EPTIf Curu or anyone else is allowed to use that discrepancy to call someone scum how are we supposed to consider his vote?
I realize Kita said we're not allowed to discuss that but then now multiple players seem to agree it condemns palmar.
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If Curu or anyone else is allowed to use that discrepancy to call someone scum how are we supposed to consider his vote? I realize Kita said we're not allowed to discuss that but then now multiple players seem to agree it condemns palmar. :/ | ||
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If it is a slip then he's obv scum but if it wasn't then we just wasted 48 hours more or less | ||
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If Curu is gonna get modkilled can we get some clarification up in here? | ||
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In XLIV we debated whether Kurumi was scum thanks to that troll sandroba capitalizing all the yous in his role post. This kind of thing detracts from the point of the game IMO | ||
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No one seems to be willing to consider anyone else other than Palmar. If Palmar/Curu are getting modkilled we need to lynch someone else, like Jackal, but again no one is considering others ATM! I don't understand what I should be doing to "focus on the game" when there are no alternate lynches thanks to this bandwagon combined with stupid situation | ||
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Is this how it works? Lol. This is fucking retarded. @Mig: I think Palmar's claim is fishy. He claimed earlier that the first two lines of his PM started with "BLU" but the sample roles in the OP only do that for RED pyro, not BLU pyro (where RED pyro starts with 2 REDs) However since this is another thing discussing role PMs let me just conveniently wipe this from my mind and just focus on the game at hand. If I have to ignore all of that then I'm not willing to vote palmar because the bandwagon on him has built up too fast and no one can say anything except that he incorrectly used meta. If I'm missing something about why Palmar is mafia please nlighten me, otherwise I think Jackal is a better lynch cause I see more reasons for him to be scum. | ||
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On September 30 2011 04:30 Forumite wrote: I don´t care what they did or did not say about what their PMs said, I couldn´t care less, my reason to vote on Palmar was because of so many saying his analysis was based on false information and cherry-picking metagame. While him claiming BLU Pyro makes this a bit more confusing, if we can accept that whichever scumslip he posted was a mistake. Is it clear which scumslip he blames the case on him on? Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. | ||
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I haven't voted Palmar for two simple reasons, reasons I've stated multiple times already. I'll repeat them for you now just in case it hasn't been clear. 1. I think Jackal is the better lynch, since there are more things that Jackal has done to be scummy than Palmar. 2. The bandwagon on Palmar has built up way too quickly and literally no one is defending him. He's getting bussed day 1, then? I'm also reluctant to push him because there's only one reason anyone is citing for voting Palmar, and that is, he used meta incorrectly. I don't really agree that he's used meta incorrectly. Since I disagree with the sole non-game-mechanic related reason to lynch palmar I don't really care to vote him right now. Finally, I'm sorry you can't recognise sarcasm. I don't particularly care to get you lynched unless Palmar flips town. If palmar flips town then you are mafia to me because you push easy town lynches, particularly day 1, as mafia. If Palmar flips mafia then I consider Forumite to be as well. | ||
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Okay, so obviously one of the reasons is because I don't think Jackal plays like this day 1 as town. 2. He doesn't back up his suspicions with a vote. He says he's doing this to piss me off (lol) but in reality it just means he doesn't receive any attention because he's not contributing. Contribution involves discussion, and voting. Jackal is doing neither one of those. 3. He misconstrues OMGUS and claims I OMGUSed him. I clearly pointed out that you can't OMGUS someone who never voted for you, and he never actually even tries to refute this. Jackal isn't stupid like some of the other townies so I'd like to think he actually knows what OMGUS is. 4. He provides no input on anyone other than me. Clear lack of interest in contributing his opinion. This is not how he played in XLIV, SMG, MLP, or LoTR, all of which he was town and he contributed opinions, no matter how minimal, when asked. It follows his meta in resurrection where he just popped in now and then and said something irrelevant/dumb but was scared of Ace cause he looked third party. 5. He claimed to forget participation in a game in which he was alive for two days. 6. He has been inactive since people started voting me and Palmar. He has not said anything in this thread during the most active and important part of the day. with lynch two hours away his opinion/vote will come soon and none of us will be able to do anything about it till tomorrow. 7. I have asked if he has been in PM contact wit others, to establish whether Jackal is actually trying to contribute behind the scenes, but no one has come forth and said they have been in contact with him. This doesn't really help with his image of being relatively useless. | ||
