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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 12 2011 03:53 GMT
#44
/in please
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 17 2011 06:04 GMT
#225
Lot of talk about the ring, there are other items too? Host said read gamestart carefully.

I google Moridin and hes not from Lord of the Rings, from Wheel of Time. Anyone know about this? What is the True Power? It is in bold in the gamestart so may be important, what is it and what it will do? There will be a horn of legend as well for the next bit?

I will not vote yet, too early.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 17 2011 06:08 GMT
#226
Oh and OP say Legolas is a sheriff, his elf eyes can see things.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 06:32 GMT
#395
So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on.

Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.

We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.

He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.

So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.

##Push GGQ into the fire
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 09:23 GMT
#414
On September 18 2011 18:00 syllogism wrote:
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On September 18 2011 17:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Can you explain, syllogism, why you prefer Jackal over GGQ or iGrok?

For those who care, Jackal's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=124528

Basically because I'm more familiar with his play and GGQ has had a tendency to be inactivate as town in the few games I've played with him, I recall. However, they are all good candidates, and I had to pick one.

Let us join forces and ride our horsies to the defence of Helm's deep.
Vote for GGQ!

Is jackal not a person who everyone says dies early? and is quiet day 1?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 13:04 GMT
#432
On September 18 2011 16:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
##unvote

##vote Archon_Toilet

If people make plans, it makes them less likely Mafia. Not 100% but less likely.

chaoser is right, votes are quite spread. Many vote so far are on people for ideas about one ring. I read many games and people like sandroba and palmar make plans that are stupid all the time but they always town and make people talk. Trancestorm, bugs and drazerk votes are silly at this time. We will judge their behave later.

We should kill someone who is letting stuff just happen and should know better.
I like this post by syllogism. Jackal is someone who die early when town. Kill GGQ instead.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 13:14 GMT
#435
What you mean I got called out? Only person vote me is bugs. That was because I say people who make plans probably arnt mafia. What BS you mean?

I say something bad about GGQ and people come vote me, you guys must like him lots?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 17:23 GMT
#458
On September 19 2011 00:53 GGQ wrote:
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On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on.

Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.

We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.

He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.

So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.

##Push GGQ into the fire


Those parts were actually me quoting iGrok before voting for him. So yeah, your case on me is based on things I didn't say, and were in fact said by the person I voted for. Feel free to change your vote to iGrok if you still think those are scummy things to say, though.

Oh whoops, the quoting you made didnt work my bad.

Im not sure who to vote now.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 17:30 GMT
#460
Make your quoting better next time GGQ.

I read igrok's posts and he say he will lynch drazerk early for information which is silly.
The argument i make against GGQ was actually said by igrok which I make mistake.

I will vote igrok
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 20 2011 18:47 GMT
#921
I am voting jcarlsoniv. I will collect my arguments and explain in a few minutes.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 20 2011 19:04 GMT
#926
JCARLSONIV

- on the prplhz wagon who is now confirmed townie

- Defends Sauron doctorh
On September 18 2011 21:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On September 18 2011 18:22 prplhz wrote:
all of you kids going "oh we not gonna hit scum today lets just all vote random" you're not doing it right of course we are not going to hit anybody if you don't even give it a try

i like drh navillus and jackal as candidates for lynches right now

Please share some REASONS behind your suspicions of drh, navi, and jackal. Give us a REASON to believe you other than saying "I like them for lynches".


- Just crapping on about lurkers but doesnt actually say anything

- Desperate to keep attention on the erandorr bandwagon rather than the one he was on. Mentions every single name on multiple occasions. This is important. It is highly likely mafia on the other big bandwagon as well, why ignore them?

- Has claimed a personal interest in the ring. We know who Frodo is. Can only be Gollum or one of the nazgul.

- accuses ciryandor (confirmed town) of being mafia cos he defended bugs (confirmed town) and prplhz (confirmed town)

Bad votes, defends the godfather, attacks townies over and over. Has generally caused chaos, most of his post long quotewall noone can read.

Vote to kill him. He is probably a nazgul.

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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 20 2011 19:13 GMT
#927
I do not understand the cipher but i say it is probably in elvish or black tongue cos we in lord of the rings game. Is likely result of a sheriff check, someone is town.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 20 2011 19:22 GMT
#930
On September 21 2011 04:20 syllogism wrote:
I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield?

You keep saying you shot. If you were shot how did you survive? Claiming veteran?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 20 2011 19:23 GMT
#931
I agree that you are strange target though
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 17:45 GMT
#1115
Drazerk is looking like a candidate who should be looked at more closely.

On September 21 2011 21:00 Drazerk wrote:
Easy lynches for today!

