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On August 21 2011 06:06 redFF wrote: /in for now, though if it starts before next friday i wont be able to play. is it no flip? If alignment is revealed on death scum would insta win. | ||
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On August 26 2011 09:01 iGrok wrote: If there's not enough interest, I'll change it to a mini-mafia. We'll see once XLIV is done It's not a lack of interest man. It's most of the people that play are moving back to school right now. Give it some time. It'll fill when people get back on their feet. | ||
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Might as well get it out of my system early. | ||
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Uncalled for Palmar. | ||
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On September 01 2011 23:08 redFF wrote: this is not a good reason to fos and actually makes little to no sense. current scumteam imo=varpulis, sinani, ace if i had to name it right now. i have ON as town, going out see ya guys later. On September 01 2011 21:32 Palmar wrote: So how about we lynch Varpulis and jcarlsoniv? I think that'd be a good way to start the game. Also, if sandroba doesn't start posting I'd be fine with lynching him. I think redFF and chaos13 are almost definitely town, but I need more evidence to be conclusive. How do you guys do this just 12 hours into a game? I still think everybody is scum. | ||
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On September 02 2011 06:14 Ace wrote: Ace's Journal: Day 1 Entry 1 Behold! A new day! I've just gotten off the ship from the rich town of Senseville and landed in Liquidia. I heard there are endless opportunities for success around here, at least according to the tour guide. However, I've heard some rumors that there are some rather unsavory characters around here. Apparently some fellows think they are above the law, how terrible! I hope the commoners and the police find these bad people and deal with them. If I didn't have business to attend to I'd deal with them myself! This is just my first entry but I'm sure it won't be my last! Time to see what exciting new things are out there, au revoir! P.S. - there is a slight lingering smell of something like cheese around here. What is that? ~End~ I believe it is emanating from this post I quoted. | ||
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The scum rb mechanic is going to be in play anyways. Many times there are 3 people gathering votes. We need to constantly watch the #2 and # 3 candidates to see if they are being manipulated. | ||
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On September 02 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:Ace and Jackal are just derps at this point, Jackal kindly provided us with a useless post about double lynches, and Ace is roleplaying. They've provided nothing that can be used to determine their alignment.. I expect a contribution from them or we get our daykiller guy to gun one of them down. My comment on Sandroba's plan was the only post worth commenting on at the time I commented on it. The only thing else going on at that point was a giant NO U!!!!! fest between you and Varp. Ace has done what Ace always does. He's called us all a bunch of morons. I have about a half hour to reread the last two pages and decide who I want to vote for and why and then I'll be gone for the next 12 or so. | ||
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On September 01 2011 22:29 chaos13 wrote: I'm hesitant on Varpulis, but I certainly don't get a good feeling from him. I can read his reaction as either a scum pissed off at votes coming in on D1 or as town being frustrated against a weak argument. I see jcarlson as either probable town or strong scum. He seems like a solid player either way, but a the moment I'm leaning town on him and would not be okay voting for him. redFF is probably town. This is his usual sort of town play - FoS everyone and everything for anything at all. When scum he lurks more. This makes no sense to me. "I think he's town but I'm going to plant a little scummy seed" Chaos started with the same "Don't Spam My Game or I'll be Pissed Off" post that he did in Werewolves. Ya he was scum there too. ##VOTE: Chaos13 | ||
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I was minion hit. I received a PM from iGrok when I died advising me to continue watching the game because I would be resurrected at the beginning of the next day. The only thing that fits that is a minion hit. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:31 sinani206 wrote: OK, this is the deal. I am a Coroner. redFF was my Apprentice. When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day) So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else. So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate. Everyone, vote for Ace and bum. I am much more sure about bum being scum, just because this is the first game I've played with Ace. Also, assuming we have a 1/1/1 scum team of Minion, Necromancer and Inhibitor, and that we only have one priest, one of the people revived today besides me has a power (one who must have been killed by the minion on Day 1) and the third person is a Zombie. Since we know it was a Minion shot that killed the second revival, and because Mafia had only 2 regular KP on Day 1, the Daywalker has not yet used his shot. If you feel confident, use your shot today, on Ace or bum. If not, we can just lynch both of them and win either way. EZ PZ. I agree with all of this. This leaves Drazerk as a Zombie. I'd say Daywalker shoot him, we lynch Bum and Ace. If we are wrong on one of them we should still destroy scum KP. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:38 Ace wrote: oh noes Batman! What shall we do! Hang by your necks until dead? | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:40 sandroba wrote: Can you claim exactly what blue role you are? Mafia already knows you are blue and if you are not mafia you are getting shot either way. Guardian Angel | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why isn't it possible that you're the zombie? Or even sinani? Because I was told when I died I would be ressed | ||
