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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 17 2011 21:36 GMT
#941
I would gladly make a Node graph, but no image allowed . How much time do we have left befdore the end of the day ? ( i'm really bad with the time zone stuff )
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 17 2011 21:37 GMT
#942
the day ends at 11:00 KST, so i believe about 5:30.

Back to writing my paper...
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
November 17 2011 21:39 GMT
#943
TL is in KST.. its now 06:37
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
November 17 2011 21:39 GMT
#944
make that 06:39
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
November 17 2011 21:39 GMT
#945
On November 18 2011 06:36 Tyrran wrote:
I would gladly make a Node graph, but no image allowed . How much time do we have left befdore the end of the day ? ( i'm really bad with the time zone stuff )


I was joking 201 used to make node graphs, brag about making them and then never show them town.
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
November 17 2011 21:40 GMT
#946
so we have 4h20m left
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 17 2011 21:55 GMT
#947
On November 17 2011 23:19 Zephirdd wrote:
Not that much related, it's just that Kenpachi defended chaoser and chaoser defended Kenpachi to death; Kenpachi's flip has more to do with Lanaia tbh. Again, I'll back off for now; given enough votes and arguments, however, I'm willing to lynch someone else IF I consider it to be the right choice(aka. people convince me).

when?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 17 2011 21:55 GMT
#948
what my flip does: It softconfirms Lanaia. that is all
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
November 17 2011 22:03 GMT
#949
On November 18 2011 06:55 Kenpachi wrote:
what my flip does: It softconfirms Lanaia. that is all

well I think that I will know a lot about chaoser when you flip
I can already see the ending
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:07 GMT
#950
On November 17 2011 10:20 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 10:14 chaoser wrote:
On November 17 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
I'm gonna sleep.

Chaoser: why did you throw those votes around so liberally early on? Please explain your thought process and what you wanted to achieve. If I believe your answer I'll consider laying off you.


I already did? Go read my exchange with WBG. Pressure on you from people and all of a sudden you're willing to back off when before you were deadset on it?


I'm rolefishing you.

Thing is, I think you happen to have one of those roles mentioned by Zona that are somehow connected with how votes are casted, I think that would actually explain your liberal voting early on. This is the reason I believe you're lying about being vanilla townie, but since you claimed that and stand by it, it's making me believe you're scum.

Because you're not bad at mafia, you know that senseless throwing votes around is generally not a good strategy, you are probably fully aware of this. This is why I wanted so badly for you to explain your rash voting pattern this game.

Like, I'm trying in my mind to put together your play and just a random vanilla town. And I'm sorry to say I can't actually find any reasonable explanation to your early voting that stems from just you reading the thread with a townie mindset.

Alright, so I just can't wrap my head around this. Palmar thinks Chaoser is a scum power role related to voting...and then he spends most of the day with his vote on 5 different people? Palmar, I would be quite interested in hearing how your votes made sense along with your worries about Chaoser's role.


Chaoser
To whoever it was that asked what everyone's current position on the Chaoser case is...I think he looks more like a town that was trying to aggressively force reactions early than scum trying to disrupt the thread. Also, to Cyber, Palmar, and WBG, you seem to all be pushing the Chaoser lynch pretty hard and have been for awhile. Now, if you assume he is scum and that no scum will vote for him, that means the 3 of you have convinced only 2 of the remaining 18 townies. I'd suggest either trying to put together a better/more coherent argument, or allow us to look at some of the other current vote getters rather than hammering the same points that don't seem to be convincing much of anyone.

Drazerk
That being said, I'd like Drazerk to be lynched today. A quick look at his filter should make it apparent why.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=107918
His best defense seems to be that he plays anti-town whether or not he is actually scum...which I don't see how that is a defense at all. He also seems to be claiming lynch proof, and I am certainly willing to test that claim.
Unlike you I will never be lynched though
Probably because I am not scum and will never be lynched even if they try

LSB
It has been mentioned a few times, but I think LSB also deserves a closer look and some more pressure. He starts off making tons of policy related posts, especially about going after lurkers, and then has two short non-policy posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2011 12:45 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 09:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Chaoser


filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=41788&user=41788

Chaoser right now is all over the place. He is not fostering positive discussion. He just OMGUSed sinani, he is pushing three different people right now, and he is using very little reasoning for all of those votes.