Myself
Palmar
iGrok

as for myself...

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On August 09 2011 07:31 Drazerk wrote:
On August 09 2011 07:28 Curu wrote:
I'd also be a bit wary of Drazerk since his entire scum game in PTP was to be useless and active lurk while voting/bussing to gain Town cred.


Already killed a townie.

Can't be scum


for real lynch targets...

Jackal / Pyo / Rad all give me bad vibes but I've yet to make my mind up on who I think is scum ( Possibly all of them but I highly doubt it ).

This post makes me worry.

Why you quote game from last month? If you are claiming a shot why not claim it openly?

Why list so many name but not have an opinion on them?

Why did you jump on the Erandorr bandwagon?

Why so many useless one liner? Just to make the 5 post?

##Vote Drazerk


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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#1117
On September 21 2011 22:14 Drazerk wrote:
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On September 21 2011 22:06 prplhz wrote:
drazerk why not kill him today? you want to postpone the lynch to tomorrow? also why do you think he's gonna get killed anyway, as you stated on some previous post?


We have better targets
Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it.
People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere.


Who are these better targets Drazerk? You seem very unsure, just sure we shouldn't kill igrok.

On September 21 2011 21:00 Drazerk wrote:
Jackal / Pyo / Rad all give me bad vibes but I've yet to make my mind up on who I think is scum ( Possibly all of them but I highly doubt it ).
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 17:57 GMT
#1123
On September 22 2011 02:49 Drazerk wrote:
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On September 22 2011 02:45 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Drazerk is looking like a candidate who should be looked at more closely.

On September 21 2011 21:00 Drazerk wrote:
Easy lynches for today!

Myself
Palmar
iGrok

as for myself...

On August 09 2011 07:31 Drazerk wrote:
On August 09 2011 07:28 Curu wrote:
I'd also be a bit wary of Drazerk since his entire scum game in PTP was to be useless and active lurk while voting/bussing to gain Town cred.


Already killed a townie.

Can't be scum


for real lynch targets...

Jackal / Pyo / Rad all give me bad vibes but I've yet to make my mind up on who I think is scum ( Possibly all of them but I highly doubt it ).

This post makes me worry.

Why you quote game from last month? If you are claiming a shot why not claim it openly?

Why list so many name but not have an opinion on them?

Why did you jump on the Erandorr bandwagon?

Why so many useless one liner? Just to make the 5 post?

##Vote Drazerk



Read the game first...

He lied about the editing which through me over the fence.

No.

You saying you want me to read a whole other game, which I'm not even sure which one it is? Or this one? If you shot someone say so. No reason to be quiet.

So you lynched him because he edited a post...... this is terrible reasoning.

You vote Greymist straight away with reason "i agree with chaoser".

You spend many of your post saying that bugs is lying, even call for vigi shot on him but not vote him? You were last person on Erandorr bandwagon.

On September 19 2011 07:52 Drazerk wrote:
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On September 19 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm keeping my vote on WBG out of principle because I am sure he is either SK or Mafia. The fact that no one is even exploring the possibility that he is scum says volumes to me. If he were, in fact mafia, it's a fitting enough to say "nah hes obv just 3rd party he can't be scum if yoou vote for him youre scum becasue hes not scum" but we don't know what alignment anyone is only mafia know that :-)


That was my whole reason for voting for him originally and the reason Ill probably vote for him tomorrow.

WBG won't be lynched today but hopefully he will be shot tonight or lynched tomorrow.


Being all buddy with Sauron?

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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#1125
On September 22 2011 02:51 prplhz wrote:
@archontoilet

so what are your thoughts on igrok you haven't voiced your opinion on him and that's kinda weird 'cause yesterday you actually wanted to lynch him, albeit briefly and not very pushy. today you have the chance to actually do that but you choose to focus on drazerk instead.

what's your opinion on igrok and why don't you want to lynch him anymore?

igrok is a strange one. All the reason I wanted him killed make sense now that he has claim survivor role. He has however either left out crucial mechanic or lied about his role now that syllo try to kill him and he survived. I would be ok with lynching him still if nothing else come up, better lynch third party than a townie.

I am dropping jcarlsoniv for now that case was going nowhere.

