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On August 25 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright sorry for actually mentioning visiting someone, didn't see the cons on breadcrumbing
Breadcrumbing summary:
The doc lies so mafia cant backtrack who healed the person they attacked accurately... so the doc cant breadcrumb
The rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror
The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit
So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously?
e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH
If players lie in breadcrumbing, then we get WIFOM and confusion. The doc can´t point at his breadcrumbs in case he is going to get lynched, so he´ll probably get lynched precisely because his breadcrumbs don´t add up with what is happening in the game. Scum and EA will analyse breadcrumbs, either getting valuable info, or a good alibi, which the Blues can´t contradict without outing themselves. It will create a mess, and we don´t want a mess.
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On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here?
if we kill EA, night is skipped
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On August 25 2011 02:20 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright sorry for actually mentioning visiting someone, didn't see the cons on breadcrumbing
Breadcrumbing summary:
The doc lies so mafia cant backtrack who healed the person they attacked accurately... so the doc cant breadcrumb
The rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror
The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit
So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously?
e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH If players lie in breadcrumbing, then we get WIFOM and confusion. The doc can´t point at his breadcrumbs in case he is going to get lynched, so he´ll probably get lynched precisely because his breadcrumbs don´t add up with what is happening in the game. Scum and EA will analyse breadcrumbs, either getting valuable info, or a good alibi, which the Blues can´t contradict without outing themselves. It will create a mess, and we don´t want a mess.
I'm saying town should agree on who the psych should visit and no-one should breadcrumb themselves
essentially turning psych into a group role to avoid the being singled out as did/did not visit
psych dying could correlate to a) psych visited horror, b) horror visited psych or c) mafia attacked psych
if psyche is sane when he dies, we can rule out c, but c could happen the same night as a or b
if we don't know who the psych visits, we don't get any information on who EH might be, if we do, it's a 50/50
I'm pretty sure we're better off with the 50/50
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On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped
My apologies, I forgot that.
##Unvote
##Vote MrWiggles
just for references sake, i made a list
posts so far since the game started
1. Mr. Wiggles 5
2. Cyber_Cheese 12
3. Sevryn 8
4. TheFerryman 12
5. chaos13 5
6. Palmar 14
7. Navillus 5
8. Eiii 2
9. JeeJee 2
10. Jackal58 11
11. Forumite 8
12. Erandorr 11
13. tnkted 18
both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar
scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares
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On August 25 2011 02:28 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:20 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright sorry for actually mentioning visiting someone, didn't see the cons on breadcrumbing
Breadcrumbing summary:
The doc lies so mafia cant backtrack who healed the person they attacked accurately... so the doc cant breadcrumb
The rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror
The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit
So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously?
e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH If players lie in breadcrumbing, then we get WIFOM and confusion. The doc can´t point at his breadcrumbs in case he is going to get lynched, so he´ll probably get lynched precisely because his breadcrumbs don´t add up with what is happening in the game. Scum and EA will analyse breadcrumbs, either getting valuable info, or a good alibi, which the Blues can´t contradict without outing themselves. It will create a mess, and we don´t want a mess. I'm saying town should agree on who the psych should visit and no-one should breadcrumb themselves essentially turning psych into a group role to avoid the being singled out as did/did not visit psych dying could correlate to a) psych visited horror, b) horror visited psych or c) mafia attacked psych if psyche is sane when he dies, we can rule out c, but c could happen the same night as a or b if we don't know who the psych visits, we don't get any information on who EH might be, if we do, it's a 50/50 I'm pretty sure we're better off with the 50/50
Anonymous vote also won't work, in the case that the psychologist decides to hit another target who he thinks is better, which may leave us in a situation where he hits the Horror, but never even visited the "town chosen" target, leading us to a mislynch. As well, it opens the door to manipulation from the horror/mafia on who the target should be. Pretty much the same reasons that all blues aren't directed in normal games.
@Tnkted
Thanks for explaining that, it makes me feel better about you. Not sure why you were referring to a slip when you thought his reaction to pressure was what was scummy, but that's actually pretty interesting.
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On August 25 2011 02:28 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:20 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright sorry for actually mentioning visiting someone, didn't see the cons on breadcrumbing
Breadcrumbing summary:
The doc lies so mafia cant backtrack who healed the person they attacked accurately... so the doc cant breadcrumb
The rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror
The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit
So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously?
e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH If players lie in breadcrumbing, then we get WIFOM and confusion. The doc can´t point at his breadcrumbs in case he is going to get lynched, so he´ll probably get lynched precisely because his breadcrumbs don´t add up with what is happening in the game. Scum and EA will analyse breadcrumbs, either getting valuable info, or a good alibi, which the Blues can´t contradict without outing themselves. It will create a mess, and we don´t want a mess. I'm saying town should agree on who the psych should visit and no-one should breadcrumb themselves essentially turning psych into a group role to avoid the being singled out as did/did not visit psych dying could correlate to a) psych visited horror, b) horror visited psych or c) mafia attacked psych if psyche is sane when he dies, we can rule out c, but c could happen the same night as a or b if we don't know who the psych visits, we don't get any information on who EH might be, if we do, it's a 50/50 I'm pretty sure we're better off with the 50/50
what do you suggest happens if we all vote for psych to visit himself?
p.s. it's not 50-50 just because there's 2 possibilities. it's like, the odds of anything happening are 50-50 because it either happens or it doesn't.
