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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 30 2011 15:02 GMT
#561
This is why we post analysis at the end of the night, to avoid becoming a target for the Scum, and creating WIFOM.

Disregarding the nightkill for a while, I think Chaos13 is scummy for his craplogical push on Jackal, reasoning in my analysis post above.
:3
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
August 30 2011 15:51 GMT
#562
On August 31 2011 00:02 Forumite wrote:
This is why we post analysis at the end of the night, to avoid becoming a target for the Scum, and creating WIFOM.

Disregarding the nightkill for a while, I think Chaos13 is scummy for his craplogical push on Jackal, reasoning in my analysis post above.


Explain to me what about my argument for him being EA is wrong or illogical, and give me a better idea of who it could be. I'm always open to discussion.

With that in mind, you guys think I'm scummy. So pressure me. I'll answer to the best of my ability and if you still feel I'm anti-town after that, then I can relax knowing that at least I provided a bunch of information before being lynched and that I played the game as well as I can.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 30 2011 16:33 GMT
#563
If I were EA Chaos The Ferryman would not have been sane. I considered him to be high on the list of probable Psychs. Were I EA he would have been my night one visit.
If I were scum Chaos you would be dead today and not the Ferryman. So unless you are either A) The EA or B) Scum please kindly start looking for realsies instead of insisting I am something I'm not.
Of course if you are either scum or EA please continue to tunnel me.
Life can only kill you once.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
August 30 2011 16:38 GMT
#564
On August 30 2011 10:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm thinking we should

##Visit Chaos13

because of these two posts

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 07:10 chaos13 wrote:
On August 30 2011 02:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Psychologist visit Jackal.

If Jackal is the Psychologist, visit Chaos13.


I would suggest the Psychologist don't visit Jackal, precisely because he is the EA. I'm going to vote Jackal tomorrow and be pushing for his lynch, so what is the point in causing our psych to kill himself by visiting Jackal?


That's the whole point, it's like extra details we can help turn into a case against him


Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 22:09 chaos13 wrote:
On August 29 2011 21:33 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 29 2011 20:40 chaos13 wrote:
On August 29 2011 13:06 tnkted wrote:
I don't think it makes sense for jackal to bus his teamate this early... Unless you're suggesting he's EA, which I suppose is possible. I think jeejee > sevryn is our best bet right now.


Yes, Jackal is EA. I'm sure of it.

Really? And what brings you to that conclusion? My belief that scum are more dangerous to us than the EA at this stage of the game? I suggest you look at the two people with the least amount of posts in this game. One of them is the EA.


No, it's that you spent 3 hours looking for breadcrumbs. I know you've given an explanation already, but I'm not buying it. I can see taking 3 hours looking back through the thread and trying to analyze while you wait for him to call, but why were you looking for breadcrumbs? Let's go through each role and see what motivation they would have for that.

Townie - No logical reason. Maybe they're looking for psych/doctor, but what will they do with that information? They have no way to figure out if it is a lie or not, since anyone can breadcrumb anything when the role PM's are in the OP.

Doctor - Looking for psych so they can protect them. Unfortunately, this possibility is ruled out since Palmar already flipped doc.

Psychologist - Same as Townie. EA sure as hell isn't going to breadcrumb their role, and players don't know if they're sane or not so they can't crumb whether or not they've been visited. No point in it.

Mafia - Looking for doc or (maybe) psychologist to take them out early on.

EA - After there had been a plan or two pushed for that included the psychologist breadcrumbing their role, this makes perfect sense. Maybe the psych is an inexperienced player who did it before understanding how the plan was detrimental, or maybe they're an experienced player who did the same. EA wants to remove the only barrier to their win condition as soon as possible. Visit the psych, and you've reduced the number of sane players by 1 and also prevented future obstacles. The psych is the only one likely to have breadcrumbed (except mafia :p ) and now that the doc is dead the EA is the only one likely to be looking for it.


So the only two roles that it actually seems reasonable to spend so much time searching for crumbs are anti-town. Even in games as mafia when I was searching for crumbs to find blue roles I never spent that much time, and in this setup there are no hugely anti-mafia power roles.
As far as mafia is concerned, the psych helps them if they are visited by EA. This is the only logical conclusion. Jackal found JeeJee's post, and figured he could gain some town cred by pointing it out.


Why can't any role go through and try to figure out who's who?


##Vote Chaos13
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
TheFerryman
Profile Joined August 2011
United States39 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 17:12:55
August 30 2011 17:11 GMT
#565
gee, this was unexpected.

+ Show Spoiler +


nail the bastards for me!
"Don't pay the ferryman, until he gets you to the other side"
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
August 30 2011 18:19 GMT
#566
I'm not sold on a chaos lynch yet... he seems more like, dumb than someone posting scum objectives. Jackal clearly isn't EA or we'd have lost our psychologist.