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Yes. Kind of. I block all visits. My spread wings prevent the entry of all evil doers. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:45 sandroba wrote: Okay jackal there is a possibility that you are mafia if somehow ace is town. Can you give us a full claim with text pls or if that is banned what your role does. See above | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:48 chaos13 wrote: Jackal I have one problem with your claim. Maybe it's a host slip and I'm seeing just seeing conspiracies, but the PM you describe gives away how you were returned to life. If iGrok allows it I will copy and paste my death notice. Sinani and Drazerk did you get a PM when you died? | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:50 sandroba wrote: Also we should not lynch zombie today. We lynch bum who is 100% scum and ace who is 95% scum. That will keep kp neatly at one even if the game is not over somehow, so killing off ressed players is a waste today. I agree. Drazerk is not lynch bait. Anybody that votes for him is scum or dumb. He is a good day vig shot though. Nothing personal Drazerk but reading the thread while I was dead leads me to the conclusion that sinani was ressed and you are reanimated. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: But...you still died? lol From OP I can't protect myself. That would be a cool role though. Claim day 1 and game over. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:55 Drazerk wrote: Got a PM when I died saying I MAY be revived and to continue reading the thread. Mine stated I would be. | ||
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On September 05 2011 10:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh I understand. Did you try to protect someone night 1? We don't have nights. I protected Palmar day 1 Bum I haven't made half a claim. I'm Guardian Angel. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. iGrok has informed me via PM that copying any parts of my PMs from him will violate rule 6 and result in a modkill. So don't ask. | ||
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On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is". If Ace isn't scum you most likely are. | ||
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Kenpachi needs to vote for Ace. Do it Kenpachi. On September 05 2011 10:10 iGrok wrote: If all mafia are killed, and some can possibly be revived, the game goes on. So if Ace and Bum are both scum and both lynched today the game still isn't over? Even if ON is ressed as a Zombie we still have to wait one more day cycle to ensure our High Priest isn't high and resses Bum or Ace? This is assuming 3 scum only. KP would lend itself to 3 scum only scenario. | ||
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On September 06 2011 00:13 chaos13 wrote: I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 4 scum in this setup. If it was a standard game, yeah probably just 3, but with the ability of town to confirm people like sinani and varp and resurrect them, and with roles like Daywalker (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be present) and Guardian Angel (assuming your claim is true) and the Pious Voter (assuming they don't suck at scumhunting) I would say town has a definite advantage that would be balanced out by 4 mafia. I don't want us to get stuck in a tunnel of believing there is only 3 scum and then be confused later. I also don't think mafia will zombify ON. There would be no point to it. He would be lynched immediately so all they've done is made us waste a lynch. They don't actually gain KP from it in the end. Instead they're more likely to revive a town player that was lynched or killed. Why wouldn't they? It turns town against town, essentially, forcing us to use a lynch against our own members. O_- | ||
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On September 06 2011 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf why would mafia not res ON? That's 1 KP, mafia plus zombie= 1 KP. Wow. Do they add together? [green]Does scum KP add together for a zombified scum member?[/green} | ||
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On September 06 2011 04:45 sandroba wrote: If we kill both scum today it's game over afaik. If priest is alive target palmar. Agreed. Res Palmar. Consider nobody else. I'm not 100% convinced of Ace's scumminess. He's playing more like a VI. jcarlsoniv looks more like scum than Ace. Ace is scary fucking good. | ||
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On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote: What's a VI? Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON. No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba. That is rather fishy to me. A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched. Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off. Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers? This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum. (Sorry to open old wounds Bum) | ||
