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On November 09 2011 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:
psst chaoser you're not supposed to counter claim until tomorrow
Got antsy with the trigger finger. And my breadcrumbs, unless you're saying in the few minutes between GM's claim and my claim that I was somehow able to find and make up four different breadcrumbs based on three different TV shows involving doctors (E.R, scrubs, Doogie Howser), I'm the real doctor and he's the fake. He even messed up his claim, claiming medic when it's doctor.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Parity Cop, Doctor.
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On November 09 2011 01:24 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:22 chaoser wrote:
Also Gm fucked up his claim, it's DOCTOR, not MEDIC Sure thing scum. Its easy, whichever of us is alive in the morning is mafia. My question to you is why would you counter claim now, at night, rather than wait to see if I'm alive in the morning? Ooops ^_^
My guess? You're fucked and now can neither kill me nor can you kill yourself. If I really WAS mafia I would have just shot you, there's no REASON for me to counter claim at night if I was mafia. Which is why I did it =]
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On November 09 2011 01:26 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:
psst chaoser you're not supposed to counter claim until tomorrow Got antsy with the trigger finger. And my breadcrumbs, unless you're saying in the few minutes between GM's claim and my claim that I was somehow able to find and make up four different breadcrumbs based on three different TV shows involving doctors (E.R, scrubs, Doogie Howser), I'm the real doctor and he's the fake. He even messed up his claim, claiming medic when it's doctor. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Parity Cop, Doctor.
Fever, I didn't even confirm it with my role PM. Now why would you ever counterclaim NOW if town? Clearly you are scum.
Also why would I claim medic as scum, NOW? so that people lynch me when I'm not dead in the morning? Especially with bugs giving me such a nice way out with his post about how the medic shouldn't claim?
My claim makes sense, your counter claim makes none.
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Guys....YOU'RE BOTH SCUM. WE'RE THE MEDIC.
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On November 09 2011 01:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:24 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 01:22 chaoser wrote:
Also Gm fucked up his claim, it's DOCTOR, not MEDIC Sure thing scum. Its easy, whichever of us is alive in the morning is mafia. My question to you is why would you counter claim now, at night, rather than wait to see if I'm alive in the morning? Ooops ^_^ My guess? You're fucked and now can neither kill me nor can you kill yourself. If I really WAS mafia I would have just shot you, there's no REASON for me to counter claim at night if I was mafia. Which is why I did it =]
Or, you could have waited till morning pointed out how the medic was still alive you are the medic and I should die. or get shot and expose me as a liar. Instead you "counterclaim"? I think this is scum that is uncomfortable with the idea of a 66% chance of losing a member tomorrow ^_^
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Alright, I have some time before lab. So here is how its going to go down tonight:
Red21, check me and super, any and all medics protect them.
What does this do?
Kita/red will now have 3 checks, potentially allowing them to confirm our aliengment. One of GM or Chaoser will probaly be dead, giving us one scum right off the bat. This will secure our next day lynch. The next night Kita will probally die as there is no more medic protection. This gives us one extra day to catch the final scum team.
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On November 09 2011 01:30 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:26 chaoser wrote:On November 09 2011 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:
psst chaoser you're not supposed to counter claim until tomorrow Got antsy with the trigger finger. And my breadcrumbs, unless you're saying in the few minutes between GM's claim and my claim that I was somehow able to find and make up four different breadcrumbs based on three different TV shows involving doctors (E.R, scrubs, Doogie Howser), I'm the real doctor and he's the fake. He even messed up his claim, claiming medic when it's doctor. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Parity Cop, Doctor. Fever, I didn't even confirm it with my role PM. Now why would you ever counterclaim NOW if town? Clearly you are scum. Also why would I claim medic as scum, NOW? so that people lynch me when I'm not dead in the morning? Especially with bugs giving me such a nice way out with his post about how the medic shouldn't claim? My claim makes sense, your counter claim makes none.
Here's why you'd claim "medic" now as scum. You get kita/red to check you and then not die and give the excuse that mafia didn't want to kill you so that kita/red can't confirm their check. That's the main reason. There's other reasons like trying to see people's reactions and such but the main one is the one I just listed.
Now, why would I, if I was scum, counter claim you at night? Counter claiming at night at this point is more advantageous to town than it is to mafia. Mafia now will either decide to shoot me and when I flip, out you. Or they can decide NOT to shoot me in which case It becomes a me v you lynch tomorrow which I am sure I'll win due to your mistake about your role and also my superior breadcrumbs.