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On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman
Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares
So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think?
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On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman
Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think?
You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look
In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies
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On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman
Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think? You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies
So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum?
It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices.
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On August 25 2011 03:03 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman
Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think? You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum? It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices.
at the moment, i'm believing wiggles is the horror
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I'll be voting for Mr. Wiggles.
Ferryman posted a good analysis on the original indecisiveness of Wiggles's original post, but what finally convinced me was the fact Wiggles tried to draw up a case from another game where he was wrongly accused as town.
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
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Forgive me for playing devils advocate, but isn't wiggles claiming that he's being wrongly accused as town in this game? So wouldn't that be exactly what he SHOULD quote?
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On August 25 2011 04:16 tnkted wrote:
Forgive me for playing devils advocate, but isn't wiggles claiming that he's being wrongly accused as town in this game? So wouldn't that be exactly what he SHOULD quote?
No, because if he was town, he'd be so convinced of his own innocence that the mere idea of him being scum should be way too far out for him to defend himself in the manner that he's doing.
I think the case was a good one, but what's damning isn't the case, but much rather wiggles's responses to the case.
I like him as our day 1 target.
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Okay IM back and catching up now. I will post as soon as I have a clear opinion
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On August 25 2011 03:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 03:03 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman
Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think? You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum? It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices. at the moment, i'm believing wiggles is the horror
why?
On August 25 2011 04:32 Erandorr wrote:
Okay IM back and catching up now. I will post as soon as I have a clear opinion
an hour later...
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Yeah Cyber Cheese I really dont know wtf you are doing
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
I would like to hear your explanation on that one. I really hate not killing people who are innocent as well, I even am forced to see a psychiatrist for that LOL.. get it.. no? not funny? okay 
But notice that its his first game, and I dont really get a SCUM newbie vibe from him, those tend to lurk hardcore more often then not. Hes just a bit bloodthirsty.
Right now Scummy, but not day 1 lynch worthy.
Also SC2 Mafia player and anyone who ever played that should know what it means.
I want moar time and get an extra day which is a completely awesome tool for town. We get more information and the chance that we pull a XLIV is reduced by a lot
I dont have a clear favorite as of yet but leaning more towards tnkted because he is 1) ultra defensive (that 1000 lines OMGUS was weird because all he cared about was discrediting Chesses wagon jumps, not the shit that guy has said up until now) and if you filter his posts, the rest has been pretty much just fluff
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On August 25 2011 05:41 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 03:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 03:03 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman
Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think? You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum? It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices. at the moment, i'm believing wiggles is the horror why? Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 04:32 Erandorr wrote:
Okay IM back and catching up now. I will post as soon as I have a clear opinion an hour later...
Do you have any idea how long it took me to perfect that awesome and in no way lame joke?
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On August 25 2011 05:57 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 05:41 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 03:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 03:03 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
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Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
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Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:[quote]
NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think? You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum? It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices. at the moment, i'm believing wiggles is the horror why? On August 25 2011 04:32 Erandorr wrote:
Okay IM back and catching up now. I will post as soon as I have a clear opinion an hour later... Do you have any idea how long it took me to perfect that awesome and in no way lame joke?
Here's a better joke. It's a bit long but worth the read. Very relatable too if you happen to be like me and in your 20s  Perhaps you can use it as a template for writing better jokes in the future!
+ Show Spoiler +When I was a kid, adults used to bore me to tears with their tedious diatribes about how hard things were when they were growing up. With walking twenty-five miles to school every morning uphill both ways through year 'round blizzards carrying their younger siblings on their backs to their one-room schoolhouse where they maintained a straight-A average despite their full-time after-school job at the local textile mill where they worked for 35 cents an hour just to help keep their family from starving to death!
And I remember promising myself that when I grew up there was no way in hell I was going to lay a bunch of crap like that on kids about how hard I had it and how easy they've got it! But.... Now that I'm well into my 20s, I can't help but look around and notice the youth of today. You've got it so fuckin' easy! I mean, compared to my childhood, you live in a goddamned Utopia! And I hate to say it but you kids today you don't know how good you've got it! I mean, when I was a kid we didn't have The Internet -- we wanted to know something, we had to go to the goddamned library and look it up ourselves! And there was no email! We had to actually write somebody a letter-with a pen! And then you had to walk all the way across the street and put it in the fuckin' mailbox and it would take like a week to get there!
And there were no MP3s or Napsters! You wanted to steal music, you had to go to the goddamned record store and shoplift it yourself! Or we had to wait around all day to tape it off the radio and the DJ'd usually talk over the beginning and fuck it all up! You want to hear about hardship? You couldn't just download porn! You had to bribe some homeless dude to buy you a copy of "Hustler" at the 7-11! It was either that or jackoff to the lingerie section of the JC Penney catalog! Those were our options!