Did we all abandon the wiggles lynch?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
August 30 2011 18:25 GMT
#567
On August 31 2011 01:33 Jackal58 wrote:
If I were EA Chaos The Ferryman would not have been sane. I considered him to be high on the list of probable Psychs. Were I EA he would have been my night one visit.
If I were scum Chaos you would be dead today and not the Ferryman. So unless you are either A) The EA or B) Scum please kindly start looking for realsies instead of insisting I am something I'm not.
Of course if you are either scum or EA please continue to tunnel me.


This is total wifom here. It would be so easy for you to say this from an EA or mafia perspective, so it doesn't go any length to convincing me you're town. With that said, I seem to be the only one suspicious of you, so pursuing you will do no good for today.


On August 31 2011 01:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

##Vote Chaos13


You're doing an excellent job of voting for me with no explanation and completely ignoring my request to pressure me if you think I'm suspicious. If you want to vote for me, don't leave the information where it's at. Ask me questions and see if my responses are still scummy. Point out the mafia/EA objectives I have been pushing this game. If at the end of the day I'm still your #1 suspect, so be it. Don't do a one-liner vote.

On August 31 2011 03:19 tnkted wrote:
I'm not sold on a chaos lynch yet... he seems more like, dumb than someone posting scum objectives. Jackal clearly isn't EA or we'd have lost our psychologist.

Did we all abandon the wiggles lynch?


Thanks :p

I'm doing my best here.



I'd like to find out from everyone why they think Jackal isn't the EA, because from my perspective he is the most likely candidate for it right now. Maybe some outside opinions will help me figure things out.

Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 30 2011 18:29 GMT
#568
On August 31 2011 03:19 tnkted wrote:
I'm not sold on a chaos lynch yet... he seems more like, dumb than someone posting scum objectives. Jackal clearly isn't EA or we'd have lost our psychologist.

Did we all abandon the wiggles lynch?

Unless you are either the EA or the Psychologist you cannot make that claim. No matter how true it is you possess no knowledge of who the Psychologist visited unless you are him. The other option is you are the EA.
Life can only kill you once.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
August 30 2011 18:30 GMT
#569
On August 31 2011 03:25 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 01:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

##Vote Chaos13


You're doing an excellent job of voting for me with no explanation and completely ignoring my request to pressure me if you think I'm suspicious. If you want to vote for me, don't leave the information where it's at. Ask me questions and see if my responses are still scummy. Point out the mafia/EA objectives I have been pushing this game. If at the end of the day I'm still your #1 suspect, so be it. Don't do a one-liner vote.


Take a second look at who I quoted
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 30 2011 18:33 GMT
#570
On August 31 2011 03:25 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 01:33 Jackal58 wrote:
If I were EA Chaos The Ferryman would not have been sane. I considered him to be high on the list of probable Psychs. Were I EA he would have been my night one visit.
If I were scum Chaos you would be dead today and not the Ferryman. So unless you are either A) The EA or B) Scum please kindly start looking for realsies instead of insisting I am something I'm not.
Of course if you are either scum or EA please continue to tunnel me.


This is total wifom here. It would be so easy for you to say this from an EA or mafia perspective, so it doesn't go any length to convincing me you're town. With that said, I seem to be the only one suspicious of you, so pursuing you will do no good for today.


Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 01:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

##Vote Chaos13


You're doing an excellent job of voting for me with no explanation and completely ignoring my request to pressure me if you think I'm suspicious. If you want to vote for me, don't leave the information where it's at. Ask me questions and see if my responses are still scummy. Point out the mafia/EA objectives I have been pushing this game. If at the end of the day I'm still your #1 suspect, so be it. Don't do a one-liner vote.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 03:19 tnkted wrote:
I'm not sold on a chaos lynch yet... he seems more like, dumb than someone posting scum objectives. Jackal clearly isn't EA or we'd have lost our psychologist.

Did we all abandon the wiggles lynch?


Thanks :p

I'm doing my best here.



I'd like to find out from everyone why they think Jackal isn't the EA, because from my perspective he is the most likely candidate for it right now. Maybe some outside opinions will help me figure things out.



Your only reason for calling me the EA is because I spent Sunday morning looking for breadcrumbs. I spent Sunday morning looking for breadcrumbs because I was sitting next to my phone waiting for my kid to call me. Let it go man. There are several other peoples in this game that have shown more interest in the Psych and the EA than I have. We also have 2 people that hardly post at all. Look at them first.
Life can only kill you once.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
August 30 2011 18:33 GMT
#571
On August 31 2011 03:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 03:25 chaos13 wrote:
On August 31 2011 01:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

##Vote Chaos13


You're doing an excellent job of voting for me with no explanation and completely ignoring my request to pressure me if you think I'm suspicious. If you want to vote for me, don't leave the information where it's at. Ask me questions and see if my responses are still scummy. Point out the mafia/EA objectives I have been pushing this game. If at the end of the day I'm still your #1 suspect, so be it. Don't do a one-liner vote.


