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Jackal58
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
If you want to yell and get super angry, save it until after the game. I'll be revealing the entire setup then anyways. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On September 07 2011 05:47 Jackal58 wrote: Half your posts in this game are condescending to the person you disagree with. I suck as town because I claimed? I suck as town because I wanted town to know who the Zombie was? I suck as town because scum know I'm blue? I suck as town because Sandroba asked me to claim since he understood that scum knows I'm blue? I suck as town because I know how you derps act if somebody doesn't comply with your wishes? I suck as town because iGrok either accidentally or intentionally told me I would be resurrected? Stick it in you ear Bugs. Whatever, if the game does not end we lynch you tomorrow. Also protecting ON does nothing. We can lynch him tomorrow along with someone else and his kp will never come into play, specially now you've said you are going to do it. If you are town and all those coincidences are indeed true just protect one of wbg/chaos/kenpachi because one of those is priest and that is the most important town role atm. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Here: On September 07 2011 02:07 iGrok wrote: Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. No effects on the same tier can affect each other. So, you cannot block a block. Killing a Vig does not prevent his kill. Etc. unless otherwise specified. Mod clarification in red. On September 06 2011 23:41 Jackal58 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11254029 It's not in other effects. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. It's a blocking effect. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. If I have chosen a person to protect and scum try to hit them or role block them they are blocked. Scum cannot target a person I am protecting. I have already picked the person I am protecting. I will in all likelihood continue to protect this person as long as I am still alive. No I'm not telling you who it is. bolded red=contradicts mod clarification bold=self contradiction plus rule regarding death contradiction. You say you're not going to tell us who you're protecting but then you claim you're protecting ON (apparently from being ressed.) On September 07 2011 05:30 Jackal58 wrote: Oh and the person I've targeted from evildoers today is ON. You fucking figure it out. The blatant contradiction is that you told us you wouldn't say who you're targetting. Well, now that you've said it you've thrown a bunch of WIFOM into the mix. Then, I think a little less obvious self contradiction is this: You said that you'd be "protecting" this person for the rest of the time you're alive. This doesn't make sense in the context of the target you chose to reveal because, if you wanted to prevent mafia from ressing ON then you would only have to "protect" him once. So, in that case, why would you say that you would be protecting the same person the rest of the time you are alive? | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:00 Jackal58 wrote: I'm leaving. I won't be back until well after day post. If you guys do decide to lynch me get your votes in early because the last one to vote for me dies with me. And in case you missed it I am visiting our recently departed ON. You figure it out. ill confirm it scapegoatsss ##unvote Ace ##voet Jackal58 | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Here: Mod clarification in red. bolded red=contradicts mod clarification bold=self contradiction plus rule regarding death contradiction. You say you're not going to tell us who you're protecting but then you claim you're protecting ON (apparently from being ressed.) The blatant contradiction is that you told us you wouldn't say who you're targetting. Well, now that you've said it you've thrown a bunch of WIFOM into the mix. Then, I think a little less obvious self contradiction is this: You said that you'd be "protecting" this person for the rest of the time you're alive. This doesn't make sense in the context of the target you chose to reveal because, if you wanted to prevent mafia from ressing ON then you would only have to "protect" him once. So, in that case, why would you say that you would be protecting the same person the rest of the time you are alive? Clarified your clarification I just got home from work. I have about 10 minutes before I leave for bowling. I received a PM telling me my role is apparently imba and I can only visit the living. It originally said all players that may be remaining in the game. And yes you pissed me off. So I said what I was doing. You want me to wait til there is 5 minutes left to tell you like Bum did? You'd call me scum for that too. The more I thought about it on my ride home the more it seemed to me that you are the remaining scum. The only people I ever see work so hard to get a person with a protection role lynched is scum. Your arguments against my role are the same arguments you call Ace "noob" repeatedly for using. You can't have it both ways. Odds are I'll be dead shortly. You don't want to waste a shot on me if you can get me lynched. And ya it's easy to say you'll lynch me tomorrow if the games not over because you know the game won't be over either. I hate making an OMGUS but dude you're scum. And btw Ace isn't scum. He doesn't want to get lynched. He wants scum to shoot him. I'd rather he stayed alive for a while. Oh and if you do want to lynch me don't be last to vote for me because you will die. I'm compelled to tell you that after I have received a vote. I am the Guardian Angel. I didn't write my role. I just got stuck with it. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 07 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote: Clarified your clarification I just got home from work. I have about 10 minutes before I leave for bowling. I received a PM telling me my role is apparently imba and I can only visit the living. It originally said all players that may be remaining in the game. I don't really know what to make of this part This could mean almost anything at this point, but I guess it means ON is off limits. On September 07 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote: And yes you pissed me off. So I said what I was doing. You want me to wait til there is 5 minutes left to tell you like Bum did? You'd call me scum for that too. I would call you scum for that, because telling us who you're targetting, regardless of when you do it, is in direct contradiction to what you said earlier about not revealing your target. Wishy washiness is scummy. On September 07 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote: The more I thought about it on my ride home the more it seemed to me that you are the remaining scum. The only people I ever see work so hard to get a person with a protection role lynched is scum. Your arguments against my role are the same arguments you call Ace "noob" repeatedly for using. You can't have it both ways. Odds are I'll be dead shortly. You don't want to waste a shot on me if you can get me lynched. And ya it's easy to say you'll lynch me tomorrow if the games not over because you know the game won't be over either. I hate making an OMGUS but dude you're scum. If you're truly town then you need to stop accusing me based on your emotions and actually go back and read my posts. I keep calling Ace a noob because I was responding to his trolling with trolling of my own. I thought that was the only effective way to get any sort of information out of him. Not to mention, I'm not the only one trolling (or insulting Ace, specifically) Finally, no, actually, they're not the same arguments I use for demeaning Ace. RedFF actually never made a blatant mod-confirmed contradiction. He made a really bad claim (which is why I said I was bothered by the multiple claims that just seem fishy) and I even acknowledged that I found red's claim really scummy at first. Then, when I actually went back and analyzed the possible reasons a mafia would claim like that, I found none. His behavior doesn't suggest a mafia agenda, and there are no clear contradictions to the OP. He just wasn't clear about his role. Ace has focused on the "one corpse a day" thing based on semantics when he can't actually establish a proper contradiction. Nowhere in the OP does it say that a coroner can only use one per day, and iGrok has not said that in any clarification of the rules either. He HAS, however, said that blocking effects cannot affect other blocking effects. On September 07 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote: And btw Ace isn't scum. He doesn't want to get lynched. He wants scum to shoot him. I'd rather he stayed alive for a while. I said this exact same thing just a few posts ago. On September 07 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote: Oh and if you do want to lynch me don't be last to vote for me because you will die. I'm compelled to tell you that after I have received a vote. I am the Guardian Angel. I didn't write my role. I just got stuck with it. We'll ultimately find out at the end of the game, but I'm not comfortable in a no flip setup with leaving someone alive who has directly contradicted himself, the OP, and a mod's clarification, for a total of 3 things that don't make sense in the context of the things that have happened in this game. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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You said that you'd be "protecting" this person for the rest of the time you're alive. This doesn't make sense in the context of the target you chose to reveal because, if you wanted to prevent mafia from ressing ON then you would only have to "protect" him once. So, in that case, why would you say that you would be protecting the same person the rest of the time you are alive? | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Like this one: On September 06 2011 23:43 Jackal58 wrote: As I also stated before I do not block town aligned actions. A town roleblocker that doesn't block town actions seems rather imba to me. Almost as if a mafia is fake claiming. They can make sure that their team doesn't hit the claimed target, but this is a perfect reason for when a HP or some other role visits their claimed one and it goes through anyway. On September 07 2011 02:26 sandroba wrote: Okay iGrok just edited and added "unless otherwise specified". I'm fine with lynching ace today as long as we make sure jackal gets lynched tomorrow if the game does not end. Maybe ace is just being stuborn about his redFF + sinani scum team. A question that no one has asked yet is why mafia used their minion shot on jackal. One possible explanation is that bum was minion so they had to use it on day1, so they couldn't take the risk of bum getting lynched and wasting their shot. But then why shoot jackal when their kills were sknowman/drazerk/jackal? Seriously who is less likely to be blue amongst those 3? Certainly not jackal. The explanation that makes the most sense would shoot the necro thus making 2 necros by today when jackal revived, in adition to creating confusion. TL;DR jackal is likely scum instead of ace. Instead of? No. With Ace? Probably. I hinted at this exact line of thought earlier, but wasn't going to bring it up until tomorrow to avoid the mayhem that's been brought up right now. Votes need to stay on bum and Ace right now imo, we can worry about jcarl, Kenpachi, and Jackal tomorrow. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 07 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote: Clarified your clarification I just got home from work. I have about 10 minutes before I leave for bowling. I received a PM telling me my role is apparently imba and I can only visit the living. It originally said all players that may be remaining in the game. And yes you pissed me off. So I said what I was doing. You want me to wait til there is 5 minutes left to tell you like Bum did? You'd call me scum for that too. The more I thought about it on my ride home the more it seemed to me that you are the remaining scum. The only people I ever see work so hard to get a person with a protection role lynched is scum. Your arguments against my role are the same arguments you call Ace "noob" repeatedly for using. You can't have it both ways. Odds are I'll be dead shortly. You don't want to waste a shot on me if you can get me lynched. And ya it's easy to say you'll lynch me tomorrow if the games not over because you know the game won't be over either. I hate making an OMGUS but dude you're scum. And btw Ace isn't scum. He doesn't want to get lynched. He wants scum to shoot him. I'd rather he stayed alive for a while. Oh and if you do want to lynch me don't be last to vote for me because you will die. I'm compelled to tell you that after I have received a vote. I am the Guardian Angel. I didn't write my role. I just got stuck with it. Actually, quite the opposite. Ace told me to leave my vote on him. This makes it apparent that he does wish to be lynched. But this worries me. It doesn't sit right with me. This doesn't feel like Ace scum play as a couple people have said before. But I don't know the likelihood of a 3rd party role in this set up. I'm somewhat inclined to believe Ace's claim of a super awesome power, but at the same time, I don't want to trust it. Not quite sure how to handle it. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 07 2011 08:15 chaos13 wrote: WBG, your main argument about Jackal saying he can block blocks reminds me a lot of Ace's argument about the coroner only being able to check one person per day. I doubt iGrok would have gone through the trouble of making it expressly clear that Jackal could not roleblock roleblocks. If you want to disbelieve his claim, find another reason for it. Okay, let me see if I can make this a little bit more clear. First, the similarities between my argument and Ace's: a. Ace claimed that redFF's coroner apprentice claim contradicts what's in the OP regarding the coroner. b. I claimed that Jackal's resurrection claim contradicts what's in the OP regarding what people know about being resurrected. That's pretty much where the similarities end. You yourself, chaos, pointed out that there's a discrepancy with what Jackal said about his revival PM and what appears in the OP. If you want to argue that my main argument sounds like Ace's then you have to compare my argument about Jackal's resurrection PM to redFF's coroner claim. So, let's do that. 1. redFF's coroner claim shows no direct contradiction with the information in the OP. Ace's argument hinges on the "one check per day" when no such wording exists in the OP. If, hypothetically, redFF claimed HP and said he resurrected two people (sinani and Drazerk, let's say) and can't resurrect anymore because he has no resses left, THEN redFF's claim would have contradicted the OP because the role text for HP specifically states only one res per day, UNLIKE the coroner role which uses different wording. This, coupled with red's behavior leads to my conclusion that red had no malicious intent with the way that he role claimed. The only possible contradiction in redFF's claim is with respect to his "two claims a day" thing, which also is not a direct contradiction. Finally, for assurance, sinani's argument supported redFF's claim. Ace argues that they had knowledge of each others' existence but he never actually establishes this, he just implies it. Thus, I can't accept Ace's argument, it's not actually logically sound. It's an implication based upon two false assumptions. 