus
Cyber_Cheese

These people voted for both Kenpachi and sinani206.

There is 1-2 scum on this list. Drazerk is one of them

On November 19 2011 00:33 xsksc wrote:



The reason HoD is on my town list is because he voted drazerk before most people. I'm reasonably confident that drazerk is scum, which would make HoD almost confirmed townie to me. And yeah the prphlz thing is really just a feeling at the moment, I don't have anything solid on him.

On November 20 2011 02:57 prplhz wrote:
@hyshes

So you are mason and you chose to mason Drazerk or what?

On November 20 2011 03:01 Forumite wrote:

We know how they work, but we don´t know how they works in this game.

Did you both start with PM-rights to eachother from the beginning of the game, or did either of you need to choose the other to join the mason circle? Did your role-PM state that your mason-buddy is a confirmed Town player, or can one of you be scum?

On November 20 2011 03:05 Forumite wrote:
Hyshes, did your PM say that your mason-buddy is a confirmed Townie too?

On November 20 2011 02:31 prplhz wrote:
So ... I wasn't around and when I was around I had to go through 20 pages of chaoser and Palmar and wherebugsgo going at it and then finally when I reached the end of that shitstorm, I arrive at people wanting to lynch another known lurker. I didn't have a decidedly town read on him but I didn't think he was scummy enough at all. Look at his posts, all one liners. I just think they looked like he actually tried to contribute with his single lines compared to other games so I wrote in caps lock DO NOT LYNCH. Why the hell aren't you focusing on the moron who actually went ahead and lynched him instead, I believe it was hyshes but don't hold me up on that.

Now I am defending people in the interest of getting them lynched? Well that's up hill now wouldn't you say so. I said what I meant, the guy shouldn't get lynched. Blaming me for getting him lynched is stupid when all I ever said was that he was a moron but that he was probably town and people shouldn't vote him.

@hyshes

Why the hell did you vote sinani206 after I had written IN CAPS LOCK that you shouldn't vote him? Why did you think it was a good idea? What kind of information did you hope to gain from it? What information did you actually end up gaining? You didn't comment on his lynch at all since it happened so it doesn't seem like you got any information from it. Also your filter is very underwhelming at first sight, didn't have time to read it through 'cause I kinda have to go cook some food right now.

On November 20 2011 04:23 prplhz wrote:
This is insanity, I wrote before he was hammered that I wanted less people to vote for him. How is this subtly wanting him dead? I never called for a lynch on sinani206 at all, a lot of people voted him for shitty reasons and you should look at them instead. Look at people who voted him even though they know his meta. Look at hyshes who just ignored everything and played the newbie card voting for a guy in spite of all warnings.

I'm gonna read your god damn filter later, I had to go cook food 'cause my sister was bitching at me, does that make me scum? Jesus christ.

I never said that caps lock equals convincing statement, but does it equal unconvincing statement? I posted my opinion very clearly. Unfortunately I was too late and hyshes didn't give a shit anyway (who the hell doesn't take a post seriously just because it's in caps, jesus christ. If you had any doubts, why didn't you ask before you hammered?) so sinani206 ended up lynched. Not a big deal anyway, it's not like he would have scum hunted ever and his role required a lot of skill to use. Would have been useful at a mylo though.

##Unvote Drazerk

For now.

On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote:
guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why...

• bumarlarge: Voted for me yesterday with a half-arsed case. Today he's just voting me.
  
• risk.nuke: Saying he went over my filter and now he's just voting me.
  
• Kibibit: Just voting me from his phone.
  
• hyshes: His reason to vote for me was that he plainly states that he thought I was talking shit when I wrote something in caps. It's my fault he lynched sinani206 because he thought I was talking shit! Also, apparently scum don't have time to read his filter but townies do. This logic doesn't hold.
  
• Drazerk: He is voting for me because I remind him of himself. What the fuck is this?
  
• Nisani201: Parroting Forumite.
  

On November 23 2011 01:36 Tyrran wrote:


My guts keep telling me you are scum, my brain keeps telling me you are town. I wish i knew why.

On November 24 2011 01:22 hyshes wrote:
@wbg:
explain this.
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Whitin 1 post you change your thought on forumite? Without a post inbetween from forumite? Or any post concerning the matter? Everybody knows you don't post without reading the thread, so this makes no sence.

On November 23 2011 19:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
I didn't read his last vote post.

I'm unsure on Forumite, but he's pushing scum agenda. He needs to be set straight.

I'm acting on logic, my instinct tells me he's the most retarded townie in existence. I can't make an exception for anyone.

On November 24 2011 01:46 Forumite wrote:

He posted his thread before reading my post where I voted 3 of the lurkers who voted prplhz yesterday. It´s allready been answered earlier, you probably missed the post.

On November 24 2011 22:20 Palmar wrote:


That logic doesn't hold up.

Shape up, you're in the prestigious position of being confirmed town, don't squander the opportunity through idiocy.

On November 25 2011 02:58 Forumite wrote:

Which part of it?

@Tyrran
The point of listing only confirmed Town is because it hasn´t got to do with Scum voting Nisani, it has to do with Scum leaving alive those Townies who want to vote Nisani. I don´t throw suspicion on the players voting Nisani, but I think they survived the night because Scum would rather kill people like risk and Harbringer who couldn´t care either way about Nisani. It´s like the opposite of when Scum kill those suspecting them, now they killed those not caring about Nisani, thereby making it more likely that Nisani was lynched.

I agree with those saying that we should lynch another player. My suggestion would be Zephirdd.

On November 25 2011 05:14 MrZentor wrote:


I think we need to kill a mafia badly and I am mostly if not entirely partially vanilla town.

On November 25 2011 08:42 Forumite wrote:

From Towns perspective, neither was confirmed, but once drazerk died hyshes was confirmed. risk was generally considered Town, but that doesn´t make him confirmed. The thing that is odd is why scum didn´t shoot both masons if they were going for one, killing one mason confirms the other, but killing both makes sure there are no confirmed Townies. Scum hate confirmed Townies.

On November 26 2011 00:41 Forumite wrote:

Confirmed Townie or not, I´d still appreciate if you provide your reasoning.

On November 26 2011 03:39 Zephirdd wrote:


LSB, HarbingerOfDoom, risk.nuke, GreYMisT, Forumite, Tyrran, wherebugsgo

These all claimed/confirmed green.

Just because you asked <3

On November 26 2011 06:12 Coagulation wrote:



Are you kidding?
I posted every 24 hour cycle

On November 20 2011 04:33 Coagulation wrote:
and if drazek is gonna run around going "im confirmed town now anyone that doesn't believe me is scum" than hes an idiot.

On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote:
##vote: prplhz

I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI"
a real credit to town.

On November 26 2011 06:19 Coagulation wrote:
ok you got me I was busy on turkey day.
Fuck my life.

On November 26 2011 07:43 xsksc wrote:
Hmm, I re-read and it says I can choose X targets to protect where X is the number of targets we lynched. If only one of the players out of those I targeted was hit during the night, and was only hit once, I will successfully protect that player. Otherwise, the protection fails.

Does this mean my protection on all my targets fails if multiple protected targets are hit?
Not entirely sure how this works actually, am I allowed to PM Zona for clarification?

On November 26 2011 09:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
We need more lynches.

On November 27 2011 04:16 DCLXVI wrote:
Why must you assume that every role works the same in this game as it does in others. I know I am a miller because that is part of my role. I would not claim miller if I was scum because of this response, I felt it was necessary to make the best out of our dts since their time is short.