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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 09:02 Ace wrote: He can play this card from both alignments, hence you can't even take his excuse of doing it to WIFOM the Mafia seriously. The Town would have lost but it was the correct play. If it could have come from both alignments, you discard the information and base the lynch on the other 70 pages. Carrying out a policy lynch just for the sake of policy doesn't make sense. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 09:09 Ace wrote: This isn't a policy lynch. It is a LYLO and someone has been found to be lying about a Role claim. You can't tell if he is Town or Scum because his alibi is acceptable for both alignments so you can't take it at face value. What you do know is that he claimed a role, and the actual REAL role died. What happened in the other 70 pages that can overturn this scenario? Lynch all liars is a policy lynch. If the role claim isn't town or scum aligned, why should it lead to an instant GM lynch? To discourage town players from lying in future games? That's nice and all, but the goal is to win the current game. Considering GM had a partiy difference from a player which had zero worthwhile posts in a 70 page game and he had reasonable town tells on day one, you can't call town bad for not lynching him over the claim. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote: You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? We weren't . GM wasn't "confirmed" town or anything. We had a parity check on bugs vs super and chose to lynch bugs. GM's opinion wasn't taken as law. On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote: if a Scum GM makes this claim, this is the sticking point. You realize that a Scum GM wins the game for the Scum team if this claim goes through. I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote: This is the kind of shit play that has led people to stop playing here and you can't even recognize it. In a Town favored setup a PC claims Day 1, The Town mislynches twice, A town player lies about his role and yet you still think that was a good play going into LYLO. You're right, you know better than me. I'm not even going to discuss this anymore No need to become upset. I'm the first to admit that we played poorly on day one forcing a claim. I'm not trying to spin two mislynches as great town play. I agree this was certainly a town favorable setup. I think not lynching GM was a good play going into LYLO because he wasn't scum. That's all. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 09:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Actually kita, your logic fails on the account that you automatically know ALL the parity possibilities. You know that GM+nipple are opposite parities as well, so you might as well focus on them instead of myself+S&G. Correct, but how does that break the logic? | ||
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kitaman27
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote: This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin. The parity check means either you or super were scum. We had a town read on super, we had a scum read on you guys. We lynch you guys. It's not a coinflip, its just like any other lynch. You decide based on the information available. If the scum team was GM and S&G, the game plays out differently and perhaps we don't make the same decision. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: uhhh... you said you had a scum read on S&G not even a day ago, not to mention by all accounts S&G was saying scummier things on day 3. We posted in the thread that we had a scum read on S&G. We didn't. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2011 00:54 kitaman27 wrote: I'm just spouting nonsense, what's your excuse? Heh unfortunately chaoser seemed to be the only one to jump on the S&G fake suspicion. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 10:07 Ace wrote: They are arguing based on the known results of the game. I bet you if you flipped Town they still wouldn't even realize what you and I are talking about. <3 You are arguing based on hypothetical situations. If bugs was town, then this game plays out differently. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote: kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots. Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum: Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? On November 10 2011 08:23 Ace wrote: I told WBG I didn't read the game but skimmed the thread and saw when GM said he fake claimed to protect the medic. There should have been an instant lynch right there with no hesitation. But the Town is ridiculous. Hypothetical situation #3. An absent player and a fake claimer return different parities. Who gets lynched  | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 10:29 Qatol wrote: Easy. Fake claimer, assuming they weren't ridiculously pro-town before the fake claim. The absent player is probably a bored townie. But suppose its a blatantly absent player, with zero game related posts at LYLO, who promises analysis on three separate occasions without delivering and is post in other mafia threads. RoL really should have been the day 2 lynch -_- | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 11:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: This is so backwards and once again, you guys miss the point. Just because the outcome worked doesn't mean your logic or reasoning was right. Do you know our logic or reasoning RoL? On November 10 2011 11:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: To put this in perspective, if I proceeded to lie through the ENTIRE game, blatantly push miss lynches and shout scum at every turn, use a fakeclaim, but somehow ended up being a townie. That doesn't mean it was a good decision not to lynch me just because it turned out being right. That's another hypothetical situation. That's not what occurred this game. On November 10 2011 11:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It's lucky, not good. That's the mistake you are making. It's like saying if Option A is correct 90% of the time, but you guys chose option B, which is only right 10% of the time and somehow B ends up being right it doesn't mean that B is a good decision just because is somehow worked out. But that's not how a game of mafia works. Option A has to be correct either 100% of the time or 0% of the time. The alignment's of players has already been determined. A fake claim could have been scum 9 out of the previous 10 games, but those past events don't influence the current event. You could develop a crude heuristic to influence your decisions, but then you have to consider the previous 144 hours of events in addition to your 90% fake claimers are scum theory. | ||
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kitaman27
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 12:52 Ace wrote: @kita: I've asked you twice already to SHOW ME SOMETHING in these 70 pages that helps the case of WBG having to be scum that allows you to ignore GM. You haven't done it. So if I'm being short sighted you aren't showing me anything to let me know you even understand the situation. Good bye. Hmm? bugs alignment wasn't related to GM's alignment. There was a parity check between Radfield/Bugs and super/grey that returned different. That means there was a difference in parity between GM and Kurumi/RoL. From there, GM was the clearer town based on the first three days events. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote: there is nothing that told you GM was clear town over Kurumi in that respect. Technically we never had to make the decision because you guys conceded  | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 13:41 chaoser wrote: SC analogy? You're D- rank and you just won by going deep six off no scouting. Ace is Bisu. That might be more an insult to Ace than it is to red. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 13:54 GMarshal wrote: huh, kita though I was scum, because of ______, better not do _____ anymore" You slander me! Team Viking was clearly not present in my foolproof "2/6 of these guys are scum" list. | ||
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