2. On the other hand, my accusation of Jackal hinges upon something you yourself pointed out: no one is told how a player has been revived, and dead players are not told they have been revived until the end of the 48 hours. On September 05 2011 09:20 iGrok wrote: Not green but I'll answer it anyways. Revived Players are pm'd that they have been revived and may post again. They are not told how they were revived (Resurrection/Re-animation). I mean, we can clarify this with iGrok if you so desire; I'll put my question to him at the end of the post. In fact, we could have Drazerk and Sinani answer this for us too, since they were both revived as well! Lastly, again, this is only 1/3 of my accusation, and it is the only thing that can be directly compared with Ace's argument against redFF and sinani. The 2/3 of my argument that are not comparable with Ace's argument: Jackal's self contradiction with respect to revealing who he is targetting, and how long he'll be targetting that player. (think about it, if his intention was to block resses on ON then he would never add the part about permanently keeping his action there. One block and ON can never be revived again, then Jackal is free to change his target) The contradiction between Jackal's roleclaim and iGrok stating that blocking effects cannot affect other blocking effects. I would believe the assertion about iGrok making a mistake if and only if it was the only occasion that such a coincidence would have relevance. However, Jackal's defense requires that this happen not once but twice. Lastly, his behavior (unlike redFF) is suggestive of a mafia agenda. @Sinani, Drazerk: were you told that you were going to be revived in a manner that is consistent with what is shown in the OP? @ iGrok Are dead players who are revived, by any means including priest resurrection, necromancer reanimation, minion resurrection, or other ways not specified, messaged that they will be revived at the end of the 48 hour period following their death or as soon as it is apparent that they will be revived (i.e. you have received an action from the minion/necro/priest)? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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chaos13
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
jcarl, Kenpachi, Jackal. As well as ON, Ace, bum if they end up back amongst the living. Oh and kill the zombie(s). | ||
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iGrok
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/confessional.jpg) End of Day 3 Thanks to Curu for writing the text! PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL TEXT IS FLAVOUR AND HAS NO INDICATION TOWARDS ALIGNMENT OR ROLE sandroba fled through the monastery, nervously avoiding the shadows cast by the giant marble pillars stretching down the hall. His footsteps echoed loudly throughout the seemingly deserted path, each step multiplying a hundredfold, sandroba panting in barely controlled horror as he tried hard not to think about which footsteps were his own echoes and which belonged to something more sinister. sandroba reached the end of the hall, his way barred by giant oaken doors. The hinges squeaked and groaned in protest as sandroba wrenched it open, wincing at the unwanted noise. Shutting the door firmly behind him, sandroba finally turned to stare at his surroundings, searching for something to bar it. All around him stood elegant booths, dark red wood adorned with carved crosses and symbols that cast their flickering shadows opposite the candles lighting the room. Perfect. sandroba quickly ran into one, stumbling over something on the ground in his haste. He looked down: a soft rectangular cushion spread across the length of the booth, perpendicular to a mesh screen that allowed sound but not sight. Staring around, sandroba realized that he had entered a confessional. He knelt down upon the cushion as he stopped to catch his breath. Inhale…exhale…inhale…exhale… sandroba pondered the events that had transpired these past few days, the hell that had encompassed them all. Inhale…exhale…inhale…exhale… sandroba pondered the other people trapped in the church with him, collecting his thoughts about each one. Inhale…exhale…inhale…exhale… sandroba noticed his hands shaking slightly at his sides, though from rage or fear he could not tell. He took a deep breath and held it as he tried to collect himself. Inhale…exhale…inhale…exhale… And suddenly sandroba froze. Those breaths were not his; someone was with him in the booth, on the other side. “I have a confession to make,” a voice suddenly rasped through the mesh screen. “Today I take a life.” Those were the last words sandroba heard as something sharp sheared through his neck, killing him instantly. ------------ Elsewhere in the monastery, the people ended their long discussion: Ace and bumatlarge were judged guilty under the eyes of God, heretics to be cast out and cleansed of their sins through death. Each left their head bowed, sullenly accepting their fates as they were tied and dragged by the masses into the Baptist chamber; through the middle of the room stretched a giant pool, filled with Holy water used for the sacred rite of Baptism. But today something more sinister would despoil this pool: Ace and bum were thrown in the pool and held under until their kicks and thrashes finally subsided. A sudden thump drew the crowd back into the main chamber. There they witnessed Palmar, miraculously alive, cutting down the rope that had held OriginalName swinging from the rafters. Both were alive again. bumatlarge has been killed! (lynch) Ace has been killed! (lynch) sandroba has been killed! Palmar has been revived! OriginalName has been revived! redFF cannot be revived. The sun sits high in the sky. Day 4 begins. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
##Vote Jackal58 Palmar, who do you think we should lynch today? Is ON a good target, or are you more likely to be a zombie than him? | ||
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OriginalName
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wherebugsgo
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