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On September 18 2011 05:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Drazerk never said that you're scum because you have posting restrictions. You aren't making any sense and now that you're getting "pressure" to scumhunt you're showing the worst case of scumhunting I've ever seen. "TranceStorm is scum TranceStorm is scum Trancestorm is scum" is not scumhunting. Neither are OMGUS votes based on bad misunderstandings of what another player is saying. You said your first vote/reasons were bad. Yet in that same post you say " I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm." That's some big confidence for a "bad" vote. Cut the bullshit. It's obvious that what ever you are, you're not here to help us. Honestly on Day 1 I'd be more content lynching a pretty sure SK/Third Party player than some gut scum read that is probably wrong and end up killing some VT or power role that is actually helping us. As far as your posting all you are is an annoyance and a distraction. Are you fucking kidding? Drazerk didn't say anything about me being scum other than "leaning" scum on me. In the same post he says there are "definitely posting restrictions" when participating in a conversation about me talking about the ring in posts I make. Drazerk is scummy. I also think TranceStorm is scummy, I don't think my vote reason was bad, I just didn't explicitly state my vote reason. I wanted it to appear "bad" to promote discussion (which I did, no?) | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You specifically said this. Drazerk never even once implied that you having a posting restriction makes you scum. So no, I'm not kidding my point still stands. He never said or implied it was scummy. Sorry. This entire quoted attack on Drazerk is based on a bad misunderstanding. You didn't say anything about TranceStorm being scum other than he was scum and that was it. It wasn't until way later that you explained your vote (giving us all of one sentence of justification). If that's your basis for voting Drazerk, perhaps you should vote for yourself. Oh I see you're playing bad on purpose to "promote discussion" i.e draw all attention to yourself and make the whole day 1 discussion worthless. Very good town play, bravo. Why don't you tell me Drazerk's motivation for voting for me, then? Why did he mention the posting restrictions in the context of his vote on me? Why did he sheep Chaoser? You seem to know all about Drazerk. Go ahead and tell us. And yes, I did say that my vote reason was bad, because that was the way I intended it to appear. I have reasons for voting him, I don't have to state everything and put it out on a silver platter for you. This is the same reason why I'm not going to tell anyone why I want the ring. If you guys decide to give me the ring, fine, if you don't, you're just hurting yourselves. Of course, I might actually have to put everything on a nice silver platter, since most townies are usually extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning. | ||
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On September 18 2011 06:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not gonna fight with you on this. I'm not saying people shouldn't press who they think is scum. But when there is one overwhelming bandwagon against an obvious mafia we shouldn't go out of our way to split it since that's what the mafia wants. I'm not advocating analyzing/voting for only one player a day. That's silly. There is usually only a single bandwagon when something like a major scum slip/red DT check/really good analysis comes up on a player and that's exactly what should happen in that case. Maybe there is just a misunderstanding between us but I think having (in a vacuum) a split wagon between two players is the ideal situation for scum. You're pretty good at jumping to conclusions. He mentioned it because it was what we were talking about. Other people were speculating about whether or not you have a posting restriction and he is coming out and saying you probably do. He never connected it to his vote for you or his reasons for thinking you're scum. I'm not Drazerk I don't know why he voted for you. Stop being obnoxious I never said I knew anything about his reasons or what he's thinking I'm just saying your basis for attacking him is flawed. You have no reason to be this defensive unless you're guilty of something, slow to understand basic logic, or intent on being as annoying as possible in this game. I've decided you're a clown and I'm not wasting anymore discussion talking to you about this. Come up with something good enough to reply to and I'll think about it. You're just noise. You're also pretty good at soft defending him, not to mention doing the same things you're accusing me of doing. You accuse me of being overly defensive. Way to jump to conclusions (eyeroll) I'm not voting Drazerk in defense. Until Drazerk explains himself or I find someone else who I think is a better lynch today I'm leaving my vote on him. | ||
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If I'm a weak lynch target, and I've purposely drawn a lot of attention to myself, then why would Drazerk bother voting me? Think about it. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective for him to vote me. He's not contributing anything by voting me. He's not contributed anything yet, in fact. I'd also like to point out that there are several players who have not even posted yet. Sandroba we already have a reason for, but Palmar is completely absent. Erandorr as well. No matter how stupid/scummy you think I am for wanting the ring we need to get these people to post so we don't have to fuck around with lurkers who end up boning us from behind by day 2 or 3. If you're not willing to encourage discussion and you'd rather just ignore these players too then I have to question your motives. | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: explains what you didn't even make a case on him why he voted me. | ||