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I'm seriously shocked no one in this town fucking knows what OMGUS is. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:15 Curu wrote: If I called you scum and pushed you hard with valid reasons but left my vote off you and you pushed back that I was scum, that is more OMGUS than me voting Palmar with a random vote at the start of the game and having him push me for it. I'm seriously shocked you actually think this is something scummy. Guess what, Jackal never had a valid reason to "FoS" me. If he had a valid reason, you know what he would've done? He would've VOTED me. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:16 Erandorr wrote: I am seriousy shocked that you care so much about that instead of posting something of value. Erandor don't be a hypocrite | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:18 Mig wrote: WBG the point is arguing about omgus doesn't matter. Some of your reasons for voting jackal are kind of ok but most are terrible and completely reaching. Do Jackal's posts seem that scummy to you? Most of his posts seem very reasonable to me. And honestly Palmar really hasn't tried that hard to survive. Palmar is a townie at heart if he were really a dt I would expect him to be fighting non stop against this lynch and prevent the town from making a massive mistake. Yes, Jackal's posts seem scummy to me. If they didn't I wouldn't be voting him. As for Palmar I've already said that I find things weird about him. His claim doesn't seem genuine to me and the mod business paints him as scum. I'm willing to consider him scum for those reasons but I'm willing to consider him town because he's receiving votes rather fast. I also disagree with him using meta incorrectly (I agree with his statement that Jackal's behaviour doesn't conform with his meta) He has 6 votes and is clearly in the lead. Lastly I've also discussed what I think we should after Palmar flips (with so little time I assume no one else can be lynched) If Palmar flips town then Curu needs to be lynched. If Palmar flips mafia then I think we should lynch Forumite and look at incog. In either case Jackal will remain scummy. From what I know Palmar busses a teammate and establishes townies as scum day 1 (he did it in SMG) to throw in a mix and stay unclear if he's lynched. That means we should consider all the players he's mentioned, and also any players who seemed reluctant to vote Palmar but ended up doing so by sheeping him under pressure anyway. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:20 Curu wrote: Yours/Palmar's reasons for pushing him in the first place are just as valid as his for pushing you. Why is him not voting for you such a big deal to you? What? How is Jackal's reason for pushing me relevant? Jackal pushed me because I was "making sense". That's a town tell, not a mafia tell, and it's possibly the worst reason I've ever seen anyone come up with for suspecting someone. Jackal has never been correct about alignment. Never. It doesn't look like he's going to be correct any time soon. | ||
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I already explained why we should lynch you if Palmar flips town. Your scum meta is pushing easy town lynches day 1 (if Palmar is town then it fits, he's definitely an easy lynch) for relatively weak reasons. IMO the reason for lynching Palmar is weak so if he flips town you're seeking mislynches. | ||
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I feel like all I'm doing is repeating myself to you, and I'm starting to lose my patience. Weak lynch: weak reasons, people voting the target without backing up their votes, the target getting bandwagoned by multiple people. There are only two people who have provided reasons for voting Palmar. You, and Mig. Everyone else has sheeped you two. Do you agree with this assessment? Lastly, you keep saying my reasons for voting Jackal are bullshit but you never say why. Why is Jackal a townie to you? What do you see that I don't? If I'm so stupid, please enlighten me about your friendly town Jackal. Also, please enlighten me on the definition of OMGUS. Afaik it's a reactionary vote based on no reasons other than being voted on in the first place. From my perspective my vote on Jackal isn't OMGUS cause he didn't vote me and I actually have legitimate reasons to vote him as opposed to just voting because he suspected/voted me. | ||
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This lynch is hilarious. | ||
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YOU ARE SCUM IF PALMAR FLIPS TOWN Jesus fucking Christ I said nothing about you being scum other than that | ||
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