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On September 06 2011 05:08 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't actually even think about that. I think you might be right, Jackal. Also Kenpachi's last post is really makin me suspicious of him. Lynch kenpachi instead of Ace? Trying to get a read off of Kenpachi is next to impossible. He plays every game like a VI. I don't believe I have played with jcarl before. If I have I died day 1 or 2 and didn't pay any attention to him. You say he's experienced? Right now I think I'd prefer a jcarl lynch. His defense of Bum and his excuse for it screams scum at me. Everything Kenpachi posts just screams trololololo. | ||
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On September 06 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote: Well, I'm almost positive ace is scum. He pushed the lynch on redFF ytd, but seen how absurd the idea was he didn't get much support except from the scum team. Also from his day1 play and considering the setup VI is very unlikely (there is double lynch and players get ressurected ffs). Bum is 100% scum and ON was scum, so it's not like it's the end of the word if somehow we mislynch ace. I'm not worried about a mislynch. I'm worried about something nasty happening to us when we do lynch him. Ace's scum play is not this transparent. Your zeal bothers me. Step back and rethink your position. This is not a normal setup. Lynching Ace is a scary proposition in my opinion. If Day vig is in this game shoot Ace now. Please. | ||
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On September 06 2011 09:54 sandroba wrote: I have no hard proof all I have is behaviour and logic. Mafia is indeed a game of assumptions and that's how you work out the most reasonable explanation. The hard facts I have is that kp was 2 + minion day1 and 1 day2, plus the fact that I've been roleblocked twice while voting bumatlarge when otherwise he would be lynched. Now the number of mafia players present is an important expeculation. I've given many reasons already why a number of mafia greater than 3 would be imbalanced and in one of your posts you agree with my logic. It also can't be lower than 3 due to balance and kp from day1. That being said that does indeed confirm varpulis and sinani as town. One thing I find funny is that you jump all over redFF's claim, but you say nothing about bum's. That is contradictory to your own personal logic. Look at bum's claim. If he was town and indeed had that role how would you use that? You would try to fucking confirm townies by checking lists that had one vote looking for pious. That would be the most obvious thing to do and probably imbalanced as it would 100% confirm a player to bum in that case. Yet you never bothered to look into his claim nor at his behaviour. I wonder why. Another example of contradictory behaviour: Why? How come? Don't you find it slightly intriguing that there is a medic on a setup that people can ressurect? Jackal is suddenly legit to you based on nothing, but somehow you think when other players use reasoning to deduce if a claim is likely or not to be legit than they are "jumping to conclusions". Nice double standards right there. Your rules only apply to others, but not to you when you are pushing your objectives. I'm more than a medic Sandroba. I block all evil from the person I decide to protect. This includes any actions scum use on a person. It does not stop the daywalker or pious voters. Only scum actions. So I'm not a medic in the traditional sense. Town can still kill the person I protect. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:15 sandroba wrote: @Jackal That's not the point in my post. Are you convinced Ace is scum yet? =P I'm convinced he needs to die. I'll be convinced he was scum if we live through it. Although his last rant moved him closer to scum than VI for me. But I still don't discount that possibility. His earlier play does not fit his scum MO. I'm sorry but Ace's ability to manipulate people scares me. | ||
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What happens if I start farting rainbows? You berated people for looking for things outside of the OP and creating scenarios to fit their imaginings. And now you're creating what if scenarios? Ya you're scum. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote: Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub No you haven't. You've appear to be bound and determined to make it happen. That's what scares me. I still don't believe you're town aligned. | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote: Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It means Coroner gets role and alignment back as soon as iGrok receives the request. Wtf does this have to do with ressing Varpulis? | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:46 chaos13 wrote: Because ON is scum. Why make us lynch a scum twice when they can resurrect one of the townies they killed and make us lynch town? Inhibitor (RB) is dead according to sinani. If Jackal goes for Sandroba, it shouldn't be for this reason. In fact, he shouldn't go for sandroba at all, because that way scum will know exactly who he's going for. Or maybe he should go for sandroba because scum now think he won't go for him. Or maybe Jackal is mafia. chaos13's To Do List 1. Lynch Ace 2. Lynch bumatlarge 3. Survive the night 4. Lynch jcarlsoniv, Kenpachi, and Jackal if the game isn't over. Last remaining scum are in those five names. It gives them KP Chaos. 1 for ON being scum .5 for ON being Zombiefied. iGrok answered this a couple pages ago. It also gives them their role blocker back. It also forces us to lynch known scum. Effectively removing one of our lynches. And if you didn't call me scum at least once I'd be disappointed. | ||