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Also I find it really funny that both Erandor and Palmar posted ONCE very shortly after I called them out on inactivity. I will be back in several hours, I have a thing to go to tonight. If I don't have the ring...well, can't say I won't be surprised. | ||
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The following post is well-reasoned and should be listened to: On September 18 2011 11:45 kitaman27 wrote: There are far too many people that are getting away with posting the minimum or nothing at all. Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor Pyo has nothing of interest If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away. As I said earlier and as Kitaman has nailed pretty well, we absolutely need to encourage the lurkers to participate. If they don't participate, or we let them get away with stupid shit (more on this later) then we are just hurting ourselves. We cannot let mafia blend in, and we need to identify when someone is trying to blend in, to identify them as scum. I will give you all two examples of this right now: On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on. Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas. We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts. He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters. So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom. ##Push GGQ into the fire Firstly, this guy is saying absolutely nothing with this entire post. He says there are so many people yelling at each other, that it's hard to read what's going on. He insinuates that there is a lot of confusion and noise, yet he adds to this by splitting the vote even further and throwing a shitty vote on a person who so far has not done anything scummy (as far as I can tell.) The worst part is that there are no specifics in this post. To clarify: On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas. wat so, he says there are "many plans and ideas, some good some bad." Way to go sherlock, either the plan is good or it's bad. You've really told us a lot there. What the fuck is that supposed to contribute? What's specifically good about these "good plans"? Who made them? What about the bad plans? The only thing he alludes to is that he thinks people like me and Trance are probably fine and just giving bad ideas. Well, the only idea I've pushed is giving me the ring. Trance is receiving votes, if Archon is scum then it totally makes sense for him to soft defend him here. And "all the guys" talking like us are fine. Whoa, so if someone makes a plan they're autoconfirmed town? Wtf? God this makes no sense whatsoever. On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts. He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters. So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom. ##Push GGQ into the fire Yeah hey guess what genius, you were lurking until now too, AFTER you were called out on your shitty posting record. I'm pretty sure you're just throwing a random vote out there and feigning analysis so you don't get a shitstorm for not posting and not contributing anything. This isn't even a real vote! Our last example is this: On September 18 2011 15:48 Pyo wrote: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH. | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:08 iGrok wrote: This is pretty much why I voted for him. I want to see what his role does, and he's not acting at all like he did in Resurrection or... XL, was it? one of the normals where he beast-moded the game Wtf you voted me? It's not in this thread o_O | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:31 iGrok wrote: At this point, I feel like you're 3rd party. And you aren't scumhunting at all. So... no. Don't discredit me without actually reading my posts. | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:46 iGrok wrote: I'll do whatever I want (though I did read your posts). You've given us no reason to trust anything you say. I can't say much for you when you ninja voted me. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:07 iGrok wrote: What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information. I'm all for lynching scum, but I highly doubt we hit scum today. There's no good candidates yet. That being said, upon rereading I have no idea why I was suspicious of Drazerk. Chalk that up to an awful hangover. I'll try to work up something better soon[/QUOTE] This failed pretty hard. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:07 iGrok wrote: What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information. I'm all for lynching scum, but I highly doubt we hit scum today. There's no good candidates yet. That being said, upon rereading I have no idea why I was suspicious of Drazerk. Chalk that up to an awful hangover. I'll try to work up something better soon This failed pretty hard. | ||
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For those who care, Jackal's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=124528 | ||
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I asked for the ring relentlessly. People thought that was scummy. Look at the bandwagon on me right now. Then, look at Jackal's votepost on me. He says it's a good idea to give me the ring, because he doubts the game will end if I get it, but wants to lynch me anyway. That's a pro mafia stance. If I get the ring and get lynched, the ring is randomly sent to one of the voters. If the majority of the voters are scum then they get a better chance of getting the ring. Between Dr H, Jackal, Pyo, iGrok, and Drazerk, I'd bet we can find at least 3 scum. (these are the current voters on me) You can also easily make a case against any one of these players. Filter them all if you don't believe me. | ||
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Also, for those who have actually been reading my posts you'd see that I've claimed both gollum and Sauron so you can't really say I'm third party. A few people have actually pointed out the correct read that was based on my behavior (I don't remember who but someone nailed it on the head) | ||
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