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On November 09 2011 01:33 GreYMisT wrote:
Alright, I have some time before lab. So here is how its going to go down tonight:
Red21, check me and super, any and all medics protect them.
What does this do?
Kita/red will now have 3 checks, potentially allowing them to confirm our aliengment. One of GM or Chaoser will probaly be dead, giving us one scum right off the bat. This will secure our next day lynch. The next night Kita will probally die as there is no more medic protection. This gives us one extra day to catch the final scum team.
Why would they have three checks? It's only night 2?
And there's only 1 doctor. And I've been protecting since night 1.
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On November 09 2011 01:35 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:30 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 01:26 chaoser wrote:On November 09 2011 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:
psst chaoser you're not supposed to counter claim until tomorrow Got antsy with the trigger finger. And my breadcrumbs, unless you're saying in the few minutes between GM's claim and my claim that I was somehow able to find and make up four different breadcrumbs based on three different TV shows involving doctors (E.R, scrubs, Doogie Howser), I'm the real doctor and he's the fake. He even messed up his claim, claiming medic when it's doctor. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Parity Cop, Doctor. Fever, I didn't even confirm it with my role PM. Now why would you ever counterclaim NOW if town? Clearly you are scum. Also why would I claim medic as scum, NOW? so that people lynch me when I'm not dead in the morning? Especially with bugs giving me such a nice way out with his post about how the medic shouldn't claim? My claim makes sense, your counter claim makes none. Here's why you'd claim "medic" now as scum. You get kita/red to check you and then not die and give the excuse that mafia didn't want to kill you so that kita/red can't confirm their check. That's the main reason. There's other reasons like trying to see people's reactions and such but the main one is the one I just listed. Now, why would I, if I was scum, counter claim you at night? Counter claiming at night at this point is more advantageous to town than it is to mafia. Mafia now will either decide to shoot me and when I flip, out you. Or they can decide NOT to shoot me in which case It becomes a me v you lynch tomorrow which I am sure I'll win due to your mistake about your role and also my superior breadcrumbs.
I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
Imagine this, I claim medic, then the mafia doesn't shoot me, they instead shoot, say RoL, RoL flips jailkeeper. Then I'm fucked, anally. Or this happens, except during the day. There are two possibilities, either you are scum trying to counterclaim or a townie trying to save my ass. Either way its horrible play and probably going to get you lynched when I get shot.
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On November 09 2011 01:37 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:33 GreYMisT wrote:
Alright, I have some time before lab. So here is how its going to go down tonight:
Red21, check me and super, any and all medics protect them.
What does this do?
Kita/red will now have 3 checks, potentially allowing them to confirm our aliengment. One of GM or Chaoser will probaly be dead, giving us one scum right off the bat. This will secure our next day lynch. The next night Kita will probally die as there is no more medic protection. This gives us one extra day to catch the final scum team. Why would they have three checks? It's only night 2? And there's only 1 doctor. And I've been protecting since night 1.
Yea you are right, only 2 checks, my mistake.
I meant to whoever might be the real medic, continue to protect kita.
What do you think about the plan overall though? I think it makes the most logical sense at the moment.
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we're not saying who we're checking.
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What happened to that fever and being hardly able to even string coherent sentences together? Thought you were going to collapse?
I'm 100% doctor and GM is 100% lying. There's NO reason for mafia to COUNTER CLAIM AT NIGHT. If I was mafia, I'd not shoot you and COUNTER CLAIM IN THE MORNING.
I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
You asked me why you would claim "medic" as scum at night and yet you can't even answer why I would counterclaim at night if I was scum. The answer? There's no advantage at this point for mafia to counterclaim at night. At all. Come on, list some reasons for why mafia would want to counter claim at night compared to counterclaiming in the morning. I don't even care if it's WIFOM. Just give me some.
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Why not? there is no Roleblocker or Framer in this settup
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On November 09 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:What happened to that fever and being hardly able to even string coherent sentences together? Thought you were going to collapse? I'm 100% doctor and GM is 100% lying. There's NO reason for mafia to COUNTER CLAIM AT NIGHT. If I was mafia, I'd not shoot you and COUNTER CLAIM IN THE MORNING. Show nested quote +I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
You asked me why you would claim "medic" as scum at night and yet you can't even answer why I would counterclaim at night if I was scum. The answer? There's no advantage at this point for mafia to counterclaim at night. At all. Come on, list some reasons for why mafia would want to counter claim at night compared to counterclaiming in the morning. I don't even care if it's WIFOM. Just give me some.
