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On November 11 2011 08:23 Lemonwalrus wrote: Oh, my apologies, as soon as I wrote your name I started to think I had the wrong guy. I think you are all jealous. | ||
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I'm mostly interested in the multi-lynch. It's possible to blanket votes over multiple scummy players, so if instead of busting LSBs balls on posting piles of garbage, I'll echo the analysis statement. There is no wrong way to do it, just post who and why. And going out of your way to point out someone is acting townie does not help any discussion. I'll vote anyone who has a good argument against them. And since I only know a quarter of the player-base, I'll forgive Hiroruby for his fairly obvious insights, because it's effort and if he can forge that into scumhunting, it makes the town that much stronger. And also I see no reason not to do this. ##Vote Kenpachi And I will most likely not be taking it off until I see something that benefits town come out of his mouth. I don't really care about spam, I'll read all of it anyway so I won't discourage it. It will just help my reads so thats all I'm concerned about. | ||
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On November 15 2011 15:12 DCLXVI wrote: Is it worth speculating what dangers there are in roleclaiming/lynching multiple people in a day? Both are warned against in the OP, but at some point (not now) I can see either becoming a legitimate strategy. Unless we set a low bar for lurkers, I think that many players will qualify as lurkers and so far the general consensus is to lynch them all. I don't think we want to run the risk of "hazards in store for the town that lynches too many players in a particular day" while we don't need to. Instead of setting a certain number of posts/quality to pass/fail, we can determine the 1-2 least helpful/scummiest players and agree to vote them. I don't see any merit in roleclaiming now, or even townie-claiming. If kenpachi and hiroruby would explain why they did so I would be ever so grateful. Personally I will not claim for now, but that is open to change. Both the warning in the OP and the lack of activity so far makes me hesitant to do so. I don't see what there is to discuss with roleclaiming, we have no information on the numbers of blues we have, so fakeclaims are strong, and we can't bank on them one way or another. They can claim when it matters, none of them can break the system claiming now. Lynching multiple people in a day is extremely strong, and the fact that one person can vote as many people as they want makes it more town favorably then double lynch. Mafia can't sheath their vote into a person and expect not to be bugged for voting their scummy partner. Technically, we could all vote every other person and force a draw at any point in the game, because Even when the threshold is reached, people can still be voted, and as long as town has a majority, we can never lose during the day if all hope is lost. That's why I think Zona mentioned the warnings on it, probably because there is some prevention to degenerate voting plans. Rather then make plans around the system, let the system accommodate us. We will lynch as many people as there are scummy individuals, and setting restrictions to that is anti-town. Why should we play around something we know nothing about if it impedes our progress? | ||
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We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are. Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit. Oh, hi kibbibit  ##Vote Nisani201 | ||
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##Vote: Kenpachi ##Vote: Nisani201 And this On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: Sabin010 Bad vibes also this - Is why LAL is bad. What possible reason would cause mafia to post this instead of town. By all means keep up the detective work and checking out all the inconsistencies, but use a little sense. This definetely contradicts itself, and it could very well be an intentional lie, but even that doesn't make him scum. The bad strategy reason tht DCL brought up is actually something to go on. You are pushing your luck by trying to find lies a day into the game. Use that energy to filter a suspicious person instead and get a general vibe, and see if their future posts push you one way or the other. If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day. | ||
