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On September 15 2011 05:55 Erandorr wrote: wait im juts wondering , is there anyone in Lotr every drunk? i dont tihnk so ... all fucking pg 13 dude didn't they get drunk in the second movie? | ||
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On September 16 2011 08:48 GMarshal wrote: Now I *really* want to play :-( Damn school. GET IN THERE I am disappoint | ||
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what jcarl said. Except replace scum with nazgul. Hey we should get Nazgul to play in this. Curu PM him! | ||
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On September 16 2011 13:06 GreYMisT wrote: I will give 37 cool points to the first person who can use the phrase "one does not simply walk into mordor." in the context of an analysis after the day post tomorrow. | ||
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My sons, my residents of Middle Earth, Today, we all have a mission. We must destroy the evils that walk among us, and we must be united in doing so. They will use deception. They will use force. And they will not relent. We must be careful, otherwise we may be tricked. But, we cannot be complacent; we must fight. And fight we shall. On September 17 2011 09:26 Drazerk wrote: I actually had stated my reasons regarding the ring earlier I just didn't vote for you then. My brethren, I have only one thing to say to this: Liar. | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:33 Ciryandor wrote: Are you trying to derail the analysis and information here? What do you think of JeeJee? rofl analysis? All I want is the ring, man. Also, that can't be a serious question... | ||
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Yes. I am Sauron. | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:48 Jackal58 wrote: pfffff I already have 10 acres with electricity. If I get the ring, I shall give it to my most faithful servant. When the time has come. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:03 TranceStorm wrote: First, if the players in question cannot pass the ring, then the plan does not go into effect. A player only announces that they had the ring in the previous turn. If they can't pass it on, they stay silent and we are none the wiser. Second, given Radfield's argument that evil players probably don't have the mechanic to pass the ring (otherwise they would pass it amongst themselves), if we can get two successive passes, that would confirm at least one player. The danger of course is passing to a mafia player, but that probability initially is small. At any rate, I think it is pretty likely that the ring will worm into non-town hands (whether 3rd party or mafia) given that non-town players will constantly search and probe every turn. There's no way to comprehensively prevent them from getting the ring, therefore, why not get some benefit to it. Finally, another point that can be made is that the player who passes on the ring and reveals themselves can also reveal what the ring does. Given that every player already covets it, it would be nice to at least have that information. Give me the ring. Otherwise, this scum dies. ##vote TranceStorm | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TranceStorm has a bad plan. Big deal, hopefully he can be made to see the problem with it. The main problem is that this game is not about confirming townies using mechanics we don't understand the goal is to find and catch scum. Wherebugsgo I don't know your metagame but here's what I see. 1. begging for the ring in every post 2. vague allusions to why you want it 3. voting for TranceStorm and FOSing him with no reasons. You're playing absolutely detrimental to town. This is not pro-town play, it is not how we catch scum. It's how shit gets stirred and people always let bad scum like this slide (coag in countless games) because they figure "oh no way scum would act so brashly or bad". ##Vote wherebugsgo At the very least, if you aren't scum, you are a stellar example of how town players should never act Bitch please. I can make lists too. 1. Give me the ring. 2. I haven't alluded to why I want it. 3. TranceStorm is scum, it's obvious enough. I don't need to provide reasons when he sets himself up as he's already done. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:25 Ciryandor wrote: Are you saying that his activity is a good reason why he should be a policy lynch, for being detrimental to village planning and strategy? I sort of agree, but TranceStorm's strategy only means that it exposes townies, because it's easy enough for a scum who cannot wield the ring's power to its full extent to be deprived of it by or pass it to a bigger scum who can actually make use of it if the initial ring-bearer throws it to them, which would blow the whole tactic out of the water. Also, it could have negative repercussions by allowing a nominally cleared scum player to actually take out townies from within. This guy is scum/dumb too | ||
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On September 17 2011 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You aren't impressing me Not like you're doing anything either doc + Show Spoiler + give me the ring | ||
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Give me the ring and I'll find scum for you. | ||
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On September 17 2011 16:52 syllogism wrote: Even if you really are gollum, you are going to get vigied/lynched if you keep that up. No player gets an exemption from scum hunting. Nah, both would be a waste. Who says I'm not scumhunting? On September 17 2011 17:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: does your role require you to shitpost or is it just something you do for fun I think the answer to that one is obvious. On September 17 2011 18:23 Drazerk wrote: Find scum and we will give you the ring. Not the other way around. I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm. On September 17 2011 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, exactly my thoughts. What are you going to accomplish with that attitude WBG? Wtf kind of stupid question is that? Obviously I want the ring, what else should I say? [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 13:37 chaos13 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote: Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. [/quote] They definitely should be.[/QUOTE] As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself.[/quote] This guy is good. Real good. + Show Spoiler + gimme the ring bitch [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players.[/QUOTE] WAIT WHAT LOL [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 19:29 syllogism wrote: WBG what is your win con[/QUOTE] Why do you guys keep asking obvious questions? [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: No more discussion of the Ring. It's just leading us to the same conversations that we have already covered and is providing a great atmosphere that scum can hide in without having to talk about anything else. It's good to see that we're moving more into player analysis. [/quote] NO. Party pooper. [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: wherebugsgo - Jester or Village Idiot is my immediate thought. There is no way he is this bad.