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So enough of me finding people who aren't mafia. Who do I find suspicious?
Drazerk.
On September 17 2011 18:59 Drazerk wrote:
Looking at it I think WBG is probably lying with his claim and using it as an excuse to post bad and try and get the ring.
On September 17 2011 19:32 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote:On September 17 2011 13:37 chaos13 wrote:On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote:On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:
Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. They definitely should be. Nope. The entire content of his post was all based on game mechanics. Game mechanics reveal zero about a player's alignment, so if you give people town cred for posting that, the whole mafia team is going to do it and pretty soon you're completely fucked. Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia? + Show Spoiler [Pointless theorycrafting] +
As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. Assuming that Gollum is capable of stealing the ring, we can not afford to kill him, no matter how annoying he becomes. If mafia get the ring, Gollum would likely be our best chance of retrieving it back from them - and we all agree that Sauron or Saruman being in possession of the ring is a really bad situation for town.
Actually, WBG already has two posts that don't mention the ring but perhaps it doesn't have to be every post but he has a quota instead?
I think he is lying and that may of been a slip up ( Like my caller posting restriction in WAW2 )
On September 18 2011 19:09 Drazerk wrote:
I am busy and just quickly glanced over 1-2 pages but to clear something up -
I can not comment on and posting restrictions I may or may not have just know curu can put them in the game and he probably will have used them.
Saying that WBG is lying about being golum and using it as an excuse to play badly and obtain the ring for scum he doesn't have a posting restriction.
On September 19 2011 07:13 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 07:05 Radfield wrote:On September 19 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:On September 19 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Erandorr, I just saw what you edited out and that is 100% not a "wrong thread" edit. That was not a vote, that was a large post including multiple quotes in an attempt to defend yourself. Your first line was "I can see why people think I'm a good target".
##Vote Erandorr If this is true Erandorr needs to die. Will however wait until I read the edited text before switching my vote just in case your lying. Drazerk why would you assume that Kita is lying when Erandorr basically reposted exactly what Kita said: On September 19 2011 06:30 Erandorr wrote:
I guess I will try again: I make a decent lynch target when I filtered myself but I actually still do think that wbg is a good target, because his behaviour has been off. First what I considered trolling then claiming posting restrictions and then going back to posting normally like he didnt have one. And doing all that without giving a clear reason. Thats not weird to you in any way? This is an absurdly feeble defense. In fact, it's not even a defence, it's a redirect. Of course WBG's posts have been strange, no one can deny that. But plenty of town players have opened games by playing 'poorly' to attract sheep votes and bs votes.... like yours. Does this mean WBG is town? Of course not, but it certainly doesn't make him scum either. Add to the fact that his posting dramatically improved as the day went on and you find someone more likely to be town than scum. If his posting/activity level stays high than he stays, if it deteriorates than we vig him, by no means do we use a lynch on someone who the vast majority of the players think is "probably not mafia but..." I generally don't trust people anymore. As for WBG - I still think he is lying about his claim and getting people to go "Leave him it's just gollum who is third party"
He spends most of day 1 attacking WBG. It's kind of rediculous how many times he posts the exact same thing. This is really going the extreme of posting something while saying absolutely nothing new or contributing in any way. The number of connections to DrH are also starting to be suspicious (same initial pressure vote, DrH really pushes his defense, both attack mainly WBG).
On September 19 2011 08:20 Drazerk wrote:
Vigi's shoot WBG.
DTs scan Jackal / prphlhz
If you have the ring do NOT pass it on to anyone tonight.
On September 20 2011 08:17 Drazerk wrote:
Told you WBG was lying about his golum claim >.<
It's clear that he wants us to believe WBG is mafia trying to play off as a third party. He wants someone to use their KP to kill him night 1. What happens after the flip? He tries to gain cred by saying he was right all along about WBG. Oh no need to remember that he was actually completely wrong about his alignment. The fact that he tries to use this moment to provide justification for most of his day 1 posts when he was fundamentally wrong seems very off.
For now I'll be placing my vote on Drazerk.
##Vote: Drazerk
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On September 21 2011 07:50 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 07:49 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm also loving how people are showing up right after an FoS. It's magic.
Now I know how to conjure up a Drazerk.
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Another shitstorm of candidates. Will be interesting to see who you vote for, Drazerk, with your only strong conviction this game out of the picture.
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You are deadset in this. You are being purposefully obtuse if you can't see this was sarcasm.
Jackal: Realizes I am most likely not going to get lynched. Changes to Prplhz but likes Erandorr better. But likes both townies better than a possible 3rd party. This guy is scum.
