Resurrection Mafia

On August 21 2011 06:06 redFF wrote:
/in for now, though if it starts before next friday i wont be able to play.

is it no flip?

On August 26 2011 09:01 iGrok wrote:
If there's not enough interest, I'll change it to a mini-mafia. We'll see once XLIV is done

On September 01 2011 23:08 redFF wrote:

this is not a good reason to fos and actually makes little to no sense.

current scumteam imo=varpulis, sinani, ace if i had to name it right now. i have ON as town, going out see ya guys later.

On September 01 2011 21:32 Palmar wrote:
So how about we lynch Varpulis and jcarlsoniv?

I think that'd be a good way to start the game.

Also, if sandroba doesn't start posting I'd be fine with lynching him.

I think redFF and chaos13 are almost definitely town, but I need more evidence to be conclusive.

On September 02 2011 06:14 Ace wrote:
Ace's Journal: Day 1 Entry 1

Behold! A new day! I've just gotten off the ship from the rich town of Senseville and landed in Liquidia. I heard there are endless opportunities for success around here, at least according to the tour guide. However, I've heard some rumors that there are some rather unsavory characters around here. Apparently some fellows think they are above the law, how terrible! I hope the commoners and the police find these bad people and deal with them. If I didn't have business to attend to I'd deal with them myself!

This is just my first entry but I'm sure it won't be my last! Time to see what exciting new things are out there, au revoir!

P.S. - there is a slight lingering smell of something like cheese around here. What is that?

On September 02 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:Ace and Jackal are just derps at this point, Jackal kindly provided us with a useless post about double lynches, and Ace is roleplaying. They've provided nothing that can be used to determine their alignment.. I expect a contribution from them or we get our daykiller guy to gun one of them down.

On September 01 2011 22:29 chaos13 wrote:


I'm hesitant on Varpulis, but I certainly don't get a good feeling from him. I can read his reaction as either a scum pissed off at votes coming in on D1 or as town being frustrated against a weak argument.

I see jcarlson as either probable town or strong scum. He seems like a solid player either way, but a the moment I'm leaning town on him and would not be okay voting for him.

redFF is probably town. This is his usual sort of town play - FoS everyone and everything for anything at all. When scum he lurks more.

On September 05 2011 09:31 sinani206 wrote:


I am a Coroner.

redFF was my Apprentice.

When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day)

So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else.

So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate.

Everyone, vote for Ace and bum. I am much more sure about bum being scum, just because this is the first game I've played with Ace.

Also, assuming we have a 1/1/1 scum team of Minion, Necromancer and Inhibitor, and that we only have one priest, one of the people revived today besides me has a power (one who must have been killed by the minion on Day 1) and the third person is a Zombie. Since we know it was a Minion shot that killed the second revival, and because Mafia had only 2 regular KP on Day 1, the Daywalker has not yet used his shot. If you feel confident, use your shot today, on Ace or bum. If not, we can just lynch both of them and win either way. EZ PZ.

On September 05 2011 09:38 Ace wrote:
oh noes Batman! What shall we do!

On September 05 2011 09:40 sandroba wrote:


Can you claim exactly what blue role you are? Mafia already knows you are blue and if you are not mafia you are getting shot either way.

On September 05 2011 09:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Why isn't it possible that you're the zombie? Or even sinani?

On September 05 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:


What is that, a medic?

On September 05 2011 09:45 sandroba wrote:


Okay jackal there is a possibility that you are mafia if somehow ace is town. Can you give us a full claim with text pls or if that is banned what your role does.

On September 05 2011 09:48 chaos13 wrote:
Jackal I have one problem with your claim.



Maybe it's a host slip and I'm seeing just seeing conspiracies, but the PM you describe gives away how you were returned to life.

On September 05 2011 09:50 sandroba wrote:
Also we should not lynch zombie today. We lynch bum who is 100% scum and ace who is 95% scum. That will keep kp neatly at one even if the game is not over somehow, so killing off ressed players is a waste today.