[/quote] I read this, then read the name at the top of the post and laughed. [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 00:16 Radfield wrote: [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 00:00 chaos13 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 23:57 Jackal58 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 23:30 Jackal58 wrote: What would you like me to say? The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? There I said it. The only thing I saw comment worthy was Bug's request for the ring. He has since claimed to be Sauron and Gollem. But you guys want to keep speculating on the mechanics of the ring. [/QUOTE] So comment on something else. There are enough posts by this point that you can generate some productive discussion by scumhunting and analyzing. We've got at least ten pages of constant posting, so go through that and find some scum instead of complaining when you are rightfully called out for not contributing.[/QUOTE] Read what I just posted. Or do you require me to say: WTF IS UP WITH BUGS??????? Discuss. [/QUOTE] Already discussed it. VI or Jester. Agree?[/QUOTE] Disagree. There's no need to be so blatant as a VI. Perhaps he just wants the ring.... either way though, he's shown himself to be active and contributory in his past few games. Either he picks it up or he doesn't, but we're not lynching based on him spamming about the ring. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote: Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymist asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason. And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1. These are foolish reasons to be voting for a player. It's far more often townies who make posts like that than it is mafia. You both know better than that. I don't understand the hostility for Trancestorm. [/QUOTE] You've been stalking me! [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: If you do have a post restriction, take a look at personality mafia and how detrimental they were to town. Even if you do have a restriction, doesn't mean you get a free pass to be useless and not contribute.[/QUOTE] I'm not useless. I'm more use than half the town has been so far. Started discussion, no? Can't be a bad thing. [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 02:14 Drazerk wrote: Posting restrictions are definitely in place. As for me jumping on the gray bandwagon I actually pointed out the ring rubbish before Choaser but I am currently leaning on WBG being the more likely scum member now. Ill be gone for the next couple of hours so sorry about any sort of inactivity.[/QUOTE] THIS GUY IS SCUM. He thinks, "wherebugsgo has a posting restriction"=he must be scum. Hey genius, guess what, I'm not scum just because I have a posting restriction. I voted TranceStorm because he had a terrible anti-town plan (which was super obvious when reading his posts) but your vote reason on me is even worse than mine. I figured people would pick up on my bad vote, which would lead to worse votes on me. This guy here is trying to get town cred by saying he pointed out the "ring rubbish" before Chaoser, then admitting he jumped on the greymist bandwagon, then finally saying I'm suddenly leaning more scum when I haven't posted anything (due to being asleep). His vote on me is almost entirely based on the fact that I have a posting restriction. ##unvote ##vote Drazerk. I also want to call attention to heist's post, he was accusatory of Navillus having done "the most scummy thing" in the game so far yet he didn't even vote him. | ||
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On September 17 2011 16:52 syllogism wrote: Even if you really are gollum, you are going to get vigied/lynched if you keep that up. No player gets an exemption from scum hunting. Nah, both would be a waste. Who says I'm not scumhunting? On September 17 2011 17:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: does your role require you to shitpost or is it just something you do for fun I think the answer to that one is obvious. On September 17 2011 18:23 Drazerk wrote: Find scum and we will give you the ring. Not the other way around. I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm. On September 17 2011 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, exactly my thoughts. What are you going to accomplish with that attitude WBG? Wtf kind of stupid question is that? Obviously I want the ring, what else should I say? On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. This guy is good. Real good. + Show Spoiler + gimme the ring bitch On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. WAIT WHAT LOL On September 17 2011 19:29 syllogism wrote: WBG what is your win con Why do you guys keep asking obvious questions? On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: No more discussion of the Ring. It's just leading us to the same conversations that we have already covered and is providing a great atmosphere that scum can hide in without having to talk about anything else. It's good to see that we're moving more into player analysis. NO. Party pooper. On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: wherebugsgo - Jester or Village Idiot is my immediate thought. There is no way he is this bad. I read this, then read the name at the top of the post and laughed. On September 18 2011 00:16 Radfield wrote: Disagree. There's no need to be so blatant as a VI. Perhaps he just wants the ring.... either way though, he's shown himself to be active and contributory in his past few games. Either he picks it up or he doesn't, but we're not lynching based on him spamming about the ring. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote: Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymist asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason. And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1. These are foolish reasons to be voting for a player. It's far more often townies who make posts like that than it is mafia. You both know better than that. I don't understand the hostility for Trancestorm. You've been stalking me! On September 18 2011 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: If you do have a post restriction, take a look at personality mafia and how detrimental they were to town. Even if you do have a restriction, doesn't mean you get a free pass to be useless and not contribute. I'm not useless. I'm more use than half the town has been so far. Started discussion, no? Can't be a bad thing. On September 18 2011 02:14 Drazerk wrote: Posting restrictions are definitely in place. As for me jumping on the gray bandwagon I actually pointed out the ring rubbish before Choaser but I am currently leaning on WBG being the more likely scum member now. Ill be gone for the next couple of hours so sorry about any sort of inactivity. THIS GUY IS SCUM. He thinks, "wherebugsgo has a posting restriction"=he must be scum. Hey genius, guess what, I'm not scum just because I have a posting restriction. I voted TranceStorm because he had a terrible anti-town plan (which was super obvious when reading his posts) but your vote reason on me is even worse than mine. I figured people would pick up on my bad vote, which would lead to worse votes on me. This guy here is trying to get town cred by saying he pointed out the "ring rubbish" before Chaoser, then admitting he jumped on the greymist bandwagon, then finally saying I'm suddenly leaning more scum when I haven't posted anything (due to being asleep). His vote on me is almost entirely based on the fact that I have a posting restriction. ##unvote ##vote Drazerk. I also want to call attention to heist's post, he was accusatory of Navillus having done "the most scummy thing" in the game so far yet he didn't even vote him. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Drazerk never said that you're scum because you have posting restrictions. You aren't making any sense and now that you're getting "pressure" to scumhunt you're showing the worst case of scumhunting I've ever seen. "TranceStorm is scum TranceStorm is scum Trancestorm is scum" is not scumhunting. Neither are OMGUS votes based on bad misunderstandings of what another player is saying. You said your first vote/reasons were bad. Yet in that same post you say " I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm." That's some big confidence for a "bad" vote. Cut the bullshit. It's obvious that what ever you are, you're not here to help us. Honestly on Day 1 I'd be more content lynching a pretty sure SK/Third Party player than some gut scum read that is probably wrong and end up killing some VT or power role that is actually helping us. As far as your posting all you are is an annoyance and a distraction. Are you fucking kidding? Drazerk didn't say anything about me being scum other than "leaning" scum on me. In the same post he says there are "definitely posting restrictions" when participating in a conversation about me talking about the ring in posts I make. Drazerk is scummy. I also think TranceStorm is scummy, I don't think my vote reason was bad, I just didn't explicitly state my vote reason. I wanted it to appear "bad" to promote discussion (which I did, no?) | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You specifically said this. Drazerk never even once implied that you having a posting restriction makes you scum. So no, I'm not kidding my point still stands. He never said or implied it was scummy. Sorry. This entire quoted attack on Drazerk is based on a bad misunderstanding. You didn't say anything about TranceStorm being scum other than he was scum and that was it. It wasn't until way later that you explained your vote (giving us all of one sentence of justification). If that's your basis for voting Drazerk, perhaps you should vote for yourself. Oh I see you're playing bad on purpose to "promote discussion" i.e draw all attention to yourself and make the whole day 1 discussion worthless. Very good town play, bravo. Why don't you tell me Drazerk's motivation for voting for me, then? Why did he mention the posting restrictions in the context of his vote on me? Why did he sheep Chaoser? You seem to know all about Drazerk. Go ahead and tell us. And yes, I did say that my vote reason was bad, because that was the way I intended it to appear. I have reasons for voting him, I don't have to state everything and put it out on a silver platter for you. This is the same reason why I'm not going to tell anyone why I want the ring. If you guys decide to give me the ring, fine, if you don't, you're just hurting yourselves. Of course, I might actually have to put everything on a nice silver platter, since most townies are usually extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning. | ||
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On September 18 2011 06:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not gonna fight with you on this. I'm not saying people shouldn't press who they think is scum. But when there is one overwhelming bandwagon against an obvious mafia we shouldn't go out of our way to split it since that's what the mafia wants. I'm not advocating analyzing/voting for only one player a day. That's silly. There is usually only a single bandwagon when something like a major scum slip/red DT check/really good analysis comes up on a player and that's exactly what should happen in that case. Maybe there is just a misunderstanding between us but I think having (in a vacuum) a split wagon between two players is the ideal situation for scum. You're pretty good at jumping to conclusions. He mentioned it because it was what we were talking about. Other people were speculating about whether or not you have a posting restriction and he is coming out and saying you probably do. He never connected it to his vote for you or his reasons for thinking you're scum. I'm not Drazerk I don't know why he voted for you. Stop being obnoxious I never said I knew anything about his reasons or what he's thinking I'm just saying your basis for attacking him is flawed. You have no reason to be this defensive unless you're guilty of something, slow to understand basic logic, or intent on being as annoying as possible in this game. I've decided you're a clown and I'm not wasting anymore discussion talking to you about this. Come up with something good enough to reply to and I'll think about it. You're just noise. You're also pretty good at soft defending him, not to mention doing the same things you're accusing me of doing. You accuse me of being overly defensive. Way to jump to conclusions (eyeroll) I'm not voting Drazerk in defense. Until Drazerk explains himself or I find someone else who I think is a better lynch today I'm leaving my vote on him. | ||
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If I'm a weak lynch target, and I've purposely drawn a lot of attention to myself, then why would Drazerk bother voting me? Think about it. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective for him to vote me. He's not contributing anything by voting me. He's not contributed anything yet, in fact. I'd also like to point out that there are several players who have not even posted yet. Sandroba we already have a reason for, but Palmar is completely absent. Erandorr as well. No matter how stupid/scummy you think I am for wanting the ring we need to get these people to post so we don't have to fuck around with lurkers who end up boning us from behind by day 2 or 3. If you're not willing to encourage discussion and you'd rather just ignore these players too then I have to question your motives. | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: explains what you didn't even make a case on him why he voted me. | ||
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Also I find it really funny that both Erandor and Palmar posted ONCE very shortly after I called them out on inactivity. I will be back in several hours, I have a thing to go to tonight. If I don't have the ring...well, can't say I won't be surprised. | ||