Heist: Yeah because I totally knew both were townies. I had no good scum reads day 1. I made it abundantly clear that my priority for lynching was purely based on who could most likely be mafia, not who is most likely not town from the leading candidates.
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Like Trancestorm said, I seriously doubt you'll be able to hold onto the ring. It will most likely fall into mafia hands should we give it to you. How about you help us without the conditions?
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Dam missed the close of the lynch again.
And syllo really give it a rest. It's possible and everything else adds up. I also haven't forgotten you completely misused your day vig.
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his level of activity prior to his claim. his complete confusion over his survival. the later claim by Drazerk that explains everything. the win con explanation by Curu that makes iGrok's claim compatible to a town victory.
In fact the one going out their limb is you. Your only argument is that Balrog can't possibly be not evil. He's neutral to the main conflict in the lore, he can be neutral here. I just think think we have much better people to go after than iGrok.
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Neutral survivors can be whatever Curu wants esp as it fits with the lore. Honestly, would you make Balrog mafia or neutral? He's not part of the central conflict AT ALL in the story. I'm assuming everyone who has special powers with the ring don't have the ability to obtain it on will. How do you know Sauron has an active ability with the ring? perhaps his main purpose is just to locate it and give to a mafia member who can most use it.
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Actually you are the resorting to speculation that the role flip doesn't reveal everything. I have no reason to believe something is hidden in the flips.
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hahaha. I defended kita hardcore that game.
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First of all, if radfield didn't use his ability, then mafia can claim safely. It's a possibility so no, no one is confirmed townie.
What i want to know. Who killed Radfield?
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On September 23 2011 19:50 Palmar wrote:
Just put yourself in Mafia shoes, and let's entertain the thought that iGrok is NOT mafia.
Premise: Someone idiot claims 3rd party.
option a): Push for his lynch, because no matter what you can't be faulted for wanting to kill him.
option b): Push for a lynch on a townie and defend the 3rd party, putting your neck out and failing miserably.
Would any sane mafia pick option b ??
I don't see it happening, there is no doubt in my mind now that iGrok is scum, because mafia would have gladly hanged him if he wasn't one of them.
option b) would be more like: Push for a lynch on a townie and defend the 3rd party, be justified if the 3rd party ever flips 3rd party (which you know for certain will happen).
Do you even realize that you are saying any sane mafia will push for iGrok's lynch and then you proceed to try and lynch iGrok.
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If the options were between iGrok (3rd party) and Jackal (town), how can you even make an argument based on how mafia voted? In fact it would make more sense for mafia to lynch the townie rather than the neutral.
The simplest explanation is that he is telling the truth.
It's so easy to vote for him and have a superficial reason for an explanation. Everyone's "justification" amounts to nothing more than "He's lying. Let's lynch him because I think I'm right".
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Also, Archon you aren't getting by with self-proclaimed sheep vote. Assume iGrok is 3rd party. Who would be your lynch? Even if iGrok flips mafia, does that tell you anything about the other players? What are thoughts on the people on the Jackal lynch? Basically I want more than what you are giving.
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On September 23 2011 21:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 21:10 heist wrote:
If the options were between iGrok (3rd party) and Jackal (town), how can you even make an argument based on how mafia voted? In fact it would make more sense for mafia to lynch the townie rather than the neutral.
The simplest explanation is that he is telling the truth.
It's so easy to vote for him and have a superficial reason for an explanation. Everyone's "justification" amounts to nothing more than "He's lying. Let's lynch him because I think I'm right". this is incorrect, a serial killer is a threat to the mafia, especially when the mafia is doing well. In addition, mafia loses town cred by pushing townie lynches and gains it by killing 3rd parties.
Mafia gains town cred by killing 3rd parties. Yes, exactly what I want to try and stop.
