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So just to quickly give you my thoughts on what has been going on (I will also try to get some information in every sentence -.-) Lynch lurkers - I agree ? I am sorry not to say more there but everything that had to be said was said already and no one should waste more time on this. Now just concerning the last few posts, supersoft I think you are behaving like an idiot. You really have not contributed anything up until now, and all you think of is whom to vote after the first couple of hours. We have 48 hours to get to a vote, not 10 minutes like SC2 Mafia. Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so? Palmar - Well I guess DB is mafia then :D Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning. For some people this will be TL:DR | ||
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Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts. | ||
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On August 19 2011 19:30 supersoft wrote: yeah, well i don't get what you want to tell us. Who made this long post? DB or me? Okay I try to formulate what I want to say a bit differently. You seem to be the kind of player that is may be a bit too agressive , at least from my point of view. You really have not said much at all, and what came out was basicly giving your whole thought process to everyone and accusing (although I agree on the target to a degree) after Palmar is giving his one liners that I will just regard as trolling as long as he doesnt back it up in some way. And that whole " I will hunt down the scum " thing you wrote seemed to be you trying a bit too hard, to be honest | ||
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1st. Do you know what time it is anywhere instead Europe right now? People might be sleeping still ( just a thought) 2nd I agreed already that he would make a good target. (If you would read what I say instead on twisting my words so it fits your rampage way of thinking) 3rd. Sorry that I am not as bloodthirsty and try to use "reason" and "logic" You are super defensive just because I have a different point of view then you. I did not defend DB , I disagreed with you, which in your book means "kill hiiim". | ||
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On August 20 2011 01:43 Palmar wrote: how about you vote the crazy australian with a cricket bat instead? Who might that be? | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote: Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game. I might have missed something but what exactly makes you believe everything Palmar says in this new game? | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:30 Sevryn wrote: Did you or varp read my post I said it was a pressure vote I don't need to believe palmar to pressure vote to try and find out if he is right... Well that actually is a point well made , I guess. By the way DB do you think that inofficial mayor role will ever be used in this game? you would have to have half voting for player A against the other half voting for B. And to be completely frank do you really think you would be a good fit for that role right now , with all the shit you seem to be getting from quite a few people in here? It sort of seems like you are trying really hard to get a good position that screams "I am not scum" and that is very unlikely to ever matter at all | ||
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On August 20 2011 05:00 Foolishness wrote: ##Vote: DropBear for Mayor Your thoughts behind this? | ||
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On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote: Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival. No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum) Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there. | ||
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On August 20 2011 22:21 Palmar wrote: no worries, we will. If you think I'm scum, vote for me, if not, go hunt scum instead of posting passively about your concerns for town safety. Okay I think we actually will now but not thanks to you at all. Sevryn is scum, the reasons why have been stated a lot already. I do not buy your bearhunt, and although I dislike the way your argumentation works, I do not think you are the best vote right now either. Sure these two said some questionable things , but in the end others said things that were far worse and both defended themselves rather well , or at least they did it at all. I need to see more from Mig to decide one way or another, he too made a good case for himself. Nard , xtfftc seem very scummy as well, but right now Sevryn is the safest bet, especially if we want to get something done. | ||
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On August 21 2011 02:22 Palmar wrote: what the fuck do you mean by safest bet? Do you believe that he will flip scum Erandorr, are you completely sure he's red? Well how would I be completely sure? Out of those people accused I do think that he is the best target, that is what I mean by safest bet. | ||
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On August 21 2011 18:02 Palmar wrote: Can I yell at town now? a beautiful good morning to you too  Palmar what are your thoughts about Vain ? | ||