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The following post is well-reasoned and should be listened to: On September 18 2011 11:45 kitaman27 wrote: There are far too many people that are getting away with posting the minimum or nothing at all. Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor Pyo has nothing of interest If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away. As I said earlier and as Kitaman has nailed pretty well, we absolutely need to encourage the lurkers to participate. If they don't participate, or we let them get away with stupid shit (more on this later) then we are just hurting ourselves. We cannot let mafia blend in, and we need to identify when someone is trying to blend in, to identify them as scum. I will give you all two examples of this right now: On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on. Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas. We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts. He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters. So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom. ##Push GGQ into the fire Firstly, this guy is saying absolutely nothing with this entire post. He says there are so many people yelling at each other, that it's hard to read what's going on. He insinuates that there is a lot of confusion and noise, yet he adds to this by splitting the vote even further and throwing a shitty vote on a person who so far has not done anything scummy (as far as I can tell.) The worst part is that there are no specifics in this post. To clarify: On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas. wat so, he says there are "many plans and ideas, some good some bad." Way to go sherlock, either the plan is good or it's bad. You've really told us a lot there. What the fuck is that supposed to contribute? What's specifically good about these "good plans"? Who made them? What about the bad plans? The only thing he alludes to is that he thinks people like me and Trance are probably fine and just giving bad ideas. Well, the only idea I've pushed is giving me the ring. Trance is receiving votes, if Archon is scum then it totally makes sense for him to soft defend him here. And "all the guys" talking like us are fine. Whoa, so if someone makes a plan they're autoconfirmed town? Wtf? God this makes no sense whatsoever. On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts. He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters. So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom. ##Push GGQ into the fire Yeah hey guess what genius, you were lurking until now too, AFTER you were called out on your shitty posting record. I'm pretty sure you're just throwing a random vote out there and feigning analysis so you don't get a shitstorm for not posting and not contributing anything. This isn't even a real vote! Our last example is this: On September 18 2011 15:48 Pyo wrote: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH. | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:08 iGrok wrote: This is pretty much why I voted for him. I want to see what his role does, and he's not acting at all like he did in Resurrection or... XL, was it? one of the normals where he beast-moded the game Wtf you voted me? It's not in this thread o_O | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:31 iGrok wrote: At this point, I feel like you're 3rd party. And you aren't scumhunting at all. So... no. Don't discredit me without actually reading my posts. | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:46 iGrok wrote: I'll do whatever I want (though I did read your posts). You've given us no reason to trust anything you say. I can't say much for you when you ninja voted me. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:07 iGrok wrote: What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information. I'm all for lynching scum, but I highly doubt we hit scum today. There's no good candidates yet. That being said, upon rereading I have no idea why I was suspicious of Drazerk. Chalk that up to an awful hangover. I'll try to work up something better soon[/QUOTE] This failed pretty hard. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:07 iGrok wrote: What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information. I'm all for lynching scum, but I highly doubt we hit scum today. There's no good candidates yet. That being said, upon rereading I have no idea why I was suspicious of Drazerk. Chalk that up to an awful hangover. I'll try to work up something better soon This failed pretty hard. | ||
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For those who care, Jackal's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=124528 | ||
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I asked for the ring relentlessly. People thought that was scummy. Look at the bandwagon on me right now. Then, look at Jackal's votepost on me. He says it's a good idea to give me the ring, because he doubts the game will end if I get it, but wants to lynch me anyway. That's a pro mafia stance. If I get the ring and get lynched, the ring is randomly sent to one of the voters. If the majority of the voters are scum then they get a better chance of getting the ring. Between Dr H, Jackal, Pyo, iGrok, and Drazerk, I'd bet we can find at least 3 scum. (these are the current voters on me) You can also easily make a case against any one of these players. Filter them all if you don't believe me. | ||
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Also, for those who have actually been reading my posts you'd see that I've claimed both gollum and Sauron so you can't really say I'm third party. A few people have actually pointed out the correct read that was based on my behavior (I don't remember who but someone nailed it on the head) | ||
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On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. This post establishes a scum agenda. Lynch me, give me the ring though, but lynch me. Jackal clearly has not read the OP, or is being misleading. He's made some dumb moves as town before but I don't think he'd suggest such a thing unless he was mafia. If I get the ring and then get lynched, the ring gets passed to one of my voters. This is a scum agenda at its finest. You can see that it's true because by looking at the voter list you see that every single person who is voting for me has shady intentions. If you don't believe in my innocence yet, stop looking at WHAT I've done and look at HOW I've done it. I went crazy on about the ring for a bit of time, sure. I have my reasons for doing that and I don't have to explain those reasons to any of you unless I actually want to (and at this point, I don't want to) but if you're actually looking at my behavior you know that voting me is a stupid idea. | ||