On September 05 2011 09:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:


But...you still died? lol



From OP

On September 05 2011 09:55 Drazerk wrote:


Got a PM when I died saying I MAY be revived and to continue reading the thread.

On September 05 2011 10:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Oh I understand. Did you try to protect someone night 1?

On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is".

On September 06 2011 00:13 chaos13 wrote:
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 4 scum in this setup. If it was a standard game, yeah probably just 3, but with the ability of town to confirm people like sinani and varp and resurrect them, and with roles like Daywalker (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be present) and Guardian Angel (assuming your claim is true) and the Pious Voter (assuming they don't suck at scumhunting) I would say town has a definite advantage that would be balanced out by 4 mafia. I don't want us to get stuck in a tunnel of believing there is only 3 scum and then be confused later.

I also don't think mafia will zombify ON. There would be no point to it. He would be lynched immediately so all they've done is made us waste a lynch. They don't actually gain KP from it in the end. Instead they're more likely to revive a town player that was lynched or killed. Why wouldn't they? It turns town against town, essentially, forcing us to use a lynch against our own members.

On September 06 2011 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wtf why would mafia not res ON? That's 1 KP, mafia plus zombie= 1 KP.

On September 06 2011 04:45 sandroba wrote:
If we kill both scum today it's game over afaik. If priest is alive target palmar.

On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
What's a VI?

Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.

No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.

That is rather fishy to me.

On September 06 2011 05:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
I didn't actually even think about that.

I think you might be right, Jackal. Also Kenpachi's last post is really makin me suspicious of him.

Lynch kenpachi instead of Ace?

On September 06 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:


Well, I'm almost positive ace is scum. He pushed the lynch on redFF ytd, but seen how absurd the idea was he didn't get much support except from the scum team. Also from his day1 play and considering the setup VI is very unlikely (there is double lynch and players get ressurected ffs).
Bum is 100% scum and ON was scum, so it's not like it's the end of the word if somehow we mislynch ace.

On September 06 2011 09:54 sandroba wrote:
I have no hard proof all I have is behaviour and logic. Mafia is indeed a game of assumptions and that's how you work out the most reasonable explanation. The hard facts I have is that kp was 2 + minion day1 and 1 day2, plus the fact that I've been roleblocked twice while voting bumatlarge when otherwise he would be lynched.

Now the number of mafia players present is an important expeculation. I've given many reasons already why a number of mafia greater than 3 would be imbalanced and in one of your posts you agree with my logic. It also can't be lower than 3 due to balance and kp from day1. That being said that does indeed confirm varpulis and sinani as town.

One thing I find funny is that you jump all over redFF's claim, but you say nothing about bum's. That is contradictory to your own personal logic. Look at bum's claim. If he was town and indeed had that role how would you use that? You would try to fucking confirm townies by checking lists that had one vote looking for pious. That would be the most obvious thing to do and probably imbalanced as it would 100% confirm a player to bum in that case. Yet you never bothered to look into his claim nor at his behaviour. I wonder why.

Another example of contradictory behaviour:


Why? How come? Don't you find it slightly intriguing that there is a medic on a setup that people can ressurect? Jackal is suddenly legit to you based on nothing, but somehow you think when other players use reasoning to deduce if a claim is likely or not to be legit than they are "jumping to conclusions". Nice double standards right there. Your rules only apply to others, but not to you when you are pushing your objectives.

On September 06 2011 10:15 sandroba wrote:
@Jackal That's not the point in my post. Are you convinced Ace is scum yet? =P

On September 06 2011 10:18 Ace wrote:


What happens if there is 4 Scum

On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote:


Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched?

lol what a scrub

On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote:
Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means.

On September 06 2011 11:46 chaos13 wrote:


Because ON is scum. Why make us lynch a scum twice when they can resurrect one of the townies they killed and make us lynch town?



Inhibitor (RB) is dead according to sinani. If Jackal goes for Sandroba, it shouldn't be for this reason. In fact, he shouldn't go for sandroba at all, because that way scum will know exactly who he's going for. Or maybe he should go for sandroba because scum now think he won't go for him.
Or maybe Jackal is mafia.

chaos13's To Do List
1. Lynch Ace
2. Lynch bumatlarge
3. Survive the night
4. Lynch jcarlsoniv, Kenpachi, and Jackal if the game isn't over.