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Kenpachi and Lanaia This is pretty incriminating for the both of them, but it's not that impactful if both of them die. Not weighing how good either of these players are, it would be better to lynch the one with the anti-vote ability, and that would be much more enlightening as to what we should do with the other. Since kenpachi's already getting lynched, I think it would would be in our best interests to keep lanaia alive. We can discuss it further after seeing him get lynched. Because of multi-lynch, there is no pressure in killing lanaia immediately. We aren't going to reduce mafia's KP on the first day, so please take your votes off lanaia at the moment. Even if kenpachi flips town, there is still a likelihood of lanaia being scum. Lanaia, from what memory serves me, is an "innoncence" reliant player. Properly utilized, she could easily get away with this rather then a more influential player. I honestly think she made a mistake, and I don't think she would have carelessly done that as scum. I'm going to put her as town. I feel no remorse over losing a townie-kenpachi. Sorry bro. If he's scum, fantastic, he's annoying as balls to analyze later. Saying this now, if he claims blue, he's more likely scum than actually blue. By the way, I think lanaia's ability is very anti-town this early, but very useful later when mafia can threaten to mass vote people. You should have kept that a secret. From that logic I think you are town. chaoser Maybe others see it, but I don't see a reason to be killing chaoser right now. He's a strong player, and there is too little to go on this early in making a decisive lynch on him. Again, multi-lynch is much more lenient for us in being able to easily lynch people later. Let him potentially bloom into a strong scumhunter, or if he stays on this path, we'll lynch him. prplhz Very strong scum read on this dude. Multiple people have been calling him scummy, but for some reason he's not gathering votes, whats up with that town. On November 16 2011 22:07 prplhz wrote: You all realize that Palmar is just manipulating you, right? This is a ridiculous thing to say with nothin to back it up. Manipulation is not something a townie does, he leads strong arguments that convince others of what he sees. He has no reason to manipulate. It would be completely different if you had reasons to believe he was doing this as scum, but I see no mention of anything palmar is doing there on out, until he himself asks you what you are trying to prove, which you very handily respond with, "Nothing." Maybe not exactly like that, but this is a pretty damn close. On November 16 2011 22:30 prplhz wrote: Yes, no one will pay attention to your analysis because of my one-line, muahahaha! Or maybe all the new people in this game will read twice before they trust you unconditionally. You always set yourself up as townie prophet, coming down from the mountain to converse with the plebs for exactly 3 posts before you retire up there again to meditate and achieve endless insight in the game. A lot of people may fall for this, I'm just saying that if you're new maybe you should read twice before listening to Palmar. Also, I'm not getting lynched day1, wtfux??? Absurd thing to say when there is no section where you reference the content. Please get lynched. ##Vote: prplhz I don't have enough time to finish this, but hopefully I'll be able to go through more players as I go. I'm very satisfied with the players here, keep posting like this And for those that are questioning my alignment because I'm not posting alot, would I lurk? Ever? Nah, I'm just a busy man. I'll still maintain a prescence. | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:37 Lemonwalrus wrote: I wanted to hear why chaoser was voting bum because I too had suspicions about bum, and wanted to see if his were the same as mine. I posted with a reference to my reasoning which had been discussed openly on the preceding pages. Honestly I can't point to a specific post of bum to give you my reasoning because he hasn't been making them. That in itself is my reason for voting him when you take the fact that he usually is so outspoken into account. At least now he will have to respond if more people start voting him and we can get some sort of information out of him. What the hell are you trying to say? This has no direction what-so-ever. Please be clear about your accusations and think them through. You don't catch scum by this slow-rolling non-sense. | ||
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On November 17 2011 13:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Lemon can you explain why you are more concerned about bum "watching the thread go by" instead of Coag? I don't see bum doing anything weird. Coag voted for someone who was already hammered. Is that the issue? Well to be fair last I checked the thread yesterday, it was at 23 pages, now its at 42. I probably only would have mentioned that it would be better for us to keep kenpachi alive rather then lanaia as it gives us more information, and lynching the other later is no concern. Coag only posted twice, but I do recall him lurking in the beginning last time I played with him. I forget if he was a scum that game. I'd be more afraid of active scum Coag, then lurking scum coag, as vets who lurk have no presence in a game with a lot of fresh faces. I would say it would be different the other way around if this was a few months ago. | ||
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On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote: ##Vote bumatlarge oh my god you suck MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206 THANK YOU Yes, I find that on rare occasions, I do suck. Fortunately that is not right now | ||