I feel drazerk has kind of disappeared and isn't getting enough attention. He has very bad voting history, strange interaction with the only confirm mafioso and majority of his post are very short and uninformative.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 18:16 GMT
#1128
On September 22 2011 03:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
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On September 22 2011 03:05 Archon_Toilet wrote:
On September 22 2011 02:51 prplhz wrote:
@archontoilet

so what are your thoughts on igrok you haven't voiced your opinion on him and that's kinda weird 'cause yesterday you actually wanted to lynch him, albeit briefly and not very pushy. today you have the chance to actually do that but you choose to focus on drazerk instead.

what's your opinion on igrok and why don't you want to lynch him anymore?

igrok is a strange one. All the reason I wanted him killed make sense now that he has claim survivor role. He has however either left out crucial mechanic or lied about his role now that syllo try to kill him and he survived. I would be ok with lynching him still if nothing else come up, better lynch third party than a townie.

I am dropping jcarlsoniv for now that case was going nowhere.

I feel drazerk has kind of disappeared and isn't getting enough attention. He has very bad voting history, strange interaction with the only confirm mafioso and majority of his post are very short and uninformative.


Do you have an opinion on Palmar?

Im ok with Palmar for now. In his last game he was total dick and made town fuck up by screaming at everyone. He making big effort not to do that this time, is helping.

He accuse DrH and igrok, first confirmed mafia second is third party at best. He voted erandorr but then he was the first person on, which is much less scummy than the people who jump on later. He also doesnt like you very much
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 18:22 GMT
#1131
This is not like you at all mr chaoser.

On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.

##vote: Jackal58

Just run with what Radfield say? You usually more assertive than this.

On September 22 2011 00:50 chaoser wrote:
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On September 22 2011 00:28 chaoser wrote:
##vote iGrok

Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson.


Actually, nvm, if he's third party then mafia can kill him, we don't need to waste a lynch on him. If he's mafia then where he uses his hit will out him.

##unvote iGrok


Not very long ago you very badly want to kill igrok. You claim you have learn your lesson, then suddenly oops. Change your mind. Why would mafia kill him if he's third party, he could win with them. Why you really unvote him?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 18:34 GMT
#1152
Drazerk you claimed to kill a townie. You do it here.

How can you be a medic and killing role at the same time?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 21 2011 18:47 GMT
#1170
On September 22 2011 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You say you didn't get a scum vibe from iGrok. Were you getting a town vibe? Did you think he would be a likely day one hit?

I would like to add to this. Did you protect him last night or was it only during the day today?

If you protected him last night, chaoser needs to hang.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 23 2011 10:56 GMT
#1499
On September 23 2011 19:50 Palmar wrote:
Just put yourself in Mafia shoes, and let's entertain the thought that iGrok is NOT mafia.

Premise: Someone idiot claims 3rd party.

option a): Push for his lynch, because no matter what you can't be faulted for wanting to kill him.

option b): Push for a lynch on a townie and defend the 3rd party, putting your neck out and failing miserably.


Would any sane mafia pick option b ??

I don't see it happening, there is no doubt in my mind now that iGrok is scum, because mafia would have gladly hanged him if he wasn't one of them.

Woe is he who disagrees with Palmar, for he is always correct.

##Vote iGrok
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 23 2011 15:52 GMT
#1576
This data changes things. I suspicious of chaoser yesterday, less so when same text used as ciryandor to kill radfield.

If chaoser serial killer then it make his claim bout being shot likely true.

Palmar seem very worried bout chaoser dying?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 24 2011 13:34 GMT
#1686
GOT SOMETHING STICKING IN MY EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 24 2011 13:34 GMT
#1687
GOT SOMETHING STICKING IN MY EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 24 2011 13:35 GMT
#1688
I HATE YOU KITAMAN
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 24 2011 13:55 GMT
#1692
Ye s kitaman, you will die. I will ride my horsie and kill you hahahahahahaha
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 24 2011 20:44 GMT
#1720
Apologies to the hosts and players for my last few posts, I was under the influence.

I am switching back to iGrok. He was suspicious early, his claim was extremely convenient and Radfield did everything he could to divert attention off him.

If iGrok flips survivor after all, we still have a third party out of the way and that's better than a townie.

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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 25 2011 10:12 GMT
#1815
I'm a bit confused by this:

On September 22 2011 19:55 Radfield wrote:
##Nightkill: Pyo


Pyo obviously survived. Seeing as he was on Radfield's super scum list as well, it makes me think he is in the clear.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 26 2011 09:59 GMT
#1951
OriginalName was pretty clearly the mafia's alternative bandwagon to iGrok. I'm pretty comfortable with him being a townie.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 26 2011 18:09 GMT
#2004
Pretty sure heist needs to go.

He called out DrH as a terrible lynch on day 1, defended Drazerk to the death then voted for him, called out iGrok as a terrible lynch, was on the original name train.