Last remaining scum are in those five names.

On September 06 2011 22:34 sandroba wrote:
@jackal we know that priest is still alive (and not me because I've been roleblocked) based on the order the effects go through. Protect one wbg/chaos/kenpachi tonight, as one of those ought to be priest.

I'm a little puzzled about your claim and iGrok's flow chart of order of effects. How is a protection role even possible if other effects come after killing effects? huh?

On September 07 2011 00:06 sandroba wrote:

Yeah, but you realize your role makes little sense in this setup right? Just make sure you are aiming at the HP when you use if you are telling the truth.

On September 07 2011 04:58 wherebugsgo wrote:


Found it

Hit OR role block he says. igrok's last post says that's not possible.

Ace are you being purposely thick?

On September 07 2011 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


This also contradicts the OP.

On September 07 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
I mean, no doubt he was a minion shot, but how the hell would he KNOW he was shot by the minion? The OP says no players are told how they are resurrected, I can't believe this claim based on what Jackal is insinuating.

From what it says in the OP I'd suppose that revived players are informed at the end of the daycycle that they've been revived, and upon their death that they MAY be revived. Jackal is saying he pretty much knew he would be revived from the PM he got about his death.

On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.

None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.

The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that.

On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


LOL nice emotional appeal mate

I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic.

On September 07 2011 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


Yes, because clearly someone called you a dumbass.

On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.

None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.

The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that.

On September 07 2011 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote:


BTW Jackal just contradicted himself wrt to the zombie.

If I'm reading this (and his most recent post) correctly he's saying me and sandroba have started a shitstorm over Ace while completely ignoring the 0.5 KP zombie res that is Drazerk.

Well, if you thought that was a problem before why would you say that anyone who votes Drazerk would either be scum or dumb?

Either we're ignoring Drazerk because we're scumbuddies or we're ignoring Drazerk because we know there are mafia left to lynch. Make up your mind man

On September 07 2011 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I should clarify, the zeal with which you protect your claim despite it being contradictory (and these two contradictions being confirmed in the OP and by a mod clarification)

On September 07 2011 06:44 wherebugsgo wrote:


Here:



Mod clarification in red.



bolded red=contradicts mod clarification

bold=self contradiction plus rule regarding death contradiction. You say you're not going to tell us who you're protecting but then you claim you're protecting ON (apparently from being ressed.)



The blatant contradiction is that you told us you wouldn't say who you're targetting.

Well, now that you've said it you've thrown a bunch of WIFOM into the mix.

Then, I think a little less obvious self contradiction is this:

You said that you'd be "protecting" this person for the rest of the time you're alive. This doesn't make sense in the context of the target you chose to reveal because, if you wanted to prevent mafia from ressing ON then you would only have to "protect" him once.

So, in that case, why would you say that you would be protecting the same person the rest of the time you are alive?

On September 07 2011 10:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh but wait, I wanted to see Ace's "zomg wtf game ending power".

I am disappoint.

On September 07 2011 11:28 wherebugsgo wrote:


*rolls eyes*

You don't even have a case on me.

On September 07 2011 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote:




I said this exact same thing just a few posts ago.

NO YOU NEVER SAID THIS



We'll ultimately find out at the end of the game, but I'm not comfortable in a no flip setup with leaving someone alive who has directly contradicted himself, the OP, and a mod's clarification, for a total of 3 things that don't make sense in the context of the things that have happened in this game.

On September 08 2011 04:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure game ends only when there's no chance of a mafia member being revived.

If all mafia are currently dead and the HP derps and resses one the game can continue

On September 08 2011 12:02 chaos13 wrote:
This game needs some discussion.

On September 09 2011 10:02 chaos13 wrote:
If you guys wanted Jackal to be confirmed town after being killed N1, you shouldn't have killed Snowman and Drazerk. Palmar, Sandroba/Ace and Jackal would have been a brilliant move in that case.