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It should be fairly obvious that I'm an easy lynch for mafia. I'm not scum. ##unvote Archon_Toilet ##vote Jackal58 I suggest we look at Archon_Toilet, Dr. H, and Drazerk more carefully, particularly after the lynch. None of them have contributed anything; all the voters on me have feigned contribution by essentially voting me and saying nothing else. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:31 Pyo wrote: That makes no sense... in a situation where votes are scattered all over the place, why would scum put 3 onto the same person. Additionally, if scum really wanted you dead, they'd kill you at night – with split votes like we have it should be really easy for them push for the lynch of someone they know to be town. You're also misconstruing what Jackal said – he said we should get rid of you either by lynching you or if that fails by giving you the ring. Paraphrasing what people say to alter their meaning is incredibly scummy. My vote stays on you. Of course it makes sense, scum want a mislynch. Scum doesn't want me dead at night because they can get me lynched instead! I'm an easy lynch. Use your brain if you're actually town. | ||
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So...reading comprehension fail much? | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:40 Pyo wrote: Huh? what? you can seriously consider that to the sort of analysis that you expect from people... How in the world does Archon_toilet's nonsensical tunneling of GGQ "blend in"? He also misconstrues what I said in his "analysis" of me... Basically, his big huge long analysis was a load of crap. Factor in the timing of his post (after he started drawing serious attention and was accused of being spammy), it's clear that he felt pressured to give the appearance of "being helpful to town" when in fact he's just continuing to say nonsensical things. k, this guy is just dumb town, he's not scum. Can you point out what I'm saying that has been nonsensical? Can you deny that almost everyone who has voted me has completely ignored everything else going on in the game? Can you point out what parts of my contribution are feigned? Did you even read my "big huge long analysis" (hint, it wasn't actually that long) | ||
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I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:48 Pyo wrote: Jackal said "Lynch him OR give him the ring." It's pretty clear what Jackal meant and it wasn't what you claimed it to be. This post: is an example of why doing what WBG is doing is bad. People aren't reading the post to generate their own impressions, they read "analysis posts" and take the "analysis" at face value. That is how scum manipulate town into believing what they want you to... It's how chaoser got away with that bullshit DT claim in XLIV, for example. First of all, no one knows who has the ring. So, if Jackal is suggesting someone give me the ring and I live, no one knows whether I've been given the ring or not. I could have it right now and you wouldn't know. Then, lynching me will disperse the ring among all my voters. Jackal is basically advocating both things at once. He's basically suggesting to give me the ring. If I don't die before lynch he's telling everyone to lynch me. That doesn't consider the possibility that I get the ring and live to lynch. Thus, it's a scum proposal. | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:37 Jackal58 wrote: Well sorry for giving you credit as some one I took to be a good player then. You played scummy as town in Aces game and lost it for us. And no I never said we should give you the ring AND lynch you. AND and OR are two completely different words with different meanings. I still stand by my statement. Who ever has the ring give it to him and get him out of here. He's playing for his own reasons. He doesn't give a shit about town. If he doesn't get it lynch him. He's useless. I did not lose it for town in Ace's game. I fucking protted a vig from a shot, then I role blocked the scum vig. You relied too much on your DT power which failed you miserably when you weren't willing to listen to reason. I even gave you a massive lead on Palmar, but you blew it because you relied on being a DT too much. Try to think your reads out rather than blame people. You need to listen to reason now. And since you're not reasoning, I suspect you're mafia. Finally, you haven't read the OP. No one can give me the ring right now! I've trapped all of you shitty posters with this, no one can give me the ring till night. So, fuck off and die. I missed the fucking vote. God fucking damn. You guys should've voted Jackal, the case on Erandor was terrible. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: -_- I'm derping hard. I don't quite understand why he's mad he missed the vote...Unless I'm missing something. I was gone for 4 hours, I was out of the house. I missed a bunch of stuff, and I'm mad because the case on Erandor was stupid as hell and I felt like I could've done something to potentially stop it if I was actually here. | ||
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I've read most of the posts that were made while I was gone and it's not really making sense to me. | ||
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Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H. Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much. Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote: What case? Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Or the one where I'm supposed to be some sort of mafia messiah and I haven't delivered you to the promised land yet? Mig convinced me to stay btw. <3 The one that involves you telling people to give me the ring day 1 (when it's outlined in the OP that the ring may only pass hands at night) and also to lynch me at the same time, coupled with the fact that there were likely multiple scum on my wagon, meaning if I were to receive the ring (and not die) and then be lynched the ring would be sent to one of my voters. AKA scum. That case. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't understand. Are you saying scum voted for you because they thought someone would give you the ring so they could get the ring when you got lynched and thats why me and drazerk voted for you No, I'm saying scum were already voting me. Jackal tried making up a reason to vote me and it failed pretty hard. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:35 Jackal58 wrote: I just think we're all better off without you and the ring in the game. Yeah, since giving me the ring definitely takes both of us out, right? If you truly believed that why did you want me to get lynched? Not to mention, why didn't you read the OP about the ring being untransferable during the day? | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:34 Radfield wrote: You tell us iGrok. Who's the scummiest on that list? You seem to have decided not to answer your own question. By the way, I found someone to add to your list: iGrok - suspicious of Drazerk, oops not suspicious of Drazerk anymore. Wants to lynch WBG to see what his role does. Contributes absolutely nothing to the eradorr/prp lynch discussion. Makes a list of a seemingly random segment of players Who's the scummiest person on your list now? I like how one of the biggest lynch targets of yesterday, Jackal, is conveniently missing from that list of his. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:50 Radfield wrote: Shit, it's the vote list.... that makes so much more sense.... LOL that makes two of us who completely missed that | ||