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On September 24 2011 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 02:57 kitaman27 wrote:On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:On September 24 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Sometimes it's just so hard to convince people to do the right thing, because for some reason no one ever realizes what the right action is. Given the situation we're in where we allowed scum to wiggle out of a lynch on day 2 because despite the win condition we all have clearly saying we need to clear all evil out of midgard, yet we let a balrog live when the lore clearly states he's pretty damn evil. I can't believe it's even up for discussion going after a vigilante/SK that decided to kill mafia last night without anyone counterclaiming him. There is just no chance in a game with fake-claims that Boromir the SK is more evil than Balrog the neutral peace-loving fire demon guy. But Kita in his almighty knowledge decided that chaoser must be eliminated immediately yet it's fine to allow iGrok to shuffle by another day. I want to remind you that iGrok was supposed by Kita's own terms to actively scumhunt and not just back away from the game, and yet he's done exactly that. Kita doesn't actually give a shit for obvious reasons. Once again I beg you to go back and read everything posted by both Syllogism and Sandroba because they are the best players that are dead in this game. But hey, why should you listen to me, I'm sometimes a dick! Syllogism pointed out how stupidly heist believes claims randomly (lol, pacific ocean), and jcarl doesn't want to trust me because he's way too busy being thick. Cheesekid is scum though, not even him can be this dumb. It's ok though we just need to lynch iGrok and everything suddenly becomes alright again. Note how fast Kita claimed chaoser was an SK, he knows he's not scum etc. Also he earlier in the game said "Chaoser for SK" because he knows mafia hit chaoser, then corrects himself and says that maybe he could be scum. Kita is just crazy scummy right now. But apparently me changing my mind is more scummy, because you know... it's not cool giving things second thoughts, we should always just go with whatever we first think of right? I'm actually just going to leave the thread for a while, maybe town will not suck so hard when I'm back in some hours. Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. We already made a very stupid choise yesterday. Now just hang iGrok. -Pros over chaoser; 1) chaoser could very well shoot another scum in the face. iGrok failed in it last night. 2) We basically confirm Drazerk when iGrok flips. Ppl really should do what Palmar says and check syllo&sandroba posts. ##Vote iGrok If I swap my vote, will you be willing to lynch chaoser next? Yes, unless he shoots another scum at night.
You do realize he has already SHOT AND KILLED MAFIA. What more do you need?
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On September 24 2011 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 04:24 heist wrote:On September 24 2011 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2011 02:57 kitaman27 wrote:On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:On September 24 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Sometimes it's just so hard to convince people to do the right thing, because for some reason no one ever realizes what the right action is. Given the situation we're in where we allowed scum to wiggle out of a lynch on day 2 because despite the win condition we all have clearly saying we need to clear all evil out of midgard, yet we let a balrog live when the lore clearly states he's pretty damn evil. I can't believe it's even up for discussion going after a vigilante/SK that decided to kill mafia last night without anyone counterclaiming him. There is just no chance in a game with fake-claims that Boromir the SK is more evil than Balrog the neutral peace-loving fire demon guy. But Kita in his almighty knowledge decided that chaoser must be eliminated immediately yet it's fine to allow iGrok to shuffle by another day. I want to remind you that iGrok was supposed by Kita's own terms to actively scumhunt and not just back away from the game, and yet he's done exactly that. Kita doesn't actually give a shit for obvious reasons. Once again I beg you to go back and read everything posted by both Syllogism and Sandroba because they are the best players that are dead in this game. But hey, why should you listen to me, I'm sometimes a dick! Syllogism pointed out how stupidly heist believes claims randomly (lol, pacific ocean), and jcarl doesn't want to trust me because he's way too busy being thick. Cheesekid is scum though, not even him can be this dumb. It's ok though we just need to lynch iGrok and everything suddenly becomes alright again. Note how fast Kita claimed chaoser was an SK, he knows he's not scum etc. Also he earlier in the game said "Chaoser for SK" because he knows mafia hit chaoser, then corrects himself and says that maybe he could be scum. Kita is just crazy scummy right now. But apparently me changing my mind is more scummy, because you know... it's not cool giving things second thoughts, we should always just go with whatever we first think of right? I'm actually just going to leave the thread for a while, maybe town will not suck so hard when I'm back in some hours. Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. We already made a very stupid choise yesterday. Now just hang iGrok. -Pros over chaoser; 1) chaoser could very well shoot another scum in the face. iGrok failed in it last night. 2) We basically confirm Drazerk when iGrok flips. Ppl really should do what Palmar says and check syllo&sandroba posts. ##Vote iGrok If I swap my vote, will you be willing to lynch chaoser next? Yes, unless he shoots another scum at night. You do realize he has already SHOT AND KILLED MAFIA. What more do you need? I'd rather kill SK if there are no better candidates.
That's exactly the mentality that has really dominated decisions on every lynch. Mafia would love to lynch 3rd parties. They will survive yet again another lynch while we learn minimum from a neutral flip. You admit that you think he's most likely neutral 3rd party. Notice how almost none of the justifications of the votes on the neutrals follow your reasoning. Because it's almost always the wrong move to try and lynch a likely 3rd party neutral. So how is it mainly being justified? He has to be lying. He's mafia but EVEN IF he isn't, he'll give us information.
Can we please look to someone on the Jackal lynch?
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Oops didn't finish. For now my main suspicion is on ON. I'll provide reasoning later.
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You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win.
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You don't lynch them. That's what you don't do.
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