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After kenpachi flipped town, I'm not really seeing chaoser as scum. Still sold on prphlz. There are other some individuals that I guess comes down to me to analyze. I don't think I'm doing anything saturday so if I survive I'll burn some time doing that. | ||
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After reading, I am definetly buying the WBG and Palmar side of whatever they are arguing about (sometimes I can't really tell), and chaoser looks much scummier for the distraction he is causing. I say distraction because I ultimately do not find him as scummy as other individuals such as drazerk, who is fitting the envelope fairly well, and prplhz, who I'm still getting red from. Other individuals who strike me are kibbibit, lemonwalrus and DCL. I will be focusing on them tomorrow. If I'm dead, one of them for sure is scum. Also, I started the kenpachi vote, twas no wagon. If I was present, I would have tried to switch it to lanaia, because that gives much better information when we need to lynch one of the two. It's inconsequential now, unless lanaia is all of a sudden a really clever scum player. Sinani was not a good lynch, and his death did little other then start some other randoms on little scuhunting adventures based on voting patterns day 1. Best of luck to those endeavors. Filtering LSBs posts, his palmar analysis is probably the strongest against palmar, and even there we can see alot of flaws that I feel palmar rebuked well. But certain points are viable. The "no true scotsman" does apply to palmar more then others, but from what I can remember, it delves into the pride of a player. If every player posted without some self-conciousness, you could make the arguement, but proving things wrong and then doing them yourselves is not a scumtell, it's a lapse of humility and aim of the game. Pride makes you point things out just for the sake of doing it. What you pointed out as palmar being hypocritical, I see as an insignificant hole that a good player falls in. The fact that this was a bulk or your arguement made me dismiss it more. The forced analysis is applicable though, and LSB's analysis on palmar does not feel forced, where as just about everything on chaoser's does. Meta is too fickle. A towny will intentionally try to get out of a mold if people peg him too much on it. It may be disruptive to the goal of the game, but I think its a process we use to become well-rounded in mafia discussion. Palmar is more likely mafia then LSB, but chaoser is more likely mafia than palmar. That being said, I really have no confidence in what chaoser will flip. I may be convinced tomorrow, but I I would only lynch chaoser at this point just for the sake of seeing what color his blood is. I'd advise the Chaoser/WBG/Palmar arena to take a hiatus and discuss what we can do with the others. | ||
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##Vote: prphlz ##Vote: Drazerk Why is drazerk voting lanaia. This is past the point of bad reasoning, I can't see him doing this as town. | ||
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On November 19 2011 12:09 chaoser wrote: Bum, you really think Palmar's "I think chaoser is 90% scum but I don't want him shot, I want him checked" makes sense? Not taking into account godfather or even a framer if I was mafia would be silly. If he really thought I was mafia and knew he was going to push for my lynch today like he said he would, why would he ask for someone to check me? That's a wasted check since he'd hope that I'd be lynched today by him. I don't mind a double Palmar Chaoser lynch. Here, I'll start. I think he's mafia. I know I'm town. I don't mind a 1 for 1 trade here. Let's go! ##vote: Chaoser ##vote: Palmar (yes I know my vote on myself doesn't count, it's symbolic) oh, and also ##vote: Drazerk You would rather be shot? I feel like palmar is respecting you as a good player asking not to get shot. If a DT came out and said he got a town check on you. I don't see why he would say that as mafia. Percentages and blue instruction are generally uselessly fluffy, but it gets a point across. If that's your biggest scumtell for palmar, that sorry to break it to you, he aint scum. Lynching both you and palmar at this point is stupid. There is no reason to do that, swallow your pride, and find the 4 other scum. No one needs you to martyr yourself here. I'll be around tomorrow giving my verdicts on some dudes. | ||
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On November 19 2011 12:16 bumatlarge wrote: You would rather be shot? I feel like palmar is respecting you as a good player asking not to get shot. If a DT came out and said he got a town check on you, that would be massive, and worth a DT claim in my eyes (if I were to disregard fakeclaims). I don't see why he would say that as mafia. Percentages and blue instruction are generally uselessly fluffy, but it gets a point across. If that's your biggest scumtell for palmar, that sorry to break it to you, he aint scum. Lynching both you and palmar at this point is stupid. There is no reason to do that, swallow your pride, and find the 4 other scum. No one needs you to martyr yourself here. I'll be around tomorrow giving my verdicts on some dudes. EBWOP | ||
