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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
September 30 2011 01:26 GMT
#42
/in
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 12 2011 19:18 GMT
#318
I support only 3 roles being the top 3 mandatory picks: inventor, thief, role swap. I think it's crucial we have some accountability. With only 3 roles there is also a much lower chance of getting your role stolen if we are just looking at the top 3. The town can control their actions and it forces them to use their powers for town-oriented goals.

Although Radfield, how do you envision the relationship between inventor, thief, and role swapper working? Should they confirm each? Leave each other alone?

One other thing I want to mention. Rockstar is guarded by vanilla townies OR mafia. Don't go confirming yourself to your bodyguards.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 12 2011 19:26 GMT
#320
And as Radfield put it, the alternative is not knowing who the inventor is AND not getting a red kill.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 13 2011 03:15 GMT
#386
1, 17

ya.... didn't want to pick early anyways
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 13 2011 03:16 GMT
#388
i was being sarcastic. for some reason i thought the second number had priority the closer you are to 20.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 13 2011 03:22 GMT
#392
I also didn't think it mattered how many times a number was repeated. So I went with 1 thinking if a number is going to get repeated, it might as well be 1.

So I think we can all agree this subtly confirms me as townie since if I was mafia my teammates would have corrected me.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 14 2011 06:45 GMT
#516
I'm curious. Are we overall wanting to vote someone high in the draft order to protect high value roles or low in the draft to limit the abusiveness of the mayoral position?

Syllogism you seem to trust Mig. That's great, but if Mig is mayor, I strongly ask that you don't try to be pardoner. You two seem to be cooperating at some level but I feel the Mayor and Pardoner should be completely separate, working against each somewhat, rather than together. I think it's better right now if the two can't work together as one.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 01:52 GMT
#646
Radfield has my vote for pure town presence. He's been very active, reasonable, and is quite a level-headed guy.

On the subject of syllogism, sandroba, and mig, I'm pretty sure they legitimately think each other are town. I've played enough with them especially MercMini2 to know they immediately gravitate towards each other in PM games.

heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 02:40 GMT
#655
On October 15 2011 11:20 Node wrote:
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On October 15 2011 10:52 heist wrote:
Radfield has my vote for pure town presence. He's been very active, reasonable, and is quite a level-headed guy.

On the subject of syllogism, sandroba, and mig, I'm pretty sure they legitimately think each other are town. I've played enough with them especially MercMini2 to know they immediately gravitate towards each other in PM games.



They may legitimately think each other are town, but does that mean they are actually town? The only one that I know much of anything about in this game is sandroba, and jimbo did make some good points against him, though I'm less sure now since he backed off more-or-less completely. With the other two, it's completely heresay. I don't have a read either way, and it scares me that people are convincing themselves that they're town.

Jimbo, if elected, do you still plan to lynch sandroba? If not, who? Why?

Chaoser, are you even still running? What are you up to? I still have no idea what your platform is, beyond "I was good at hunting scum a couple of times".


I'm not saying I think they are town. I'm simply saying I don't find it scummy or suspicious that the three of them think each other are town.

At this point, if you are running for mayor, I think you need to propose a lynch target and depending on how many votes you have, we can start discussing the merits.

On October 15 2011 05:54 supersoft wrote:
okay, i vote for Mig as mayor. my reasoning is simple. I know mig from former PM games and he's active all the time. I don't trust anyone because we have like a 40% scumrate. If someone disagrees with that, I am in irc for further discussion.


Can you expound more on this? Your only reason is activity which is not even purely a town quality (as opposed to something like scum-hunting, scum reads, etc). Have you had any conversations with him? If so, I'd also like Syllo's take on Supersoft.

heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 02:43 GMT
#656
Prplhz, why are you acting so prickly over WBG revealing what you think of him?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 18:52 GMT
#730
I'll be keeping my vote on Radfield. None of this, I PMed him. He comes across as town. If you are running for mayor I want you posting in the thread itself. The mayors at least should be leaving a mark on the thread, being active, contributing. Mig and Greymist, I feel like you two are feeling secure that you have a couple people believing you're town and doing pretty minimal stuff in the actual forum. I can't tell what you guys really are because you aren't active enough in-thread.

Do I know you guys are town? No. I can't just trust others telling me Greymist is town based on their conversations. And you guys expect me to have PM conversations in order judge for myself. Rather I expect you guys to start posting more in thread to more accurately gauge your alignments.

Radfield, at least, has been doing just that and even though he is better than most at hiding his mafia alignment, he's one of the most active players in thread right now and a really good scum-hunter.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 19:05 GMT
#732
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.

heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 19:24 GMT
#737
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
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On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.

Here's how the leading candidates stand with me:

greymist: no idea for alignment. hasn't posted much in thread. really quick bandwagon to elect him that comes from nowhere. less experienced than the other two.

mig: no real effort to contribute to the actual thread. can't tell what he is again because I'm primarily looking at the thread.

radfield: ideal townie so far. his only real fault it seems is that he is known to act really townie even as mafia.

I'll take actual effort and activity over anything else at this point.


heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 19:44 GMT
#741
On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me


Should we kill off Radfield just because he's really good as scum no matter how town he acts? No.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 19:48 GMT
#744
chaoser somehow took my statement as me wanting to kill radfield
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#753
no you imply that I want radfield to be killed off
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:06 GMT
#754
I would agree with not electing Radfield if I thought with a much greater certainty Mig or Greymist was town.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:09 GMT
#757
I never implied that you wanted Radfield killed off. This is getting stupid.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:10 GMT
#759
Do you?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:13 GMT
#761
That it sounds ridiculous. The final end path of refusing to vote for radfield purely for his history.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:18 GMT
#764
Who is the player that is contributing, staying active, logical and generally acting as a townie should?