Chaoser if you are town, you need to slow down and focus on one person so that your posts are more coherent and readable, or you need to provide more information about your vote targets. Right now you're being incredibly distracting, particularly as people have to keep asking you why you're voting the people you are voting. This OMGUS on sinani, for example:

You are saying that Chaoser is scum because he doesn't tunnel and doesn't play like you?
hmm...

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 09:15 chaoser wrote:
On November 16 2011 09:07 sinani206 wrote:
On November 16 2011 09:06 Drazerk wrote:
On November 16 2011 09:03 sinani206 wrote:
wtf

##Vote: chaoser


Your not going to lurk the first day, come out of no where and then vote chaoser without reason.

FoS sinani206



His posts this game are nothing like what I've seem out of him before and even if I hadn't played with him before, the posts are straight up scummy.


1) Deal with my posts being different. This use of "your posts are different" meta is so stupid I'd gladly post completely differently every single game to kill it. Can't tell if you're mafia or stupid >_>

Also while the manner in which I post is different, the reasoning behind my posts isn't, (XXXIX)

2) How are my posts "straight up scummy?"

##Vote: Sinani206

I'm so happy I get to vote multiple people


If you can't tell if he's scum or dumb, why did you vote him? It makes no sense using your very own logic. If you can't tell someone's alignment, why would you vote them?

Then, your attacks on Zephirrd are really bad too. He's a new player, and most of what he's saying makes sense. That's better than a lot of other new players. You even admit to making cases "out of nothing" as an attempt to create reactions from other players. That's not a good way to play town and you know it. You should be posting a case on someone after you have subtly pushed them for a while, instead of voting them the instant you think they've said something scummy. That's not reliable.

Wait, what's so bad about this attack http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&currentpage=18#348? Or the other attacks, I'm having difficulty following your generalizations right now

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2011 13:54 LSB wrote:
Sorry guys I'm sick and sleep deprived and I have so much to do.

But a quick glance through. Before we lynch Lanaia, we should at least see how Kenpachi fllps. A lot of analysis has been "Kenpachi is scum so Lanaia is scum", yet we don't know 100% if Kenpachi is scum

##Vote: sinani206
Since in reality he hasn't said anything besides "xxx is obvscum"

The first one he soft defends chaoser and attacks WBG's reasoning, and the second he pops in, votes for somebody being a useless lurker, and leaves again. He has yet to post since then. So, unless he starts actually doing some scum hunting, I see no reason to believe he isn't scum.

##Vote: LSB

I am also fine with sinani206 getting lynched and would be willing to vote him if it is deemed necessary, but I'd rather have Drazerk lynched today, and I don't really want to mess around with placing tons of votes or having tons of lynches, so I will not vote him for now.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 17 2011 22:08 GMT
#951
On November 18 2011 07:03 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:55 Kenpachi wrote:
what my flip does: It softconfirms Lanaia. that is all

well I think that I will know a lot about chaoser when you flip

His posts have been complete null tells to me
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 17 2011 22:09 GMT
#952
On November 17 2011 09:13 Lanaia wrote:
As I write this, I am currently reading page 32 but I felt explanation has priority over my reading at this moment in time.


I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.


Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:54 Lanaia wrote:
Greymist: Yes, I do. From what I've seen of his town play in the past, I felt he was town. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I have to go right now, but as soon as I'm back from class (around 4 pm PST, it's nearly two now) I will try to explain more.


I got the null void that I always get from kenpachi what exactly led you to believing he was town?


He just felt more town to me than some of the other people in game.I felt trying to save someone I'd thought was town was a good idea, at least at that point in time.

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:58 Drazerk wrote:
Lanaia one last question - Was you aware your anti vote would appear in the vote list?

I knew it would appear in the votelist with my name attached, yes.


Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 07:06 Zephirdd wrote:
Kenpachi is saying a lot and defending himself a lot, but isn't giving anything conclusive. I already voted him to "pressure" him to give a good reasoning/analysis on the game(similar to Palmar's), but it's no use. The vote stands, and won't go back.

