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I have a tourney starting today so I won't be around today and possibly not tomorrow depending on how well it goes. | ||
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The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. | ||
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Palmar starts off with voting chaos for a retarded reason. Follows it up with defending igrok repeatedly with shitty reasoning. When asked his opinion on why igrok is a bad lynch and GGQ is better he responds again defending iGrok and doesn't even mention GGQ. #Vote Palmar | ||
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Palmar's logic behind his vote for chaos and his defense of iGrok is flawed. When asked to give a reason for why he thinks GGQ is scummy he ignores it. | ||
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I am sure most of the town has played several times with palmar's town play in the past. Does palmar ever defend anyone this hard day1 as town? It's completely opposite of palmar's normal play. And you say I am trying to push policy lynches wtf? You are twisting things to try and make me appear scummy. Me pushing for your lynch because you are playing completely differently than normal and defending someone with horrible reasoning is in no way a policy lynch. Really the only explanation for palmar's poor logic and his non stop insistence that iGrok is guaranteed town is that palmar is scum. | ||
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Anyway switching like I said I would #unvote #vote TAA | ||
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I voted TAA for the same reasons everyone else did. Inconsistent opinions, contradicting himself and his play was far far below what I know he can play as town. Look at his play in WaW2 (scum) and compare it to his town play in RTM. He can be quite good and do a lot of scum hunting but this game he obviously was putting 0 effort in. But looking back on it it was a dumb vote. I should have put more weight into looking at the people who were on his bandwagon. Curu, Sandroba, palmar, iGrok are the 4 people I am most suspicious of and all of them jumped on TAA very quickly. Curu and palmar both went out of their way to defend iGrok yesterday. Not only did they defend him saying they thought he was town but Curu then began the TAA bandwagon. His play is extremely similar to XLIV where we were both mafia. I was in danger of being lynched early so curu started up counter lynches against weak targets to save me. | ||
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Looking back at some of sandroba's posts. Early on sandroba complains about the town being inactive but then completely disappears himself. And seriously all of his beginning posts he attacked iGrok but then this is literally his only post even mentioning TAA. On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote: Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll | ||
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He posted this in another thread at 13:08. Ace posted that TAA was lynched at 13:04 On September 09 2011 13:08 sinani206 wrote: You can put me up for co-host of SNMMVI He then posted this here at 14:26. On September 09 2011 14:26 sinani206 wrote: fuck i missed the vote screw homework So he is blaming homework on missing the vote yet he posted in another thread about mafia at almost the exact same time. | ||
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On September 09 2011 09:44 sinani206 wrote: btw red how was your role presented? So sinani was clearly around and clearly reading mafia things. But then doesn't comment on anything going on in the game and blames homework as the reason. | ||
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Sinani/igrok/curu/palmar/sandroba. I guarantee most of the scum team is between those 5. | ||
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And I didn't say you are automatically scummy for starting the bandwagon on TAA but your play looks exactly like the previous game. You defend someone and diverted the lynch to an easy target. You first few posts were all trolling and you only started acting serious once people called you out on it. | ||
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There is no way your reasoning is this bad as town. | ||
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Curu 94% scum Sandroba 85% scum iGrok 81% scum Palmar 74% scum | ||
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On September 11 2011 00:10 Curu wrote: I think with the number of people jumping so fast onto the TAA wagon, there's a decent chance that one of iGrok or GGQ is scum. So curu you kind of ignored this. Do you still think there is a chance GGQ is mafia? Why do you think the TAA bandwagon gained speed so quickly. I had really assumed iGrok was going to flip red as well so I need to rethink things. Btw did anyone take a hit last night? 1kp for mafia seems too small for a game of this size. | ||
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This looks like a completely bullshit excuse. I mean how exactly is being gone the entire first day then popping in day2 and contributing absolutely nothing besides you have no reads a play style? | ||
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On September 07 2011 11:15 sinani206 wrote: 1:45 left. that's about how long it should take me do my hw. see you all then. also fucking school On September 09 2011 14:26 sinani206 wrote: fuck i missed the vote screw homework On September 11 2011 10:43 sinani206 wrote: also you might notice that i am posting more today. guess why. its because its a weekend. here is my schedule now that school has started. 7 wake up 8-3 school 3-6 football 6:30 get home, dinner. 7-9, homework. going to sleep at about 10:30 because im tired from football generally. so i have a little over an hour of free time a day in which im posting. thats why i havent been to your definition "active" and why i missed the vote. But what's weird is on sept the 9th you posted at 9:44, 13:08, 14:26. So you posted 3 times over a 5 hour period. You blame your schedule on why you missed the vote yet you had already posted twice that same day in different threads. And if your schedule is accurate how does that explain posting over such an extended period of time? You found the time to read and post in other threads yet were too busy to actually post in the only game you were playing, bullshit. and then there is this On September 11 2011 14:29 sinani206 wrote: i am town, not fucking with you, just trying a different playstyle. maybe i should have smurfed so people wouldnt yell at me for no reason. Another excuse for your play this game. Exactly what play style could you possibly be going for? Troll, give no reads, do 0 scum hunting. The opposite of any possible townie play style you might attempt. I also find it strange that in some of your posts you appear very confident and you put out the attitude that you don't care what other people think (a townie attitude generally). But if that's truly how you feel then why so many excuses? The 2 things don't mesh. ##Vote Sinani206 Why do people want to vig sinani instead of lynching him? If we think he is scum then kill him. We don't even know for sure that we have any vigs. | ||
