I support only 3 roles being the top 3 mandatory picks: inventor, thief, role swap. I think it's crucial we have some accountability. With only 3 roles there is also a much lower chance of getting your role stolen if we are just looking at the top 3. The town can control their actions and it forces them to use their powers for town-oriented goals.

Although Radfield, how do you envision the relationship between inventor, thief, and role swapper working? Should they confirm each? Leave each other alone?

One other thing I want to mention. Rockstar is guarded by vanilla townies OR mafia. Don't go confirming yourself to your bodyguards.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 12 2011 19:26 GMT

#320

And as Radfield put it, the alternative is not knowing who the inventor is AND not getting a red kill.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 13 2011 03:15 GMT

#386

1, 17

ya.... didn't want to pick early anyways

heist

United States720 Posts

October 13 2011 03:16 GMT

#388

i was being sarcastic. for some reason i thought the second number had priority the closer you are to 20.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 13 2011 03:22 GMT

#392

I also didn't think it mattered how many times a number was repeated. So I went with 1 thinking if a number is going to get repeated, it might as well be 1.

So I think we can all agree this subtly confirms me as townie since if I was mafia my teammates would have corrected me.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 14 2011 06:45 GMT

#516

I'm curious. Are we overall wanting to vote someone high in the draft order to protect high value roles or low in the draft to limit the abusiveness of the mayoral position?

Syllogism you seem to trust Mig. That's great, but if Mig is mayor, I strongly ask that you don't try to be pardoner. You two seem to be cooperating at some level but I feel the Mayor and Pardoner should be completely separate, working against each somewhat, rather than together. I think it's better right now if the two can't work together as one.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 01:52 GMT

#646

Radfield has my vote for pure town presence. He's been very active, reasonable, and is quite a level-headed guy.

On the subject of syllogism, sandroba, and mig, I'm pretty sure they legitimately think each other are town. I've played enough with them especially MercMini2 to know they immediately gravitate towards each other in PM games.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 02:40 GMT

#655

On October 15 2011 11:20 Node wrote:

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They may legitimately think each other are town, but does that mean they are actually town? The only one that I know much of anything about in this game is sandroba, and jimbo did make some good points against him, though I'm less sure now since he backed off more-or-less completely. With the other two, it's completely heresay. I don't have a read either way, and it scares me that people are convincing themselves that they're town.

Jimbo, if elected, do you still plan to lynch sandroba? If not, who? Why?

Chaoser, are you even still running? What are you up to? I still have no idea what your platform is, beyond "I was good at hunting scum a couple of times".

I'm not saying I think they are town. I'm simply saying I don't find it scummy or suspicious that the three of them think each other are town.

At this point, if you are running for mayor, I think you need to propose a lynch target and depending on how many votes you have, we can start discussing the merits.

On October 15 2011 05:54 supersoft wrote:
okay, i vote for Mig as mayor. my reasoning is simple. I know mig from former PM games and he's active all the time. I don't trust anyone because we have like a 40% scumrate. If someone disagrees with that, I am in irc for further discussion.

Can you expound more on this? Your only reason is activity which is not even purely a town quality (as opposed to something like scum-hunting, scum reads, etc). Have you had any conversations with him? If so, I'd also like Syllo's take on Supersoft.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 02:43 GMT

#656

Prplhz, why are you acting so prickly over WBG revealing what you think of him?

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 18:52 GMT

#730

I'll be keeping my vote on Radfield. None of this, I PMed him. He comes across as town. If you are running for mayor I want you posting in the thread itself. The mayors at least should be leaving a mark on the thread, being active, contributing. Mig and Greymist, I feel like you two are feeling secure that you have a couple people believing you're town and doing pretty minimal stuff in the actual forum. I can't tell what you guys really are because you aren't active enough in-thread.

Do I know you guys are town? No. I can't just trust others telling me Greymist is town based on their conversations. And you guys expect me to have PM conversations in order judge for myself. Rather I expect you guys to start posting more in thread to more accurately gauge your alignments.

Radfield, at least, has been doing just that and even though he is better than most at hiding his mafia alignment, he's one of the most active players in thread right now and a really good scum-hunter.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 19:05 GMT

#732

and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 19:24 GMT

#737

On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:

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??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?

I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.

Here's how the leading candidates stand with me:

greymist: no idea for alignment. hasn't posted much in thread. really quick bandwagon to elect him that comes from nowhere. less experienced than the other two.

mig: no real effort to contribute to the actual thread. can't tell what he is again because I'm primarily looking at the thread.

radfield: ideal townie so far. his only real fault it seems is that he is known to act really townie even as mafia.

I'll take actual effort and activity over anything else at this point.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 19:44 GMT

#741

On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:

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What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me

Should we kill off Radfield just because he's really good as scum no matter how town he acts? No.

heist

United States720 Posts

October 15 2011 19:48 GMT

#744