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On September 19 2011 11:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote: From what I've read, he's saying that mafia were trying to bandwagon him to get the ring, and Jackal delivered the plan. (I asked him to clarify if this is wrong) From this, he extrapolates that Jackal is mafia, and the people voting for him are mafia. And I told you that assessment is wrong. Mafia were already voting for me. Jackal voted me, and part of his vote post included giving me the ring. Thus, I concluded that they could force a mislynch and at the same time get the ring distributed among the voters, a majority of whom were probably mafia. It wasn't premeditated, I just think Jackal scum slipped. | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To clarify all I'm saying is we should never artificially split bandwagons. If someone is obviously scum and everyone is content with that there is no reason to split the bandwagon. That helps mafia. Usually singular bandwagons form naturally because a player is obviously anti-town and that's a good thing. Tunneling can be a good thing. I would never advocate singling exactly one player out for the entirety of voting/discussion every day and I never did. Huge misunderstanding. Of course there should be multiple lynch candidates. All I'm saying LITERALLY ALL IM SAYING is that when the entire town jumps onto one target this isn't necessarily a bad thing. And a pure exact 50/50 bandwagon is a good thing for mafia because they can split votes and ALWAYS ensure the innocent player is the one who gets lynched. Also I never said we should wait for 100% scum. I would rather lynch SK if there are literally no convincing scum reads. However like I said (never used the term 100%) I would definitely vote for someone I thought was mafia over someone I though was SK but on Day 1, as it is, there is no one I have a strong read for (and I have a lot o freading to catch up on and my mind will probably change). Also I think there is still a pretty strong chance WBG is mafia because his earlier behavior was considerably scummy and from the environment we have he would have known he could get away with posting like that. Lots of scum have done worse. I have absolutely no reason to believe WBG can't be scum. Please stop misrepresenting me and twisting my thoughts and words If this is not clear now, I'll try to make it a little more clear when I have computer access. I still think Dr. Helvetica is scum. He says he has no scum reads and if he found a better scum read than me he'd be willing to vote him. He insinuates this throughout the post as if the assumption is that I'm an SK. He later contradicts himself by keeping his vote on me despite saying other people look like scum to him (Erandor, supersoft). He considers me scum despite the majority of his posts about me acting as if I'm third party. So if I'm not scum and Erandor/super were more scummy then why did Dr. H keep his vote on me? Lastly, he claims that he never advocated exclusively singling out one person. Yet, that's almost exactly what he did with me. It's clear all of the other players he mentioned were never serious lynch targets to him because he spent no time actually making his own thoughts about them. For the most part, he was regurgitating other players' existing thoughts (e.g. chaos13's thoughts about super) and he never backed up any of those various accusations. For the most part, Dr. H chose the easy lynch yesterday. He probably stayed away from the Erandor bandwagon despite saying he found him scummy in order to gain some towncred (IMO) | ||
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On September 19 2011 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Erandor and supersoft had marginally good cases against them but played less scummily than you. You're either SK or scum and I never implied you couldn't be scum so honestly i don't even see you rpoint What's the case against me? I asked for the ring? lol. | ||
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Going on that it didn't matter what you said. The manner in which you said things about me implied you had assumed I was a serial killer. By your own logic, it would then make no sense to vote me day 1 when both super and Erandor appeared scummy to you. | ||
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On September 19 2011 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: antagonistic/rude trying to get under peoples skin almost purely defensive play focusing only on people who criticized or voted for you everyone discounting the possibility you're scum begging for ring day 1 and spamming spam im done go read my posts ive said enough about you im not gonna keep repeating myself 1. Nope, asking questions =/= being antagonizing. Never once did you cite this as a reason for voting me anyway. 2. Purely defensive play eh? Is that why I voted TranceStorm? Is that why I thought the prplhz wagon was bad? Plus, aren't you the one who made a huge post about people "misconstruing" your intentions and posts? How can you accuse me of being "overly defensive" in that case? And again, you never cited this as a reason for voting me (until now) 3. So if everyone discounted the possibility of me being scum...that makes me scum? Lol. How on Earth do you think this is a good reason for voting someone? 4. Begging for the ring. Oh we got to it! This is actually the only reason you voted for me. Funny it appears last in this list of yours, no? You know what's funny though? Asking for the ring was pretty much the sole reason you voted for Greymist too! Talk about a coincidence...your only focus the entire day was who asked for the ring, whether or not it seemed like a joke. | ||
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On September 19 2011 13:25 sandroba wrote: Yo WBG man, talk to me. Are you really 3rd party, and was that claim for real? Why are you putting so much effort into scum hunting if your only goal is to find the ring? I don't really understand your play so far. You know what's funny, except for the part where you claim 3rd party you are actually one of my strongest town reads atm. Also I believe Cyrandor claimed some interesting tidbits about prplhz and no one seemed to give a shit. Chaoser wtf man? Why didn't you look more into cyrandor's claim if prplhz was your main suspicion day1? Do you really think 2 mafia would tie themselves to each other day1 this easy? ON and GGQ need to post more. These guys have the annoying habbit of lurking as both alignments so I never feel safe lynching them when they go into hardcore lurker mode. Could you please commit a bit more time this game so I can burn you alive if you are scum? Palmar, you too man. Just because you roll scum 20x doesn't mean you are going to fool me by statistics again =P I think you understand my play better than you think you do. I want to know though, what do you think of Dr. Helvetica, Jackal, and Drazerk? | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:42 Ciryandor wrote: Errandor you derp. I may die tonight... what is this? | ||