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Bum would be my #2 choice for lynch after sinani. | ||
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Sandroba (3) BA, Palmar, Bum Curu (1) XT WBG (3) Chaos, Sinani, Jackal Sinani (3) Curu, GGQ, Mig Bum (2) Zona, WBG XT (1) Sandroba Around 2.5 hours left in the day we are going to have to consolidate if we are going to have a lynch happen tonight. | ||
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Sandroba (3) BA, Palmar, Bum Curu (1) XT WBG (3) Chaos, Sinani, Jackal Sinani (3) Curu, GGQ, Mig Bum (2) Zona, WBG XT (1) Sandroba Around 2.5 hours left in the day we are going to have to consolidate if we are going to have a lynch happen tonight. | ||
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Sinani has twice ignored my question about his clear lie concerning missing missing the lynch on day1. He also admitted that his excuse about trying a new play style was also a lie. Several people (palmar, etc) have made excuses for sinani. Saying things like "sinani always looks scummy". But anyone who has played with sinani should know that yes he always looks scummy but he never plays like this. I mean look if sinani was town he could be actually trying to do some scum hunting right now. He could provide some analysis, give some opinions, give us ANYTHING. Instead he just gave up and is like fine lynch me and disappeared with half the day left. He is purposefully avoiding answering questions and contributing. If he was town he could show it but he is choosing not to. And Zona we still learn from the sinani lynch. If he flips red everyone who has been trying to divert the lynch to other people look a lot worse. And we don't even know if we have any vigs. | ||
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On September 12 2011 10:42 Jackal58 wrote: This is fucking interesting. You counted GGQ's vote before he voted. Clairvoyant? He voted earlier in the day sherlock. On September 11 2011 11:49 GGQ wrote: ##vote sinani206 fuck your attitude sandroba, I miss you, buddy! what's up? talk to us. | ||
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I was writing up the post about sinani and accidentally hit back before hitting post. I mean why exactly do you think I posted it twice other than by mistake? Some sort of nefarious mafia scheme? | ||
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Bum what do you think about sinani/jackal? Both you and jackal have pretty much avoided commenting on sinani this game. | ||
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Normally you are confident and tenacious in getting your reads lynched but this game you are just half assing everything. You were gone for 2 full days and when you come back you don't discuss a single person who had votes on them and then write like half a paragraph of analysis against Xt as your only contribution. And this was your only post actually pushing for him. On September 12 2011 06:20 sandroba wrote: Bros, I really think we should lynch into TAA vote list day1, since there ought to be scum there I'm pretty sure at least 2 if not more. I really can't tell witch side of palmar/jackal and wbg/mig is more likely to be scum, but I feel pretty good about lynching xfttfc. Such an incredibly weak effort considering your normal play. So instead of pushing hard for iGrok/Xt your original scum reads you just randomly jump onto the sinani/TAA bandwagons without a second thought. The only thing that keeps me from being sure you are scum is I don't really see you pushing any scum objectives either, which I would normally expect from your scum play. So who besides jackal do you think is most likely scum? | ||
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Sandroba's play at this point I don't think can be explained with excuses. He has had 3 different reasons for not contributing now (gone from house for 2 days, hungover, playing LOL). Why even stop in to post saying you will contribute tomorrow but going to sleep now if you aren't even going to list your suspects in case you die? He also ignored my question where I asked him who besides jackal he thought was scum. If someone is gone for a few days and their activity drops I can understand it but the game has been going on what 6 days real time days now? And sandroba still hasn't given the town anything whatsoever. At this point it is obvious sandroba doesn't care about the town making the correct decisions and winning, which I have never seen from him before as a townie. Along with that the analysis sandroba has provided this game is incredibly weak and so far below his normal play. His attacks on jackal/Xt were both very half hearted, he neglected to actually mention pretty much anything that has actually occurred in game and he didn't actually try to convince people of his case at all. Normally once sandroba picks out a target he is relentless in pushing for their lynches. Look at any of sandroba's recent town games where he almost single handedly gets scum lynched. His play this game is pretty much the polar opposite. | ||
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Do any vigs want to claim? | ||
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Along with that if palmar is mafia why did he claim at the start of the day? If palmar is mafia and sandroba is town there would be literally 0 reason for palmar to ever fake claim. It was clear I was going to push for sandroba's lynch today and most of the town highly suspected him. So why would palmar ever do it as mafia when it would draw huge suspicion onto himself and why would he make a claim that implicated bum as red instead of sandroba? The only plausible scenario I can see is if him/sandroba are both mafia but if that's the case why have palmar claim dt instead of sandroba and why have sandroba attack the claim so ferociously? It's lylo there isn't any need for mafia to try and set up plans to buy future town cred so I would expect sandroba to either remain silent or support palmar if they were both mafia. I still think sandroba is mafia. 3 different excuses and being afk for basically 6 days of real time is too unlike him. And It was clear sandroba didn't care at all about the town making the correct decisions before today. He only appeared today out of nowhere once palmar made a claim which implicated bum. So considering jackal's green check on palmar and the fact that there is 0 mafia motivation for palmar to fake claim in this spot I think bum/sandroba are both mafia. I will most likely be voting bum but I will wait a bit longer incase any new information is presented. | ||
