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On September 09 2011 11:24 Curu wrote: rofl, so my vote randomly attracts people to sheep my vote without thinking he's scum? Clearly you think something is up with TAA too since you keep mentioning him as a major lynch candidate.
Waddafak is this
You smell funny, Curu.
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How is it ridiculous?
That's pretty much how all townies get bandwagoned early game. Some guy comes along and votes him, half the townies go "OHH SO SCUMMY" and vote the guy while the mafia snicker and sneak their votes in.
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On September 09 2011 11:32 Curu wrote: So you're convinced half the members in this Town are retarded sheep that'll vote for the first thing pointed out to them?
No, actually, I'm convinced that I should keep an eye on you. And maybe block my nose when I discuss things in your presence.
+ Show Spoiler +Take special note of how any answer to this question allows Curu to jump all over it.
On September 09 2011 11:32 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:30 wherebugsgo wrote: How is it ridiculous?
That's pretty much how all townies get bandwagoned early game. Some guy comes along and votes him, half the townies go "OHH SO SCUMMY" and vote the guy while the mafia snicker and sneak their votes in. I'm now recalling XLIV and sevryn. Remember who started that one too?
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On September 09 2011 11:43 Curu wrote:I actually like TAA a lot less now because of both WBG and xtfftc. WBG has been centering on TAA as a major lynch candidate and asking us to consolidate votes on him while also trying to set me up in the case of TAA flipping Town. I have never seen him pull the stupid speculation of "if x flips Town then his accuser must be scum" in either of the games I was involved with him in. xtfftc's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732¤tpage=13#250Full of contradictions. He is pressing Palmar for calling GGQ a bad lynch, then goes and calls GGQ a bad lynch in the very next paragraph of the same post. Also the hedging of his vote by calling TAA possible "bad Town."
Rofl, this settles it, you're scum.
I have NEVER centered on TAA, the only reason I even consider TAA is because he's actually pretty close to getting lynched.
I never even believed there was a proper case on TAA. I said he was SOMEWHAT suspicious and that he needs to post more. He was an acceptable lynch to me simply because everyone else thinks he's scum and everyone else here is much better than me.
However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions.
Watchlist:
Curu, Mig, Palmar, iGrok
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On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote: So everyone else thinks he's scum, you think everyone else is better than you, but you think I'm scum because I tricked everyone into voting for TAA.
I feel TAA will flip town because the bandwagon on him started too fast. No one has been defending him. That's just weird to me. Am I sure of it? No, obviously not, precisely because everyone else seems to be so confident about him being scum.
On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote: And you go ahead and act like you're sure TAA will flip Town and start trying to assign the blame. Okay.
Aww wittle Curu is doing the exact same thing he's accusing me of doing.
On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote: If you think TAA will flip Town why not try to push someone you feel is a better lynch or actually stop his lynch instead of pre-emptively trying to assign blame?
Already did that, why do you think my vote is on iGrok?
Also it's way too late in the day cycle to push anyone else on my watchlist. There's one hour left, if I were to switch to you/Mig then that'd split the vote.
I'm willing to vote TAA but at the same time I'm unwilling because it seems to me like I'd be sheeping a townie lynch.
Also it's getting me some nice reactions out of you + Show Spoiler +but some really bad smell dude omg. It's like you've rolled around all day in dead fish or something
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On September 09 2011 11:55 Curu wrote:So explain to me how you go from this: Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance To "Curu is scum because he started the votes on TAA" before the lynch has even gone through. If you think he's an acceptable lynch clearly you think there's a decent chance he will flip scum. And yet you're acting sure now that he will flip Town. What gives?
I already answered this, fishboy.
I think/thought TAA is an acceptable lynch because everyone else thinks so.
I realized that I was following a sheep mentality and that's why I posted my suspicion about how fast the TAA bandwagon started.
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On September 09 2011 12:00 Zona wrote: sandroba's entire short post history has igrok and xfttfc as suspicious - then a vote on theawesomeall right after with no reasoning, and basically nothing after
Oh sheet I actually overlooked this.
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Where the eff is sinani? He hasn't posted since he derpvoted me.
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On September 09 2011 12:46 Curu wrote: Hey WBG, I realize you think you're the shit after Resurrection and Palmar talking you up, but if you're Town drop it. I went through the same phase you seem to be going through, and it resulted in me tunneling supersoft/BC/Ace (all Town) in separate games because I thought I was the shit and couldn't be wrong. As well as constantly attacking and shutting down Townies in Personality, which fueled the derpfest the Town had going on.