That said, I'd like to know Lanaia's reasoning for the anti-vote, and WHY to take it back right now. I believe you had a good reasoning for Kenpachi to be town this game, and I want to know it. I also believe you were not aware that the Anti-Vote would show your name. However, why take it back? Why not just explain yourself later on(when you have the time), and convince people that Kenpachi is actually town? Why just let him die like that, are you trying to remove any "connections" people made between you and him? Or did you actually change your mind and are trying to actually lynch him? (Or are you Mafia trying to save your ass by team-killing?)

It just feels scummy imo.
##Vote: Lanaia

I took it back because people got all pissy at me. And people getting pissy at me frustrates me. I've already said I'm terrible at convincing people. And if I were trying to lynch him, I'd have a vote on him, no? And no, I am not mafia trying to save my ass because that would not be the best way to go about it.

I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.

I don't care if you don't believe me.

Now I am going to finish reading the game.

On November 17 2011 09:21 Lanaia wrote:
OH, And for the record, I didn't remove it until it was evident everyone had seen it and I'd clearly done something effing stupid. I'm sorry.

Oh, and I didn't consult with town because that would essentially mean a full role claim d1- not something I wanted to do.

CLEARLY I SCREWED SOMETHING UP.





LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaL
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 17 2011 22:10 GMT
#953
Sinani is truly Kenpachi 2.0
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
November 17 2011 22:11 GMT
#954
Chaoser Buddied / defended Kenpachi but Kenpachi never defended or even buddied Chaoser.

Personally I don't think we will learn anything significant about chaoser from kenpachi's flip
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:14 GMT
#955
On November 18 2011 07:03 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:55 Kenpachi wrote:
what my flip does: It softconfirms Lanaia. that is all

well I think that I will know a lot about chaoser when you flip

Chaoser defended Kenpachi, Kenpachi did not defend Chaoser.

Either town or scum could defend Kenpachi. Scum defending a town they think will get lynched anyway is a way to try to gain free town cred. If they don't get lynched, you can always have a scum-buddy bring them up later to divert attention if needed, as people were suspicious before, and likely still are. A townie could just think that lynching him was a poor idea because they didn't read them as being scum. I don't see how you will gain any knowledge of Chaoser from Kenpachi's flip. Care to elaborate?
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 17 2011 22:16 GMT
#956
saying that kenpachi always lurks isnt a defense though. its to help teh nubz who dont know about him.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 17 2011 22:16 GMT
#957
neither defended each other
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:17 GMT
#958
On November 18 2011 07:09 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:13 Lanaia wrote:
As I write this, I am currently reading page 32 but I felt explanation has priority over my reading at this moment in time.


I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.


On November 17 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:54 Lanaia wrote:
Greymist: Yes, I do. From what I've seen of his town play in the past, I felt he was town. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I have to go right now, but as soon as I'm back from class (around 4 pm PST, it's nearly two now) I will try to explain more.


I got the null void that I always get from kenpachi what exactly led you to believing he was town?


He just felt more town to me than some of the other people in game.I felt trying to save someone I'd thought was town was a good idea, at least at that point in time.

On November 17 2011 06:58 Drazerk wrote:
Lanaia one last question - Was you aware your anti vote would appear in the vote list?

I knew it would appear in the votelist with my name attached, yes.


On November 17 2011 07:06 Zephirdd wrote:
Kenpachi is saying a lot and defending himself a lot, but isn't giving anything conclusive. I already voted him to "pressure" him to give a good reasoning/analysis on the game(similar to Palmar's), but it's no use. The vote stands, and won't go back.

That said, I'd like to know Lanaia's reasoning for the anti-vote, and WHY to take it back right now. I believe you had a good reasoning for Kenpachi to be town this game, and I want to know it. I also believe you were not aware that the Anti-Vote would show your name. However, why take it back? Why not just explain yourself later on(when you have the time), and convince people that Kenpachi is actually town? Why just let him die like that, are you trying to remove any "connections" people made between you and him? Or did you actually change your mind and are trying to actually lynch him? (Or are you Mafia trying to save your ass by team-killing?)

It just feels scummy imo.
##Vote: Lanaia

I took it back because people got all pissy at me. And people getting pissy at me frustrates me. I've already said I'm terrible at convincing people. And if I were trying to lynch him, I'd have a vote on him, no? And no, I am not mafia trying to save my ass because that would not be the best way to go about it.