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I just can't believe sandroba is town. For 6 days he does absolutely nothing and shows he doesn't care at all about the game. Then now he comes in and plays to emotion acting pissed off about how everyone besides him is useless? Where was this emotion/effort at any other point in the game? I just don't buy it. It's so inconsistent with his play this entire game. And there was seriously no reason whatsoever for palmar to claim dt as mafia at the start of the day. So ##vote bumatlarge | ||
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Look at the people who are on his voting list, Bum (shady), sandroba (unbelievably shady), Xt (lists no reason for his vote and is flying way under the radar), BA as jackal just pointed out was gunho for lynching sandroba/bum yesterday but now out of nowhere is siding with them, GGQ. Do you really believe all of these people are town? Would jackal/palmar both randomly fake claim dt out of nowhere today? I mean seriously tell me why they would do this? Especially when they could very easily have pushed for sandroba today. Also look at this from a balance viewpoint. If jackal/palmar are both fake claiming dts then town has just one medic (which roleblocks its target), a double voter and possibly 1/2 vigs. If that is the case what possible sense does it make for town to have a PGO? It would be incredibly op. The jailbreaker would roleblock the PGO (I assume) so the PGO would literally have no town role it could randomly kill besides the vigs. PGO's are generally only used in cases where there are plenty of townie roles they could accidentally kill because otherwise they are way way too strong since they are virtually guaranteed to kill a mafia, if they aren't lynched. So seriously use some common sense. Look closely at the people voting palmar right now and look at the fact that it makes absolutely no sense for there to be a pgo in this game when there are no townie roles it could accidentally kill. | ||
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Bum = scum | ||
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Palmar/jackal last 2 scum. Game is pretty much over at this point unless there is a SK. | ||
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So only debate is between me/jackal. I think it should be obvious if anyone reads all of our posts this game. But I will answer any questions people have of me. | ||
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But look why would palmar/jackal ever fake claim dts as SK? They fake claimed to support each other because they are mafia. We kill both of them if there is a SK left then it will be 3 handed and town can try to determine it then. | ||
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Then look at yesterday lol. He completely ignored the fact that palmar lied about visiting bum and changed his claim to he was insane and mafia framed WBG lol and then he told the sk to shoot me/ggq. I mean jackal isn't completely retarded. I don't really get how this isn't obvious to you. | ||
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Seriously nothing about your claim adds up. | ||
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If there is a sk do not listen to palmar you still need to shoot mafia to win. If you shoot a townie you will reveal yourself and it will be 1-1-1 random who wins. If you shoot jackal it will be 2-1 and you will have a shot to win 3 handed if you can pull off the mislynch. | ||
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I voted bum for 3 reasons. 1) I had a strong scum read on sandroba so I thought it was more likely for both of them to be scum 2) bum's PGO claim I didn't believe because of balance 3) I didn't think it made sense for palmar to fake claim dt like that, but I guess he was just being dumb. Btw I realized something else now that palmar has flipped goon. Mafia still has their double voter/vote stealer. Palmar's attempting to convince SK to shoot town makes sense now. If it was left 1-1-1 the game wouldn't be a draw mafia could still win by instantly voting twice. So the only way for town or sk to win is if they shoot the last mafia tonight. Shoot jackal. | ||
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How was anyone supposed to have a real town read on you? I thought there was a good chance you could have been mafia considering how low your activity had been. And I was undecided towards GGQ. My strongest scum read was sandroba and bum was also shady. But like I said that was only part of the reason I voted bum. | ||
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Double vote death for GGQ! ##Vote: GGQ | ||
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If sandroba is SK I will be very sad  | ||
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Death to GGQ | ||
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Palmar's fake claim was horrible and served no purpose for our team. He did it just for fun like a bastard. I raged so hard at him over it. We ended up all piling onto bum on day3 because we thought there was a chance bum was the SK. If bum was the SK then town could only have 1 kp and it was game over. In retrospect it was almost certainly a mistake. Should have just let palmar die. | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/zrHSUQGwB8e | ||
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GGQ/Curu/Zona all played well Thanks for hosting Ace. And big thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts all game. | ||
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So there wasn't any real chance of me lynching sandroba. | ||
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A big part of why I didn't commit too much to it tho was the fact that so much of your case against bum was based on your breadcrumb. The breadcrumb was so well hidden that I don't think anyone would have ever seen it if you didn't point it out (nobody on the mafia team saw it). If there had been more of an emphasis on the rest of your analysis I think more townies would have been willing to listen and switch over to him. | ||
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