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On September 19 2011 21:44 syllogism wrote: I can't quite reconcile these statements with the fact you left your vote on WBG. Care to clarify? Did you just became more certain about WBG being scum/mafia somewhere along the way? Why? What do you think about the possibility of WBG being a third party who isn't a serial killer? Thank god someone else noticed this. The whole point of me calling out Dr. H was to expose this contradiction. He said he had no scum reads, then said Erandor is probably scum and didn't vote him despite saying he would vote someone other than me once he actually had scum reads. Somewhere in there he magically goes from me bein third party to being scum solely because no one else thinks I am scum. | ||
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On September 20 2011 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Looking over Radfields case, it wasn't as strong as had really thought at first glance. That was a pretty bad kneejerk reaction. I think WBG is mafia or SK. WBG is playing pretty arrogantly. He thinks I can't possibly have another reason for voting for him other than he "asked for the ring" (i provided several others, whatever) and I think he's SK or Mafia. It's very possible he is non-sk third party or even town. Unfortunately I don't have DT powers, I can't check. What reason do I have as mafia to tunnel a useless and obnoxious player like WBG when I can take the easy bandwagon on Errandor or Prplhz (who was accusing me anyway) ? Yeah, I know it's WIFOM but if I'm really about to get bandwagoned for making the "wrong vote" then I don't know what to say other than TL Towns really are getting worse. Firstly your argument makes the assumption that I'm third party or mafia solely on the fact that I asked for the ring. I even pointed out how you voted Greymist for precisely the same reason even though it was completely obvious Greymist's request was just a joke. Your entire argument against me is that I could be mafia or SK. You don't even for a second consider that I could be town, and your arguments yesterday were certainly self contradictory. Syllogism has also pointed that out. Then you appeal to emotion and say I'm arrogant. Dude, look at your own play. You've contradicted yourself and you had a terrible reason for voting me. Multiple people reasoned well yesterday and straight up said I was a bad lynch but you didn't heed them. Who's more arrogant between us when it's apparent you haven't been listening to anyone else? And before I get another backlash from you, this is not a personal attack. This is a GAME. if you can't understand that what I do here is simply within the confines of a forum game, I don't know what to say to you. I responded to your tunnelling of me (speaks volumes to the other contradiction you made, that you wouldn't solely focus on one target) by grasping onto your own logical contradictions. You can'f blame me of that regardless of my alignment. My aim is to catch scum and if you're making logical inconsistencies in your play I'm going to defend myself against what I perceive to be an illogical attack. And, of course, I'm going to point out those inconsistencies in the thread to establish my opinion that I think you are scum. If that's arrogance and you guys don't want me to play, I'll replace out. | ||
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On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them. Was this post serious? Surprised no one caught it. | ||
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He needs to post more and it's really unlike him to be staying away like this. | ||
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On September 20 2011 04:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No, it was an excuse to put it off because I don't actually have them written up. Since you want my thoughts, I'm going to give basic versions for now. My current plan is to write something up on TranceStorm come day 2, and possibly other people involved in swinging the vote to someone none of us would have considered at the time I last posted on day 1. I believe one of you/prphlz/DrH is scum, but I'm not sure which, and I'm leaning towards checking you first because you changed your vote the most, possibly looking for bandwagons, but the list of people that swung the vote seems more relevant to me. IMO You get on the right track toward the end but it's bad to assume things. Think about the justifications for your assumptions and see if they're valid. What reason is there for assuming only one of us 3 could be scum? Could we all be scum? Could there be two of us as scum? Could we all NOT be scum? If you make an incorrect assumption and base the rest of your argument around it your argument will look okay, but it'll be really wrong. Mafia, in addition, will jump all over it and make you a target. Unless, ofc, you're scum, in which case I'm want to believe that you actually have no valid opinions. | ||
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On September 20 2011 05:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: That was a summary of my current beliefs, it's not to say I'm not open to suggestion, and the relation to you three and the swung vote is something I plan on looking into further. Rest assured that you aren't really my primary focus at the moment WBG. I'm willing to chalk the multiple votes up to your huge amount of activity and the voting insecurities that come with Day 1, and you've been much more active than many of the people who swung the vote, added to the fact that you didn't end with a vote on Errandor. As an aside, it comes across that you feel the need to discredit everybody. I maybe looking at it the wrong way and be wrong about that, but either way, I'd like to remind you. One does not simply discredit into Mordor. + Show Spoiler + OH YEAH 37 COOL POINTS! Au contraire I believe I have pointed out that there are people in this town who have been posting fairly logically. Examples that come to mind are Radfield (though his read was wrong) sandroba, to some extent Syllogism, and jcarl. People who aren't making sense but probably town: Pyo, TranceStorm People who I think are scum: Dr. H, Jackal, Drazerk. Possibly a couple others as well but I will not reveal those names yet. The vast majority of the other players fall into some sort of null/fenceish category | ||
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On September 20 2011 05:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote: EBWOP: that was supposed to be discredit everybody who speaks of you in a negative light There's a specific reason for this. It's actually not terribly hard to figure out, either. | ||