Low activity, atrocious voting, defends scum then disappears. Heist needs to go. Vote for heist.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 26 2011 19:59 GMT
#2012
On September 27 2011 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
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On September 27 2011 03:09 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Pretty sure heist needs to go.

He called out DrH as a terrible lynch on day 1, defended Drazerk to the death then voted for him, called out iGrok as a terrible lynch, was on the original name train.

Low activity, atrocious voting, defends scum then disappears. Heist needs to go. Vote for heist.


Low activity and atrocious voting? Sounds much like someone I know...
That is the very first time you have mentioned heist all game.

I voted iGrok 2 nights out of 3. That's better than your record mate.

It is the first time iv mentioned heist, so? I think he's mafia.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 26 2011 20:00 GMT
#2013
On September 27 2011 03:22 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Archon while your here, what's your opinion on Palmar?

Palmar went out of his way to get iGrok lynched. He spearheaded it like there was no tomorrow, including on day 2.

If he's mafia then he's a mafia traitor again.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 29 2011 16:29 GMT
#2615
On September 30 2011 01:20 Drazerk wrote:
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On September 30 2011 01:19 chaoser wrote:
On September 30 2011 01:06 Drazerk wrote:
well this is an active town...


Seriously...where is everyone?


Dunno

and please just use the smurf account toilet it's easier for me to filter that way >.>

Ok done.

So most of those pages are just Palmar and chaoser spamming.

kitaman is cleared as far as I'm concerned. Drazerk is apparently confirmed medic, I still can't find where, chaoser is confirmed. rayne has been posting well still and I think he's ok too, same with jcarl despite my earlier analysis of him. I'm a vanilla townie, Erkenbrand Defender of the Westfold. Our last mafiosos remain among the 5 others in my opinion.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 29 2011 17:04 GMT
#2623
Ok I'm backtracking on heist as well.

I think the remaining mafia are cyber_cheese and pyo. I agree with chaoser's post about cyber and would like to add my opinion on his probable buddy.

This post is a big one from pyo. Firstly, Cyber tries to clear himself and Pyo:

On September 29 2011 02:08 Pyo wrote:
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On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us.


coming up with a contrived way to clear yourself... am I the only one who thinks this is really scummy? ON flipping town makes me really hesitant to push anyone (especially given that it is night still), but it really should be pointed out that "always being on the right side of a lynch" means you know something that the rest of town didn't...

I still haven't wrapped my head around all the chaoser/palmar bullshit. The thing that really bothers me about it is that if I were to pick 2 people at the start of the game who would have absolutely no trepidation with fake claiming a 3rd party, it would be those two. Neither of their claims make any sense nor does the fact that they're both still alive. Hopefully at least one of them dies tonight to make things simpler... or better yet if I die tonight then I don't have to think about it – either way, I'm going to wait till the day post before I really try wade through the fake claiming/sheeping/bull shitting that's been going on.


Why would you suddenly be so hesitent to lynch anyone? You've been quite aggressive all game and now that it's down to the wire you want to avoid responsibility. Your point about always being on the right side does indeed hold here as well.

- Repeatedly defends iGrok, even going so far as to suggest he be allowed to choose the lynch by himself.

- Led the charge on the OriginalName lynch, including such reasons as "he was the only one who knew who Ugluk was" and "he claimed Eowyn as Vanilla Townie which is bullshit cos she'd totally be a blue".

- Advocates lynching bugs day 1 because it would help us learn something about the mechanics.

He does have analysis on Radfield which is his only saving grace.

I think he needs to go. Thoughts on Pyo?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 29 2011 17:05 GMT
#2624
By chaoser's post I meant the one on the previous page about cyber's tunneling of Trance Storm, but the analysis on this page is good too.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 29 2011 18:01 GMT
#2631
On September 30 2011 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
I was going to write up something against pyo when I got home.

I'm also incredibly suspcious of you now DropBear. The only reason I was giving Archon_Toilet a pass was because he acted like a complete noobie. The effort you have put in so far this game is extremely disturbing.

You are right, I've been basically afk. I've been busy with a girl the last 2 weeks. She's caught the crazy so it's back to Mafia

On September 30 2011 02:35 kitaman27 wrote:
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On September 30 2011 02:04 Archon_Toilet wrote:
I think the remaining mafia are cyber_cheese and pyo.


You state that there are 2 mafia remaining as if it is a fact. How do you know this?

I don't know it for a fact at all. I think it extremely unlikely that there are only 4 mafia all up seeing how many blue roles have died so far, and I think both Pyo and Cyber are mafia.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 30 2011 04:42 GMT
#2672
I'd rather kill Pyo than Cyber. Voting Pyo.
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
October 09 2011 16:39 GMT
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