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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
But it seems unlikely to me that any of those 3 players(super, jacuzzi, sinani) were more important to protect than either Chaoser or Cheese. So perhaps I'm missing something. Only option would be if Super flips Framer or something. But at pick #18..... | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
I haven't seen much of sinani at all this entire game, he is playing far differently than games where we all think he is scum, but is actually town. In this game he has just lurked hardcore. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
erandorr is 100% town i hided behind him last night | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
Foolish/Jimbo were york Jimbo's invention somehow masked their flips and changed their alignments. He created this in the hopes we would dt check foolish and he would return house of chezinu confusing us. Jimbo claimed to me that he would give me his invention but then did not. This indicates that most likely his invention was not intended to benefit the town. Bill_Murray is actually just a cover to hopefully confuse us and that is why it has posted once and then just disappeared. Along with that the check result on jimbo was 12 hours late and the OP has not been updated, and my question about the invention has not been answered. All of this leads me to believe that it was an invention which screwed things up and the hosts hadn't really considered how they would deal with it. sinani/supersoft are Tudor. First decon said this to foolish. [16:45] [16:45] [16:45] [16:45] [16:45]  If this statement is the truth then supersoft/sinani fit that (possibly also wbg or some of the dreamflowers but I am going to dismiss them for now) Along with that supersoft has claimed hider a role that is HORRIBLE for town in this setup. If the hider is town and hides behind mafia they die so picking that role in a setup with 40%+ mafia would be beyond horrible. It would make Jackal's pick of Ackbar look genius in comparison. Along with that supersoft can be decently active and helpful if he wants, he has given the town absolutely nothing this game and has just lurked constantly. He is virtually guaranteed mafia. 2nd sinani has about 3 posts so I have no real way to know he is for sure mafia but by process of elimination he fits and he has absolutely nothing townie wise going for him. Definitely the next best candidate to fit. One of sandroba/prplhz is Lancaster If we assume no kp is missing then either A) wiggles forgot to send in his protection n1 (unlikely but possible) or B) they decided to protect another target that was likely to be shot. Sandroba and prplhz both fit that possibility. Prplhz and cyber_cheese were the only 2 people to ask syllo who should be shot n1 and syllo told cheese he was very suspicious of prplhz still so there is some chance they were afraid prplhz would be shot. But we then have to assume prplhz made an insanely ballsy and lucky lie by claiming he took df and got vanilla at 16. WBG told multiple people he wanted to kill sandroba n1 and there was a decent sentiment that he might be shot so perhaps they felt they had to protect him. Things that can screw everything to hell There is somehow a framer still living and he has fucked up a bunch of checks. I have tried to think through every possible scenario where wbg/jacuzzi/heist/hiro/etc could be framer and none of it makes sense. Right now I believe there is no framer. Kenpachi took nkvd as mafia at #2 for some ridiculous reason. So our best plan now is to kill supersoft and sinani today. They are the 2 most likely to flip mafia, especially supersoft. Once we see their flips we can decide on what our best plan of action for the night is. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
there was absolutely no hesitation in your nuke to stop up and say "maybe decon was framed" or "are we to trust kenpachi on this?" i can only see scum benefiting from this. you can always just say "oh yea i thought kenpachi was telling the truth lets lynch him!". your rhetoric serves to justify that you are now killing somebody but that's not your fault, which is good for scum. if you are mafia and you kill someone who you know isn't on your team it's good no matter what. if you're town you need to think twice before doing anything crazy. @radfield this is all pretty cool with supersoft and jacuzzi and sinani. i just don't see why you think that these guys are scum. you are not arguing or anything, where does this come from? you can't have dt checked all of them. say you BB'd sinani, he claimed hider and you found a gun on him. shoot him. where do the rest of the guys slip up? i just don't like lynching without getting any information whatsoever. it's pretty cool that you lynched scum before but i really still think that you need to put forward some information. as half assed as palmar's meapak analysis was there was stuff in there to convince people, i think you're missing that here. @supersoft hider can be pro-town but then you need to hide behind people who do less analysis/work than you do, and you need to tell people that you hid behind them. who did you hide behind and why? who did you tell your hide-behind target? start talking @mig how do i fit wiggles medic target night1? after i told you i tried to pick dreamflower and you told me that you also knew that there was a dreamflower in the game i was virtually guaranteed to be town. why would you shoot me and not lynch me? there were tons of people calling out for my lynch but you decided on node instead. also town had like no kp i'm sure wiggles used his medic powers to protect someone who was likely to be shot by scum, which wasn't me. palmar was town and only he and a couple in rad+mig circle knew about my claim so i probably still appeared scummy to scum, but also to town. they'd hope that town would take care of me instead. i think that last lancaster is a player who appeared a lot more townie and a lot less scummy than i did to everybody day1. this fits jacuzzi, sandroba and kenpachi. kenpachi chose nkvd and that would be crazy for scum unless they have assassin and nothing looks like there's an assassin in this game so i doubt that he is scum. i also think that it fits scamp and to a certain extend wbg. sinani could just be afk but i agree that it's better to have him dead than to have a total null read coming with us further into this game. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 21 2011 04:51 prplhz wrote: @scamp there was absolutely no hesitation in your nuke to stop up and say "maybe decon was framed" or "are we to trust kenpachi on this?" i can only see scum benefiting from this. you can always just say "oh yea i thought kenpachi was telling the truth lets lynch him!". your rhetoric serves to justify that you are now killing somebody but that's not your fault, which is good for scum. if you are mafia and you kill someone who you know isn't on your team it's good no matter what. if you're town you need to think twice before doing anything crazy. @radfield this is all pretty cool with supersoft and jacuzzi and sinani. i just don't see why you think that these guys are scum. you are not arguing or anything, where does this come from? you can't have dt checked all of them. say you BB'd sinani, he claimed hider and you found a gun on him. shoot him. where do the rest of the guys slip up? i just don't like lynching without getting any information whatsoever. it's pretty cool that you lynched scum before but i really still think that you need to put forward some information. as half assed as palmar's meapak analysis was there was stuff in there to convince people, i think you're missing that here. @supersoft hider can be pro-town but then you need to hide behind people who do less analysis/work than you do, and you need to tell people that you hid behind them. who did you hide behind and why? who did you tell your hide-behind target? start talking @mig how do i fit wiggles medic target night1? after i told you i tried to pick dreamflower and you told me that you also knew that there was a dreamflower in the game i was virtually guaranteed to be town. why would you shoot me and not lynch me? there were tons of people calling out for my lynch but you decided on node instead. also town had like no kp i'm sure wiggles used his medic powers to protect someone who was likely to be shot by scum, which wasn't me. palmar was town and only he and a couple in rad+mig circle knew about my claim so i probably still appeared scummy to scum, but also to town. they'd hope that town would take care of me instead. i think that last lancaster is a player who appeared a lot more townie and a lot less scummy than i did to everybody day1. this fits jacuzzi, sandroba and kenpachi. kenpachi chose nkvd and that would be crazy for scum unless they have assassin and nothing looks like there's an assassin in this game so i doubt that he is scum. i also think that it fits scamp and to a certain extend wbg. sinani could just be afk but i agree that it's better to have him dead than to have a total null read coming with us further into this game. yeah, you're scum and you need to die. Scamp, nuke super. We can probably lynch this guy. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies. mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything. i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated. + wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results. if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
If foolish/jimbo were either tudor/york and we have eliminated 1 family then if we kill 2 scum today it ensures another one is gone. Prplhz and sandroba at least have somethings which could possibly make them town. Sinani and supersoft have done absolutely nothing to make me consider them town. Kill them they are our best chance of killing 2 scum today. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 21 2011 05:23 supersoft wrote: tbh i lost every interest in this game. i am not scum and hider is a decent defensive role at #18 i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies. mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything. i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated. + wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results. if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game. you have like five posts all game rofl Don't go all emotional appeal up in here when you have not had a hand in this game at all. If you actually did you'd know what I've been doing all game. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
mig rad syllo sandro is scum. i can even think of mig being scum. why would you ignore me. i also dont know anything about your decisions and thoughts. how can i support you like that. you werent even interested in my nighthidetarget. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 21 2011 05:33 supersoft wrote: and btw. i told several people that i am sure that one of you: mig rad syllo sandro is scum. i can even think of mig being scum. why would you ignore me. i also dont know anything about your decisions and thoughts. how can i support you like that. you werent even interested in my nighthidetarget. 1. We already know Erandorr is town 2. One of them is possibly scum but it's not Mig lol 3. Syllo died last night so I don't know why you still list him 4. That leaves Radfield/sandro and you'd know which one is more likely to be scum if you were actually playing this game. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
And what do you mean I am not even interested? I had to send you a pm asking you who you hid behind. And I have answered your pms I have not ignored you, that is bs. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On October 21 2011 05:23 supersoft wrote: tbh i lost every interest in this game. i am not scum and hider is a decent defensive role at #18 i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies. mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything. i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated. + wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results. if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game. ##Vote Supersoft appeal to emotion, not logic Only defense relys on dead players who can't back up his story attempting to softly redirect to wbg, instead of answering the questions or trying to actually contribute. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ttnjn.jpg) | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
i never claimed that hiding behind someone makes me town. and you didnt anwer at least one pm. wait ill look it up. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On October 21 2011 05:36 GreYMisT wrote: ##Vote Supersoft appeal to emotion, not logic Only defense relys on dead players who can't back up his story attempting to softly redirect to wbg, instead of answering the questions or trying to actually contribute. i am not pointing towards wbg. hes just retarded. there is no emotional apeal intended. my logic is simple. hider is a good townrole. i can confirm townies and i can avoid getting shot. i was #18 and i am not retarded like wbg and see confirmed townies in scum and the other way around. | ||
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