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On September 20 2011 05:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Yeah I just really wanted to be the first to use the Mordor line more than anything, it's not actually that accurate. It was a recent impression that I realised was wrong from your filter. hence all the looking at it wrong way buisness. Survival instinct, and I'd love to continue talking about it but it seems like it would sidetrack the scum hunt. What makes you think TraceStorm might be town? Trancestorm is town IMO because of the way he posts. He responds to a lot of things and it appears he puts in more genuine effort than most other players in this game. In addition his plan wrt to the ring was bad but it actually promoted discussion. After I pushed him a little and he posted more I saw less and less to suggest that he's scum. Is he for sure town? Certainly we don't know anything yet, but there are better focuses today. Also, bolded is wrong. Any town players reading this should ask why I would ask for the ring. If you can understand my behavior from my POV then you will see why I was concerned with the easy lynch wagon on me (and the players I found to be scummiest who had left their votes there) | ||
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On September 20 2011 07:34 Radfield wrote: JEEJEE I see what you're doing, BUT YOU HAVE TO POST MORE TO NOT GET MODKILLED. You need to post 2 or 3 times this cycle. wat On September 20 2011 07:34 Radfield wrote: You're playing fine, don't sub out, just settle down a bit. Reading your posts it feels like you're jumping up and down in your seat while typing. To be completely honest with you I'm actually fairly bored. Activity level was great during a time I couldn't be at the computer (last four hours of day or so?) but when discussion is slow, like now, I get bothered. On September 20 2011 07:34 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced.. However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player. Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield. Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of: + Show Spoiler + hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. filter Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads. I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes. These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them. We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly. When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing. Lastly (for now): You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do. Erandorr was a fine lynch. Everyone seems to be coming out of the woodworks right now softballing suspicion on me, but it's awful easy to shout that after the lynch. You didn't feel confident enough to argue against it because you thought there was a decent chance he would flip scum, same as me. As far as Day 1 votes go, he was the best I had to offer, and better in my opinion than prp and much better than WBG. You're attempted linking of me to a non-contributing player is noted. Particularly after he blatantly buddy-buddied me. If I flip town tonight is that supposed to give Palmar townie cred? However you do have some good points. The bandwagon on Erandorr grew incredibly quick, and if prp does flip red, that gives us a ton of info. Frankly I screwed up yesterday. Not about lynching Erandorr, but about the timing. I thought Day was ending several hours later than it did, and forgot that it had been pushed up by 2-3 hours. 8 votes in 2 hours is exceptionally swift. This is the cause of 1 of 2 things: A good Day 1 case when there are no others(possible), or, a swing from a scum lynch to a town lynch(also possible). Frankly the whole Erandorr voting list is filled with players who look bad: Palmar has done nothing, Syllo On and stffc look scummy. Vain and Kita I don't know right now, but will look into if I'm still alive in 40 minutes. I have much more to say but have to run. My post isn't supposed to end here, but I have to go. Will be back in a couple hours _____________ WBG looks town, Navillus looks townish too Cyber looks awful, but town awful, not scum awful, which is exactly how he looked in Hesmyrrs game. Palmar needs to step it up or die. Same for Syllo. Sandro, Doc H and Chaoser need to keep actively contributing as the game goes on, or else they need to die. I agree with almost all of this. One thing I will point out though, is to the people who are trying to establish links between players. The following is entirely my opinion, take it or leave it. I think it's useful to think about, though. First of all, I think that any "link" you make now is going to flaw your judgment of the players you're trying to link together. For example; some people think Radfield and Palmar are linked because they both voted Erandorr and Erandorr ended up flipping town. Well, we have some correct facts there, but the assumption is just bad. This assumption of "Palmar+Radfield started Erandorr bandwagon, Erandorr flipped town = Radfield Palmar connected" is bad because it means that if one of Palmar/Radfield gets lynched or vigged or shot or whatever and flips, we'll have this predisposed notion about the other that will be hard to get rid of. We need to analyze players right now based solely on their actions. 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FOR GONDOR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_JfHLs2Nc4 + Show Spoiler + also fuck you Curu you said I'd fall off Minas Tirith while burning! :p jk I still <3 you | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm with GMarshal LOL | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + popcorn aficionado ftw | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + LOL god Palmar's role is hilarious | ||
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On October 01 2011 04:55 TheManWithThePlan wrote: Not particularly. I was laughing the whole time I was writing that up. But obviously I would be EXTREMELY DEFENSIVE with 0 votes on me and oh so many on pyo right? You never said it but clearly implied it. Unless, of course, you weren't implying it in which case you're saying Pyo is a good lynch aka you think he's scum aka you're agreeing with scum that I should be lynched. That hole ain't getting smaller. + Show Spoiler + ahahahaha this game keeps getting better and better | ||
wherebugsgo
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 11 2011 22:22 kitaman27 wrote: wherebugsgo was killed off because he was giving DrH a hard time and I think our third hit overlapped with the two serial killers on prp/Ciryandor. The DrH modkill was pretty disappointing. Essentially it was equivalent to a day two bus and a round of night kills, except none of us had the opportunity to get any town cred off it (not that I disagree with the way the mods handled it). lol That was funny; beg ring into tunnel Sauron | ||
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