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I'll wait for tomorrow so we can hear any other claims. As of right now, mafia hitting both palmar and LSB seems extraordinarily fruity. | ||
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I've been keeping my eye on your posts ever since you voted me, and it would make sense if you were scum. You are incredibly wishy-washy, yet you focus only on topics that have already been discussed. Yet you do have a firm opinion on certain things like the Kenpachi/Lanaia thing, after kenpachi had garnered some weight, I thought your reasoning was very good. Yet you show a complete lack of commitment in every area where town could swing one way or the other. On November 17 2011 07:22 Lemonwalrus wrote: I've got a town read on you that I can't quite explain and am holding on to hope that you will stop being butt-hurt and start being useful in the near future, or that all of your play so far has been part of some grand plan that will help town in some way, so I'll hold my vote off of you for now. At least this way when you do get yourself lynched (which you seem to be doing quite efficiently) and flip green I'll be able to congratulate myself or something. I find this quite baffling that this should provoke you in the direction to defend chaoser and attack palmar, but you take a stand on this matter later, so it isn't wishy-washy if you form an opinion on it later. On November 17 2011 09:54 Lemonwalrus wrote: ##Unvote: Lanaia She made a mistake, but I don't think it was a scum mistake. And besides, I'd like to see Kenpachi's flip before we decide what to do with her. ##Vote: Palmar He has been pushing a moronic case against chaoser since the beginning and most of you are eating it up. When the Lanaia/kenpachi thing came up, he threw his vote their way haphazardly, my guess because they are both town (although I still have some hope that KP was scum) and he just wants to make more town lynches day 1. All the while he has been pushing this chaoser lynch as a sure thing. If we lynch chaoser and he flips green or blue, I want palmar dead the next day for sure. He wants chaoser dead because as he said himself chaoser is a good player for town. He has built a case against him on LAL so he can hide behind policy when he is proven wrong about chaoser when chaoser flips. ##Vote: bumatlarge Be the batman that this steamship deserves. Here was the break from your wishy-washiness. Seeing you take your vote off lanaia, put your vote on palmar, and then vote me, made me think you actually have some backbone. FoS is retarded this game, just vote people you FoS instead. On November 20 2011 04:32 Lemonwalrus wrote: Why don't you spell it out for us? In other news: Someone asked me and a bunch of others about prplhz, I've been slowly finding him more and more scummy as the game has progressed. Almost all of my early scum reads are either dead townies or more or less confirmed townies in my eyes though, so I guess take that for what it is worth. Right now I see him as probably one of the best lynch targets. I could also see decent cases for nisani and for bum, although I would not be comfortable lynching bum right now. I am inclined to believe it, and am not trying to heap suspicions on either of them, but just want to know if I'm looking at it correctly: the hyshes-Drazerk mason claim MUST be one of the following: 1. They are both town and telling the truth. 2. They are both scum and this is the riskiest thing ever. If those two options are the only ones, I believe them for obvious reasons. I'm not saying I suspect him now, but I am now going over chaoser's posts from the beginning of the game. I feel that I sheeped to him on day 1 because I had strong town feelings about him, but now with new information that has come to light I feel that may have been a mistake. It's certain paragraphs like the prplhz one that makes me cringe. I don't see you do it that often, but whenever you get on to another topic, you kinda slouch your way into it, and things like that set off warning bells for me. "Seeing decent cases" is inconsequential here. It's either there is a case or there isn't. I've decided LW isn't scum, but if palmar is town and chaoser is scum, he'll be there first person I come back to. ##Vote: prplhz I think I typo'd in my first post. Honestly, I wouldn't mind drazerk flipping, because I have no read on hyshes one way or another. I'm not going to give them the credit of being that clever as scum, but if my scum-buddy was going down in flames and was feeling especially clever that day, I could see the mason claim. But hyshes, a more unnotcable poster who no one has voted (I think) doing it? I don't see it. ##Unvote: Drazerk Back to le drawing board. | ||
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