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On September 06 2011 22:34 sandroba wrote: @jackal we know that priest is still alive (and not me because I've been roleblocked) based on the order the effects go through. Protect one wbg/chaos/kenpachi tonight, as one of those ought to be priest. I'm a little puzzled about your claim and iGrok's flow chart of order of effects. How is a protection role even possible if other effects come after killing effects? huh? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11254029 It's not in other effects. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. It's a blocking effect. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. If I have chosen a person to protect and scum try to hit them or role block them they are blocked. Scum cannot target a person I am protecting. I have already picked the person I am protecting. I will in all likelihood continue to protect this person as long as I am still alive. No I'm not telling you who it is. | ||
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On September 07 2011 00:06 sandroba wrote: Yeah, but you realize your role makes little sense in this setup right? Just make sure you are aiming at the HP when you use if you are telling the truth. What doesn't make sense? With the scum team being able to increase their KP through the use of zombies it makes perfect sense. Without lynching any scum by day 3 scum kp would have been at 3. And yes I believe we lynched scum. Their kp indicates that. What doesn't make sense? | ||
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On September 07 2011 04:58 wherebugsgo wrote: Found it Hit OR role block he says. igrok's last post says that's not possible. Ace are you being purposely thick? Ya because they can't visit them. Are you intentionally thick? | ||
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Ask iGrok. I can't speak for his reasons. | ||
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On September 07 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote: I mean, no doubt he was a minion shot, but how the hell would he KNOW he was shot by the minion? The OP says no players are told how they are resurrected, I can't believe this claim based on what Jackal is insinuating. From what it says in the OP I'd suppose that revived players are informed at the end of the daycycle that they've been revived, and upon their death that they MAY be revived. Jackal is saying he pretty much knew he would be revived from the PM he got about his death. Ask iGrok. | ||
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On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP. None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway. The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that. | ||
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On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL nice emotional appeal mate I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic. No that's my response to somebody calling me a dumbass. | ||
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On September 07 2011 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote: Yes, because clearly someone called you a dumbass. On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP. None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway. The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Half your posts in this game are condescending to the person you disagree with. I suck as town because I claimed? I suck as town because I wanted town to know who the Zombie was? I suck as town because scum know I'm blue? I suck as town because Sandroba asked me to claim since he understood that scum knows I'm blue? I suck as town because I know how you derps act if somebody doesn't comply with your wishes? I suck as town because iGrok either accidentally or intentionally told me I would be resurrected? Stick it in you ear Bugs. | ||
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On September 07 2011 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote: BTW Jackal just contradicted himself wrt to the zombie. If I'm reading this (and his most recent post) correctly he's saying me and sandroba have started a shitstorm over Ace while completely ignoring the 0.5 KP zombie res that is Drazerk. Well, if you thought that was a problem before why would you say that anyone who votes Drazerk would either be scum or dumb? Either we're ignoring Drazerk because we're scumbuddies or we're ignoring Drazerk because we know there are mafia left to lynch. Make up your mind man Where did I contradict myself? I said if I had known what the day was going to bring I would never have opened my mouth about who the Zombie was. Nobody has mentioned his name in the last 8 pages. | ||
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On September 07 2011 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I should clarify, the zeal with which you protect your claim despite it being contradictory (and these two contradictions being confirmed in the OP and by a mod clarification) Show me the mod clarification. | ||