I actually agree with Zona's post, most of the votes on TAA's wagon are pretty sheepish.
Reading through TAA's past games though, the ones where he's been scum he never has a strong opinion, which fits with his play here, whereas as Town in AA he hooks onto Pyo as a scumread and pushes him hard over and over, and in XLIII he was sure enough of his day 1 read on JeeJee to fakeclaim Vig in spectacularly derp fashion.
I don't even know what to say to this LOL
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##unvote iGrok
##vote TheAwesomeAll
before I forget yo
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On September 09 2011 12:57 Curu wrote:After the game if you're Town you can realize that your "neener neener" posting doesn't help Town whatsoever. It took me 3 games to come to that realization myself after watching Town self destruct in Personality, hope you'll learn that lesson faster  .
Actually my neener neener posting draws people out like you.
Fishy people.
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well that was dumb
time to reread the thread
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yeah so I've been at school all day. Planned on coming back to post my thoughts on the thread.
Good god, everyone did something weird Day 1. We need to sift through this shit now?
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These are people I want to investigate.
Watchlist:
Sandroba, iGrok, Curu, Jackal in that order. Other potentials I've been looking at are JeeJee, GGQ, and Mig, but nothing really stands out to me yet. I'm interested in these last 3 because they had some interesting exchanges with other players that I couldn't really put a finger on.
+ Show Spoiler +Throw bum in there cause he's always mafia when I play with him :p + Show Spoiler +Although oddly I have a town read on him this game
Sandroba's case is really simple. He's just not acting like he does as town.
What really set off alarms to me, though, was the fact that he found iGrok scummy but never actually voted him.
Then, what's even weirder is that he voted TAA without even putting forth an opinion as to why TAA was scummy to him/iGrok suddenly didn't become scummy.
He goes from this:
On September 08 2011 11:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote:On September 08 2011 10:45 sandroba wrote:On September 08 2011 09:47 iGrok wrote:On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote: Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not. You said you were suspicious of me and then gave no reasons. Do you have any? You pretty much started the shit fest day1 with your arbitrary vote and then tryed to make it seem it had some thought behind it, when it was clearly a random vote. Your response seem to be trying too hard to justify it, instead of just admiting it was shitty reasoning and you were only trying to get discussion going. In sumary your first post didn't sit well with me and your response did not help either. I'd actually like your opinion on someone that has posted in this thread. First of all, I didn't "start the shit fest day1". The shitfest had been going on since Curu voted Palmer pre-game. But that specific shitfest started with WBG's Random Vote. Second of all On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:Lets do this With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you. Until then, you make me uncomfortable. ##Vote Bayonet Anderson Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so? I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways. This is trying hard to justify it? Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with. Man iGrok, why so dodgy? Is it wrong of me to interrogate you to try to determine your aligment? You sure don't like the heat do you?
to this:
On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote: Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll
With absolutely no clarification inbetween.
He also has had nothing to say about the mislynch, which I find really uncharacteristic of him.
Zona has already pointed out some of this, but I thought it would be worth mentioning again (and adding my own thoughts) since no one seems to be discussing anything.
Moving on to:
iGrok
On September 09 2011 07:26 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 07:11 BayonnetAnderson wrote: Nice summary, shame it fails to contribute anything. Are you going to defend yourself? Or should we just lynch you? As far as to my true identity, you can *guess* at what it is, but I think you'll be surprised later. Either way, its a moot point, you are scum, and you are not getting anywhere fast by posting a "summary", that as wonderful as posting "lurker lists", a great way for scum to blend in.
Seriously people, can we kill him already? I don't think either GGQ or JeeJee are scum, but I don't think they're town either, and besides myself, Sandroba, and you, their the only ones who've really done shit so far. I just don't know anything yet. The only person I feel comfortable voting for now is TAA, and that's simply because I have to vote and he's the only guy I've got a partial read on.Of course, maybe I'm just not as good as you? Or perhaps you have some power that grants you more insight into the game already? Or maybe you're in a QT with 3 other people?
All of iGrok's posts smell a little funny to me. His vote reason for TAA was actually pretty bad, but he got away with it because the bandwagon on TAA was huge.
Does it mean anything? I dunno, iGrok why don't you tell us what you think?