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On August 21 2011 21:01 supersoft wrote: lol. nard defended severyn. That list is completely useless. You're scum as well as nard. You don't have to take any responsibility for the severynmislynch. + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 03:18 nard wrote: anyone care to write up the current vote situation? we need to focus our votes, a no-lynch would be the worst outcome today. I'd do it myself but have only ~40 mins left until i leave the house for today and i prefer eating dinner over re-reading the whole thread from reading the last few pages the current lynch options which have a chance of reaching 50% seem to be brownbear and sevryn. palmar is still being attacked by some - please stop voting for him because he used a... different tactic to get responses on day1 (i ask you to reduce your tunneling though - it's not a helpful playstyle over a longer period). he is not a good choice for a day 1 lynch. now, to decide between brownbear and sevryn: sevryn's case has been made, but sadly this quote is so true: he cornered himself in a bad spot early on - i'm looking forward to his next posts after not answering ~5 pages of accusations against him. this can wait until day 2 or 3 though - i want to see more posts of him before a possible lynch. Palmar's case against brownbear is reasonable, especially the part about diverting his vote to JeeJee out of (nearly) nothing. why JeeJee instead of one of the many other inactives? also brownbear seems to not really get Palmar's intention with his tunneling - it's not about the tunneling ("pressuring", lol) but the responses from the pressured person as well as other responses to the over-the-top tunneling. i will check the thread after dinner again and put my vote, so far im inclined to vote brownbear - i want to see that voting list beforehand though to make sure we get a lynch today. this BB accuse came out of the nowhere. Only Palmar voted for BB at this point of time. Nard supported no reasons for that vote. The only hint can be found in this post: Well Nard is scummy as fuck, no one disagrees with you. But concerning Rayzor , Foolishness pointed out something interesting : On August 21 2011 10:22 Foolishness wrote: Does anyone think a scum would say such a thing? Especially considering he said this when everyone was voting for Sevryn? What are your thoughts on that? | ||
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On August 22 2011 22:25 xtfftc wrote: You know, here and there. Where are you? Hes actually contributing. I am at work and do not have much time, I will be available in roughly 3 hours I guess A quick question to the experienced guys : Are you focusing on the guys you know so much because they have the potential to be more dangerous? Because Nard, xtfftc and Vain are just scummy as fuck. On August 21 2011 10:38 Foolishness wrote: Can someone remind me tomorrow that we should kill Vain? | ||
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On August 22 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote: So, here's the thing I don't understand chaos13: First off, after re-reading everything you've posted I find it hard to believe you are scum because of this little thing here, from the post where you originally voted for me: You see, I don't see why any mafia would ever point this out, because it basically is giving credit to someone who is controversial. Sure, you may not have followed through and voted on me anyway, but it's still something to consider. Some people might actually believe you and consider this a scumslip by DB, and by extension a confirmation of myself. Thing is there are some things in your posting that make absolutely no sense though. Like are you seriously posting shit like this? and this (anyone who has ever played with VE, knows why this post is super-scummy) Let's assume for a second you don't think I am scum, and in turn I'll think for a second you might be town aligned. What would you think about lynching BrownBear. I will give my thoughts on your lynch target of choice after I've done re-reading his posts. Hey Palmar could you pretend for one second that I exist and answer my question ? :D | ||
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On August 22 2011 23:45 Palmar wrote: in addition, I will provide this link here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=4640 Enjoy, it's a must read. Done with that , what now? Maybe you could tell me whom to vote for , you seem to be very good at that | ||
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Yup pretty scummy , but I would still love to hear your thoughts on the people Supersoft and I have mentioned earlier | ||
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On August 23 2011 03:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Nah, let him answer. He's been dodging. abit late for that isnt it? ... | ||
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Foolish, I for one can tell you that I absolutely have diverted attention away from Mig. Why ? Because I am not buying it as of yet. Do I think Mig might be Scum? He may very well be. But what I have tried to say earlier already is that if you ignore the experiences you already have with a player, your whole meta argument, then your suspicions seem not as strong. That does not mean Mig is town by any means, but there are people i think of as equally scummy, if not more, and right now I do not see the reason not to vote for those I have listed before. | ||
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On August 23 2011 19:51 Barundar wrote: You might have a point upon re-reading, I've been scimming a large part of the thread. I'm down with a vote off between you and him, xttffc looks town to me though. what? You would be okay to vote for xtfffffffftc but think hes town? | ||
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On August 23 2011 22:16 supersoft wrote: I want to see DB flavortext. Why didn't he post it in the first place. I want to see it fast! Whats a flavortext? | ||
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The attention just got drawn from everyone supsected except DB and we focus on someone whom I thought of as a townie. Did anyone think of supersoft as being anything but Town? | ||
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On August 24 2011 00:49 chaoser wrote: Scummy ass line, town doesn't usually feel the need to qualify their statements as such. That being said wtf Dropbear....a fake claim of DT into ??? claim of medic? The reason why I fake claimed DT in XXXIX was because I had PUSHED for that one person the whole day and decided to take a calculated risk. If I was wrong, vigi would shoot me and I'd survive since I was vet, confirming me. If I was right, mafia would obviously stack two hits on me and since I was a vet, all I needed was a medic to protect me and all of the mafia's hits would have been wasted that night...my head hurts...I need to rethink things... Yeah sorry for trying to give my thought process. way to be scummy | ||