We didn't have fancy shit like Call Waiting! If you were on the phone and somebody else called they got a busy signal! And we didn't have fancy Caller ID Boxes either! When the the phone rang, you had no idea who it was it could be your boss, your mom, a collections agent, your drug dealer, you didn't know!!! You just had to pick it up and take your chances, mister!
And we didn't have any fancy Sony Playstation videogames with high-resolution 3-D graphics! We had the Atari 2600! With games like "Space Invaders" and "Asteroids" and the graphics sucked ass! Your guy was a little square! You had to use your imagination! And there were no multiple levels or screens, it was just one screen forever! And you could never win, the game just kept getting harder and faster until you died! Just like LIFE!
When you went to the movie theater there no such thing as stadium seating! All the seats were the same height! A tall guy sat in front of you, you were screwed! And sure, we had cable television, but back then that was only like 20 channels and there was no onscreen menu! You had to use a little book called a TV Guide to find out what was on! And there was no Cartoon Network! You could only get cartoons on Saturday morning... ...D'ya hear what the fuck I'm saying!?! We had to wait ALL WEEK, you spoiled little bastards! That's exactly what I'm talking about! You kids today have got it too easy You're spoiled, I swear to God! You guys wouldn't last five minutes back in 1980s!
Also, I would also like to add that as kids, bike helmets were for the retarded kid down the street. If you wiped out on your green machine, then your teeth would pop out like chicklets. End of story. And don't even get me started as to where I would be now without the benefit of spell check.
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Some posts I have no choice but to respond to, because it litteraly boggles my mind that people would say this kind of stuff.
On August 24 2011 11:08 Navillus wrote:
I hate meta arguments
On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game.
Have you people even *looked* at Ver's guide on how to play town? In it you will see examples of foolishness, the supreme scum hunter, using "meta" arguments to support his case, much like I do here. Allow me to quote Ver
On August 26 2010 13:08 Ver wrote:
Past games matter a great deal for many reasons. Many players have claimed to have 'changed' their playstyles over time, and yes, superficially they have. But mafia ALWAYS have signs of being mafia, same for townies, and no matter what playstyle change happens. So much of what is used for behavior analysis is subconscious that really only a life-altering event would change someone so deeply that their past games would be useless. You simply must look deep and not just take everything at face value as core constants remain the same.
Core constants, like an apologetic backtracking tone or trying to skirt responsibility are what my meta analysis shows and why its valuable. Anyone discarding it because its "just meta" needs to read Ver's guide one more time and realize that when analyzing things are not going to be just obvious.
On August 24 2011 12:37 chaos13 wrote:
4. Ferryman, you've got a great case on wiggles, but with one problem. You designed that case to prove that he's the EA. What you should be doing is analyzing and then figuring out what he is. Because it was the cause and not the effect, I'm not yet convinced by it.
I'll get something more detailed up tomorrow morning.
Two things, this is flatly wrong, I read his posts, realized he was the EH and then showed how I reached that conclusion and supported it with evidence, the goal of my argument is to prove he is the EH, not discuss each and every possibility about what he could be or "how this is also possibly a town thought". The goal of an argument is to persuade and demonstrate, I'm not going to achieve that by going off on tangents and bringing up evidence that is not relevant to the case. That is part of the reason why PbP analysis fail, they bring up *every* *single* thing that has been said, rather than only taking the pieces that matter to the puzzle.
On August 24 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote:
I was specifically talking to ferryman, who, judging from the content of the post I was responding too, seemed to be placing an inordinate amount of importance on hitting scum day1 with a lynch.
Every mislynch brings us closer to defeat. Hitting scum day 1 is just as important as hitting them day 2 and day 3, remember it doesn't matter when we mislynch, as every mislynch is a step closer to losing the game. Lynch right from the start, no excuses.
On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch
Seriously? A random lynch? This is a poor idea to say the least, with a random lynch we have a 4/13 chance of hitting scum, less because mafia get to help direct it, with strong town play and good analysis our chances of hitting scum are much greater. Not to mention a random lynch provides next to no information, as opposed to a hard fought lynch where there is discussion and analysis. Justify this idea better please.
On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum.
Thank god I'm not the only person who sees this, if we get a chance to nail the EH we need to seize it, its a free extra day and the removal of a major threat. Why wouldn't we go for it?
On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote##Vote MrWigglesjust for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares
Making lists is a great way to contribute without contributing, and in this post you go and point out that Eiii is lurking and then vote for wiggles. While indicating mafia like to lurk, you either aren't reading what you write or you just wanted to post without thinking. Either way, its poor play, I expect you to remedy that asap, also I want you to explain why you voted wiggles.
Also, we are done discussing crumbing, its a worthless discussion that is going to get us nowhere, our medic and psychologist are intelligent enough to figure out what they have to do, trying to lead them is only going to hinder them. I expect to hear no more discussion of crumbs, or voting for their targets or anything of the sort.
Finally, I'm getting weird vibes from JeeJee, I need to go back and read up on his meta. JeeJee, what's the last game you rolled town (preferably a normal or mini)? I'm going to go check SNMMIII (i think that was the game) for your scum meta.
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