On September 09 2011 07:03 iGrok wrote:Haha, wow. This game is going to be fun. I can't have Pressure voted and Random voted. Pick one to accuse me of. But, your first post revealed your true identity, so now I've got something to play off of. So now lets take a look at what else has been going on. GGQ and JeeJee got into a pissing contest. chaos13 and wbg gave their opinions of things. BA finally posts, ~36 hours after I vote for him. TheAwesomeAll got some attention. I'm going to vote for TheAwesomeAll, not merely for his incredibly short posts, but for his suspicion of GGQ. Show nested quote +for me its because you put so much effort in defending yourself, if iGrok sends sublimal messages hes afraid of the pressure you are literally screaming it. Also in a very interesting game like this you go after the lurkers... "You're defending yourself so you must be scum!" ##Vote TheAwesomeAll
This post smells like contradiction.
First he starts of with what looks like a path toward accusing Bayonnet. Then he somehow veers in another direction and just slams his vote on the TAA wagon.
I'm going to repeat this quote, but spoiler one part of it.
On September 09 2011 07:03 iGrok wrote:Haha, wow. This game is going to be fun. I can't have Pressure voted and Random voted. Pick one to accuse me of. But, your first post revealed your true identity, so now I've got something to play off of. So now lets take a look at what else has been going on. GGQ and JeeJee got into a pissing contest. chaos13 and wbg gave their opinions of things. BA finally posts, ~36 hours after I vote for him. TheAwesomeAll got some attention. + Show Spoiler +I'm going to vote for TheAwesomeAll, not merely for his incredibly short posts, but for his suspicion of GGQ. for me its because you put so much effort in defending yourself, if iGrok sends sublimal messages hes afraid of the pressure you are literally screaming it. Also in a very interesting game like this you go after the lurkers... "You're defending yourself so you must be scum!" ##Vote TheAwesomeAll
So if you just look at the top half of his post, it looks like iGrok is reaffirming his thoughts on Bayonnet. Enough to keep his vote there, right? He says that he has something to play off of based on Bayonnet's "true identity" from his first post.
Then he goes into a summary....??
The problem with this is that, even if he had done only that (and left his vote on Bayonnet) he'd have been fine. But iGrok slipped under the radar by hopping on the TAA bandwagon as it was picking up steam. That allowed him to relieve most of the pressure he was under without actually contributing anything to the town.
You can tell that his last few posts show no signs of anything except wanting to get TAA lynched. He didn't question the lynch, he didn't pursue other possibilities, and he certainly didn't discuss anything.
On to:
Curu:
+ Show Spoiler +
Haha you guys can look at our exchange if you wanna see why I think he's scummy.
In recap, he basically started the bandwagon on TAA for no good reason whatsoever, never questioned the fact that his target might be a townie, and never really tried to get information from TAA to determine whether he was scum or not based on his behavior. He just voted and cruised along the rest of the way.
Jackal:
THIS is Jackal's crowning achievement of the game:
On September 09 2011 06:24 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On September 09 2011 04:38 bumatlarge wrote: I'm feeling pretty good about GGQ or iGrok, unless anyone has some serious issues with the two, I think everyone should start putting your vote on one or the other. ##unvote ##vote bumatlargeof iGrok and GGQ, iGrok is the scummiest but the case against either is pretty bad. That makes perfect sense/////////// If you're not quite sane. ##VOTE: TheAwesomeAll I encourage everybody to vote for one of these derps voting for no reason. Pick a couple and we'll consolidate. This game is pure bullshit so far.
Jackal's exchange with chaos made me suspect that he might be town, but then Jackal's usually hard to read day 1 cause he just flies under the radar anyway.
He hasn't contributed anything; in fact, he complained about a shitty town atmosphere while doing nothing to clean it up himself. Then, he jumped on the biggest bandwagon we had yesterday for almost no reason whatsoever. (or at least, a reason that made no sense to me.)
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I've got a null read on palmar tbh.
I'm really confident on Sandroba, iGrok and Curu though.
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Kk yeah lynch one of Curu/sandroba tomorrow for sure.
I keep rereading and I become more confident.
Keep an eye on JeeJee, Jackal, GGQ as well to identify 4th/make corrections as necessary
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Ace is probably masturbating give him like 20 sex
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sup guys.
##vote Sandroba
Let's start, shall we? I've already said why I suspect Sandroba. I'm willing to look at lynching him, sinani, Curu, or iGrok today.
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On September 10 2011 15:31 Curu wrote: Well that'll mark the second game in a row WBG has been horribly wrong on reading me.
Pardon me but the first game I played with you was my first game ever 
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On September 10 2011 23:52 Palmar wrote: I think I already explained why iGrok isn't scum, are you not reading the thread wherebugsgo? And what's with the omission of Mig in your list?
Did you read my post on the last page?
When I reread the thread I didn't find anything that Mig said that scummy. I don't see how his behavior aligns with a mafia agenda...yet.
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