I'm still hardly able to write coherent sentences.
If you were scum you'd still shoot me at night and not bother with a counter claim at all. My brain is fuzzy right now, because you are right, you are making no sense. I'm the medic, I know this for a fact, there is no possible way you can be, yet you seem determined to insist that you are?! When I get shot and flip blue you are going to have to explain yourself to an angry lynch mob and that makes no sense to me from a scum perspective.
Then again, you always did like fakeclaiming, maybe this is some insane townie play to get the mafia to shoot you instead, and when you flip green win the game or something. I don't even know.
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On November 09 2011 01:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Why not? there is no Roleblocker or Framer in this settup
why the fuck would i check you?
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On November 09 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:What happened to that fever and being hardly able to even string coherent sentences together? Thought you were going to collapse? I'm 100% doctor and GM is 100% lying. There's NO reason for mafia to COUNTER CLAIM AT NIGHT. If I was mafia, I'd not shoot you and COUNTER CLAIM IN THE MORNING. Show nested quote +I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
You asked me why you would claim "medic" as scum at night and yet you can't even answer why I would counterclaim at night if I was scum. The answer? There's no advantage at this point for mafia to counterclaim at night. At all. Come on, list some reasons for why mafia would want to counter claim at night compared to counterclaiming in the morning. I don't even care if it's WIFOM. Just give me some.
If I was actually mafia and a doctor claimed at night I would:
Choice 1) Don't say shit, shoot you and then see kita's checks. Then argue it there.
Choice 2) Don't say shit, let Kita/Red check you and kill someone else. Then counter claim in the morning saying I'm actually the doctor.
At least I had have two choices that aren't connected
But now that I've counterclaimed, the first choice would be fucked if I was mafia since by killing you I'd have killed myself (via lynch). So the only way I can go about it is to argue. Why, as mafia, would I decide to close my own choices and restrict myself?
Also, if I counterclaim now you probably won't kill me since when I flip, you'd be fucked as a fake claim. So I get to live to protect another day.
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On November 09 2011 01:52 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:What happened to that fever and being hardly able to even string coherent sentences together? Thought you were going to collapse? I'm 100% doctor and GM is 100% lying. There's NO reason for mafia to COUNTER CLAIM AT NIGHT. If I was mafia, I'd not shoot you and COUNTER CLAIM IN THE MORNING. I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
You asked me why you would claim "medic" as scum at night and yet you can't even answer why I would counterclaim at night if I was scum. The answer? There's no advantage at this point for mafia to counterclaim at night. At all. Come on, list some reasons for why mafia would want to counter claim at night compared to counterclaiming in the morning. I don't even care if it's WIFOM. Just give me some. If I was actually mafia and a doctor claimed at night I would: Choice 1) Don't say shit, shoot you and then see kita's checks. Then argue it there. Choice 2) Don't say shit, let Kita/Red check you and kill someone else. Then counter claim in the morning saying I'm actually the doctor. At least I had have two choices that aren't connected But now that I've counterclaimed, the first choice would be fucked if I was mafia since by killing you I'd have killed myself (via lynch). So the only way I can go about it is to argue. Why, as mafia, would I decide to close my own choices and restrict myself? Also, if I counterclaim now you probably won't kill me since when I flip, you'd be fucked as a fake claim. So I get to live to protect another day.
I'm done arguing with you, its a waste of time, I'm assuming you are some kind of insane VT or scum at this point. When I die you are fucked, if I don't die, well then we'll lynch you and mafia will be fucked ^_^
If you die you will either flip red or green, proving I am the medic.
Its win win for me!
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because you the fuck want to win this game?
lets outline some scenarios.
1. all three of me,chaoser, and GM survive the night
You are going to push for my lynch, chaoser and GM will go at each others throats. Chaos and madness ensues
2. Me alive, one of chaoser and GM dead
We probally kill whichever is still alive between the two of them, next night you concievably die, a check on us never happens, town is left with WIFOM.
3. I die, chaoser and GM alive
I dont understand a world in which this occurs
now, in the above 2 realistic scenarios, wouldnt checking me and supersoft be pretty damn helpful?
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Keep in mind, the mafia could already know this is a medic setup with the role cop. By removing us, viking, their hit and the two scum, there is a 1/3 chance. If we're willing to believe they didn't check sandroba its 50/50.
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