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On September 07 2011 06:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Here: Mod clarification in red. bolded red=contradicts mod clarification bold=self contradiction plus rule regarding death contradiction. You say you're not going to tell us who you're protecting but then you claim you're protecting ON (apparently from being ressed.) The blatant contradiction is that you told us you wouldn't say who you're targetting. Well, now that you've said it you've thrown a bunch of WIFOM into the mix. Then, I think a little less obvious self contradiction is this: You said that you'd be "protecting" this person for the rest of the time you're alive. This doesn't make sense in the context of the target you chose to reveal because, if you wanted to prevent mafia from ressing ON then you would only have to "protect" him once. So, in that case, why would you say that you would be protecting the same person the rest of the time you are alive? Clarified your clarification I just got home from work. I have about 10 minutes before I leave for bowling. I received a PM telling me my role is apparently imba and I can only visit the living. It originally said all players that may be remaining in the game. And yes you pissed me off. So I said what I was doing. You want me to wait til there is 5 minutes left to tell you like Bum did? You'd call me scum for that too. The more I thought about it on my ride home the more it seemed to me that you are the remaining scum. The only people I ever see work so hard to get a person with a protection role lynched is scum. Your arguments against my role are the same arguments you call Ace "noob" repeatedly for using. You can't have it both ways. Odds are I'll be dead shortly. You don't want to waste a shot on me if you can get me lynched. And ya it's easy to say you'll lynch me tomorrow if the games not over because you know the game won't be over either. I hate making an OMGUS but dude you're scum. And btw Ace isn't scum. He doesn't want to get lynched. He wants scum to shoot him. I'd rather he stayed alive for a while. Oh and if you do want to lynch me don't be last to vote for me because you will die. I'm compelled to tell you that after I have received a vote. I am the Guardian Angel. I didn't write my role. I just got stuck with it. | ||
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On September 07 2011 10:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh but wait, I wanted to see Ace's "zomg wtf game ending power". I am disappoint. Ace needed to be shot. That's what his big game ending bs was trying to provoke. Since nobody else seems inclined to ask him iGrok did you tell me I would be revived in my death notice? Squash the bugs. WBG is scum. | ||
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ON is role blocker.He's more dangerous. | ||
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On September 07 2011 11:28 wherebugsgo wrote: *rolls eyes* You don't even have a case on me. More than you have on me. Your behavior screams scum. | ||
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##UNVOTE: ON ##VOTE: wherebugsgo Ask yourselves if you really think Ace was scum. Who pushed the hardest for it? Ask yourselves if you think I'm scum. Who's pushing again. We got a smart bug here folks. One that's directing us straight into oblivion. Go ahead and lynch me. Bug's gonna win if you do. And bugs are scummy. | ||
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On September 07 2011 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I said this exact same thing just a few posts ago. NO YOU NEVER SAID THIS We'll ultimately find out at the end of the game, but I'm not comfortable in a no flip setup with leaving someone alive who has directly contradicted himself, the OP, and a mod's clarification, for a total of 3 things that don't make sense in the context of the things that have happened in this game. At this point everybody vote ON except for WBG. I'm pretty sure it will be game over. Cause this scummy bug will die with me. | ||
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And when I say it's game over I mean the game isn't ending and Bugs is going to get you all to follow him straight into the gates of hell. I'll be back after the next day post to laugh at you all. Ya I'm pissed. | ||
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On September 08 2011 04:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure game ends only when there's no chance of a mafia member being revived. If all mafia are currently dead and the HP derps and resses one the game can continue I'm pretty sure you kicked everybody's ass. If all the mafia are dead bro why you want to kill me? I'm sure you'll have your buddy Bum back shortly. Scummy bug. I'm sure you have some double speak for that one too. I can't believe you guys are listening to this pile of scum. | ||
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Squash the bug. | ||
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On September 08 2011 12:02 chaos13 wrote: This game needs some discussion. This game needs some: | ||
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My god that was fucking stupid. Fuck you Bugs. | ||
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On September 09 2011 10:02 chaos13 wrote: If you guys wanted Jackal to be confirmed town after being killed N1, you shouldn't have killed Snowman and Drazerk. Palmar, Sandroba/Ace and Jackal would have been a brilliant move in that case. I didn't know Batman was going to shoot me. That was thought up and executed all on his own. I should have just played stupid. Like the guy that shot me. | ||
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