I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.

I don't care if you don't believe me.

Now I am going to finish reading the game.

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:21 Lanaia wrote:
OH, And for the record, I didn't remove it until it was evident everyone had seen it and I'd clearly done something effing stupid. I'm sorry.

Oh, and I didn't consult with town because that would essentially mean a full role claim d1- not something I wanted to do.

CLEARLY I SCREWED SOMETHING UP.





LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaL

Do you know the full extent/limitations of Lanaia's role? How did she full role claim by anti-voting Kenpachi? We still don't know if she can double vote, how many times it can be used, etc etc.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 17 2011 22:19 GMT
#959
On November 18 2011 07:17 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:09 sinani206 wrote:
On November 17 2011 09:13 Lanaia wrote:
As I write this, I am currently reading page 32 but I felt explanation has priority over my reading at this moment in time.


I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.


On November 17 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:54 Lanaia wrote:
Greymist: Yes, I do. From what I've seen of his town play in the past, I felt he was town. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I have to go right now, but as soon as I'm back from class (around 4 pm PST, it's nearly two now) I will try to explain more.


I got the null void that I always get from kenpachi what exactly led you to believing he was town?


He just felt more town to me than some of the other people in game.I felt trying to save someone I'd thought was town was a good idea, at least at that point in time.

On November 17 2011 06:58 Drazerk wrote:
Lanaia one last question - Was you aware your anti vote would appear in the vote list?

I knew it would appear in the votelist with my name attached, yes.


On November 17 2011 07:06 Zephirdd wrote:
Kenpachi is saying a lot and defending himself a lot, but isn't giving anything conclusive. I already voted him to "pressure" him to give a good reasoning/analysis on the game(similar to Palmar's), but it's no use. The vote stands, and won't go back.

That said, I'd like to know Lanaia's reasoning for the anti-vote, and WHY to take it back right now. I believe you had a good reasoning for Kenpachi to be town this game, and I want to know it. I also believe you were not aware that the Anti-Vote would show your name. However, why take it back? Why not just explain yourself later on(when you have the time), and convince people that Kenpachi is actually town? Why just let him die like that, are you trying to remove any "connections" people made between you and him? Or did you actually change your mind and are trying to actually lynch him? (Or are you Mafia trying to save your ass by team-killing?)

It just feels scummy imo.
##Vote: Lanaia

I took it back because people got all pissy at me. And people getting pissy at me frustrates me. I've already said I'm terrible at convincing people. And if I were trying to lynch him, I'd have a vote on him, no? And no, I am not mafia trying to save my ass because that would not be the best way to go about it.

I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.

I don't care if you don't believe me.

Now I am going to finish reading the game.

On November 17 2011 09:21 Lanaia wrote:
OH, And for the record, I didn't remove it until it was evident everyone had seen it and I'd clearly done something effing stupid. I'm sorry.

Oh, and I didn't consult with town because that would essentially mean a full role claim d1- not something I wanted to do.

CLEARLY I SCREWED SOMETHING UP.





LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaL

Do you know the full extent/limitations of Lanaia's role? How did she full role claim by anti-voting Kenpachi? We still don't know if she can double vote, how many times it can be used, etc etc.


i doubt thats not her full role. if it isnt then she is scum because anything else would be too powerful for town.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 17 2011 22:20 GMT
#960
So within four hours, we must focus on getting another lynch. We already have 2 people a 8 votes, i suggest we focus on them. Both look scummy, both are in my likely scum list, yet Drazerk voted for Sinani206 so its unlikely that both are scum.

First of all, Sinani was a big partisan of dividing our attention . Quite amusingly he used the divide and conquer analogy, where as pointed by WBG, you are suppose to divide you enemy. Meaning we town are the enemy?

He Bandwagoned against Lanaia, which as i explained before, is something that is very pro-mafia. Just look at his post just before, when we already established that Lanaia should not be lynched. Both his votes are given without any explanation other than "its obvious". He is either scum or an extremely bad town. Even Drazerk looks good in comparison. I dont think town needs him.

##Vote Sinani206



Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
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