IMO it's Radfield.

Perhaps other people disagree, but what is almost everyone's reason from going against him?

He's really good at seeming townie as mafia.

With this attitude, might as well kill him now [sarcasm].
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:18 GMT
#765
left out the word best in there somewhere

oh and that "implying" is from my post
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#768
I guess it was your post

if he's better at hiding his mafia alignment why would you vote for him even if he is active???

I'm not implying you want him dead. I'm saying if you follow this train of thought, you might as well just go the extreme and kill him off.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:35 GMT
#770
no i don't. only to emphasize how silly something is.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 20:36 GMT
#771
im not looking for every opportunity to "take something to the extreme"
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 21:40 GMT
#776
My criteria for electing someone is based on performance, thread presence, experience, etc. The ideal townie in essence. And yes, you are alike to Radfield in that regard.

But one thing I found flawed is the mentality of voting for someone based on who they would lynch. The lynch target should the same regardless of the mayor. Obviously, the mayor has final say and veto. And obviously, I'll ask candidates who they want to lynch, which can be revealing, but the lynch should be a town decision overall. It shouldn't really be used as a platform to get elected, but rather something for town to discuss while electing the mayor on their own merits.

So let's say I wasn't exactly receptive when you started off your campaign founded on a promise to lynch Sandroba. It just came off as: This is my best judgment, This is what's going to happen if I'm mayor, vote for me if you agree.

The #3 thing didn't really bother me so much as that.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 15 2011 21:49 GMT
#780
On October 16 2011 06:47 Arctocod wrote:
guys, you should just claim to me.

I already know like 10 people or something.


then something is seriously wrong
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 16 2011 04:25 GMT
#861
Well I come back to Radfield and Chaoser wanting my head and narrowly avoiding a lynch....

What exactly are you guys accusing me of other than that idiotic conversation with Chaoser?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 16 2011 04:45 GMT
#863
yes but why?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 17 2011 20:34 GMT
#1012
On October 18 2011 04:34 sinani206 wrote:
Hi guys. Apparently I'm bad at remembering to tell hosts that I'm going on vacation. (Sorry)

Anyway I'm back now, so I'm going to play. I claimed to arctocod and I'm mostly caught up, I believe.

On the subject of who to lynch today, I think our best choice right now is probably Meapack_Ziphh based on the last few pages.

##Vote Meapak_Ziphh


One of the first things you do when you come back is to claim your role? Why?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 17 2011 20:36 GMT
#1013
And I don't know if missed something, but what's all this talk about confirmed townies? Who and why?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 18 2011 06:57 GMT
#1076
sorry, I've been busy with school the entire day. I've only been able to get a few PM's through. catching up
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 18 2011 07:43 GMT
#1077
On October 18 2011 13:42 Jackal58 wrote:
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On October 18 2011 13:31 hiro protagonist wrote:
On October 18 2011 13:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 18 2011 12:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
On October 18 2011 12:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
why are you derps still talking about people other than sandroba?


Saying stuff like this is not helping. Its not a townie thing to do. It actively quells discussion. Stop it.


oh look a derp who seems to want to call me scum

Saying stuff like this is not helping. Its not a townie thing to do. It actively quells discussion. Stop it.

But HE GOES TO BERKLEY!!!!!!!


First of all, as student at BERKELEY, I'm gonna have to correct your spelling there.

Second of all, I'm really disagreeing with the Meapak lynch. The original accusation seems forced and weak. He's not "planting mistrust" just for doubting the legitimacy of a townie circle that's essentially self-confirmed each other. It worries me that peopel who haven't contributed much have quickly jumped on the bandwagon with a simple "I agree".

I think the case on Foolishness has a lot more merit than meapak. If it come down to the two of them, I won't be voting for meapak.

My. Wiggles, your day 2 behavior is a lot different than when you were trying to get us to vote for you as mayor. Where are you?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 18 2011 20:53 GMT
#1127
I think he's just given his role. Not who he's protecting.

If this "switcheroo" was solely kept between meapak and jimbo, how did this get leaked anyway?

How could Sandroba know to leak it to others?

A red check is a red check. Things aren't adding up. Jimbo conveniently forgetting to give us an invention. Meapak you could have picked from the entire drafting list as a replacement. Was jimbo the single most townie-looking person at the time?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 20 2011 04:01 GMT
#1284
Is it just me or are some people always mafia no matter what game they play?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 20 2011 22:19 GMT
#1343
im down for the plan and I'll be voting as such. supersoft your only effort at all this game has been to your defense but then again I'm not mr. active myself. but why are you even mentioning wbg at all?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 21 2011 16:41 GMT
#1395
On October 22 2011 00:21 supersoft wrote:
i said if you want to kill him, you better shoot him rather than lynching him.
In my opinion he doesn't deserve a process since he doesnt defend himself anyway.

It's much better to lynch or to try to lynch someone that actually is talking.


you're already getting nuked. why shouldnt we kill off the almost guaranteed scum, sinani?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 23 2011 05:24 GMT
#1505
GG guys. Sorry I've been too busy with school to really be active. I'll stop playing for a while because I hate missing large chunks of the day.

I was the Parity Cop. I've still never been mafia. Wonder what it's like.
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