Take a second look at who I quoted


I saw that. I also saw zero explanation of why you think I'm anti-town.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 30 2011 18:59 GMT
#572
Chaos, do you have any other analysis/reasoning to believe that Jackal is the EA besides that he found the breadcrumb? Can you relate his thread behaviour and posting in general to how he is the EA?

I'm wondering if you actually have anything stronger than just that he found the breadcrumb. Also, try to write it from an objective stand-point, and not one where you begin with the thought that he's already the EA.

Number of insane players: 1-3/10
you gotta dance
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
August 30 2011 19:22 GMT
#573
On August 31 2011 03:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Chaos, do you have any other analysis/reasoning to believe that Jackal is the EA besides that he found the breadcrumb? Can you relate his thread behaviour and posting in general to how he is the EA?

I'm wondering if you actually have anything stronger than just that he found the breadcrumb. Also, try to write it from an objective stand-point, and not one where you begin with the thought that he's already the EA.

Number of insane players: 1-3/10


Yes, I'll actually write a proper analysis later this afternoon that covers everything. I have to head out the door in a minute or two, so I don't have time to do it right now. # of insane players could actually be 0, if psych and EA visited the same person each night. EA's action goes through first, meaning the player is already insane once the pysch visits them, so they're cured of their insanity the same night it happens.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
August 30 2011 19:26 GMT
#574
On August 31 2011 03:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 03:19 tnkted wrote:
I'm not sold on a chaos lynch yet... he seems more like, dumb than someone posting scum objectives. Jackal clearly isn't EA or we'd have lost our psychologist.

Did we all abandon the wiggles lynch?

Unless you are either the EA or the Psychologist you cannot make that claim. No matter how true it is you possess no knowledge of who the Psychologist visited unless you are him. The other option is you are the EA.


I think I can make that claim assuming that the psychologist is following orders and visiting the person we voted for. We all voted for you, so we can assume that psych visited you and didn't die. That's what im basing that claim on.

Why, are you the EA?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 30 2011 19:37 GMT
#575
On August 31 2011 04:22 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 03:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Chaos, do you have any other analysis/reasoning to believe that Jackal is the EA besides that he found the breadcrumb? Can you relate his thread behaviour and posting in general to how he is the EA?

I'm wondering if you actually have anything stronger than just that he found the breadcrumb. Also, try to write it from an objective stand-point, and not one where you begin with the thought that he's already the EA.

Number of insane players: 1-3/10


Yes, I'll actually write a proper analysis later this afternoon that covers everything. I have to head out the door in a minute or two, so I don't have time to do it right now. # of insane players could actually be 0, if psych and EA visited the same person each night. EA's action goes through first, meaning the player is already insane once the pysch visits them, so they're cured of their insanity the same night it happens.


I know that, but EA counts as insane, so the minimum is 1.
you gotta dance
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 30 2011 21:13 GMT
#576
On August 31 2011 04:26 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 03:29 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 31 2011 03:19 tnkted wrote:
I'm not sold on a chaos lynch yet... he seems more like, dumb than someone posting scum objectives. Jackal clearly isn't EA or we'd have lost our psychologist.

Did we all abandon the wiggles lynch?

Unless you are either the EA or the Psychologist you cannot make that claim. No matter how true it is you possess no knowledge of who the Psychologist visited unless you are him. The other option is you are the EA.


I think I can make that claim assuming that the psychologist is following orders and visiting the person we voted for. We all voted for you, so we can assume that psych visited you and didn't die. That's what im basing that claim on.

Why, are you the EA?

Nope. EA is going to be Eiii or Erandorr.
Life can only kill you once.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 30 2011 21:29 GMT
#577
HEY
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 30 2011 21:31 GMT
#578
sorry its getting funny now :D
I am ultra super busy right now but i think i will be able to participate when my internship is done tomorrow
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 30 2011 22:03 GMT
#579
I like it how Erandorr come when you make a FoS on him =)

Chaos13, you haven´t seen/answered the FoS I sent on you, it went out just before the new day, and regards the same thing Cyber pointed out. Basically, it´s that you didn´t want to send the Psych on Jackal, who you think is the EA. You argued that it´s a waste to send the Psych to die, it might look that way, but it´s craplogic. If we get the EA because the Psych die finding him, then we can be much more sure on the lynch. Also, if we send the Psych and he doesn´t die, then we can be more or less sure that Jackal is not the EA. That´s the thing that looked bad, it looked like you wanted to make sure that Jackal was not cleared of EA-suspicion, so that you could lynch him today.

Anyway, I´m looking forward to that analysis on Jackal. I want to hear what made you so sure about Jackal that you thought a Psych verification was unnecessary.
:3
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 30 2011 23:21 GMT
#580
I have no idea if the Psych visited me or not. It wouldn't matter if he did unless I'm insane. I am not the EA. I cannot visit anybody at night. I cannot harm the Psych if he does visit me. I wish people would quit assuming that the Psych visited me. We have no idea if he did. We certainly don't want him claiming until the EA is dead. So please stop assuming I was visited. That kind of thinking is going to get us in a pickle.
Life can only kill you once.
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