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If you protected foolish, doesnt that mean that 1) you cant take any hits and b) now that you came out put foolish at risk because you are not vet and cant take an extra hit and there will be 1 less medic? | ||
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On August 24 2011 04:56 Foolishness wrote: I would like to point out that Quicksilver7 was suspicious of hiro protagonist day 1. And that tells us what exactly? | ||
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On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote: Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid? ##Unvote: DropBear Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day. what? | ||
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I dont believe Hiro is SCUM, even though he actually wants to kill me :/ Reread his posts CAREFULLY, doenst this : On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote: Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid? ##Unvote: DropBear Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day. Sound more like an upset townie who is really mad that he is not taken seriously at all? On August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear. This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen! claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of. ##Vote: DropBear DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation. xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt. Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement. This was the post that came before that. I believe he just wanted to avoid something that has happened before and, more importantly IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, and no one is listening to him. I dont even think its important for this vote whether he is right or wrong , but if we believe him, and I actually do. I dont think any SCUM would be so openly speak about "sheeping votes", for example. We had some clear suspects, and then after that hero db claim we ARE back to speculating, and I do not want to repeat the mistakes of day 1. Problem is whom to vote for of our earlier suspects. I thought mig defended himself very well and i get the same vibe from xtfffffffffffftc as i did from hero. I need to go to bed, dont want a no lynch but am not convinced of any target enough to actually vote for them. So fuck it , I am going to stick with a guy I am certain with and that is Nard. That dude doesnt post and when he does its scummy. Enjoy, it will only take you a minute or so. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=50551 | ||
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Also who says it has anything to do with meta? Foolishness I dont get that post of yours there. Why on earth would you hint that you have nearly enough and not just wait until you actually do? | ||
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On August 26 2011 19:04 Mig wrote: I was hoping I wouldn't have to claim but with everyone bandwagoning me doesn't look like there is much of a choice. I am a tracker Undead Hunter - welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Udit the Nightstalker. You are well known for being the only man alive to have followed a nightwalker at night and lived to tell the tale. The battle you had with it in the deep underground lair of Uzurki is still recounted by the legend keepers of the inquisition. Your thirst for greater challenges has brought you to Liquidia . You challenge yourself every night by following a liquidian , and seeing who they visit, you win when all the cultists are dead, decapitated and with a stake through their heart for good measure. Last night I tracked chaos13 to jackal. So unless he is a watcher/dt/noisy neighbor he is guaranteed red. I bread crumbed this several times with my earlier posts today. Which is why I specifically mentioned why chaos would have the motivation to kill jackal in my posts against him. So lynch chaos. If he flips red/noisy neighbor I am pretty close to a confirmed tracker. If I am lying and he flips green just vig me tonight. Okay Mig answer me this : Why on earth would you track Chaos and not someone more in doubt , like BB ? I would really love to hear an explanation on that one becuase to me it seems like you just want to get something out of your death at this point. | ||
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On August 26 2011 19:13 supersoft wrote: mig, if you were scum, you would also know that chaos13 visited jackal. So him flipping red wouldn't confirm you as town. If you flip red chaos13 isn't confirmed either. Only if you flip blue he's probably red. If he flips green, you're probably red _____ conclusion: Only mig flipping blue gives us any information. chaos13 gives us nothing about mig. Huh? How would he know that chaos visited jackal? But I agree this is not enough to get either of them of, I didnt think that far ahead. It could be him trying to get either of them into the green you are right. | ||
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On August 26 2011 19:17 Mig wrote: I was more suspicious of chaos than BB? Not exactly rocket science. Super instead of lynching me for information. Look at everything I have done. Look at everything chaos has done and determine who is scum. If you think I planned out this gambit from last night killing jackal then breadcrumbing just so I could fake claim to kill chaos then go ahead and lynch me. Cool with me ## Vote mig | ||
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##vote nard *Happy* | ||
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On August 29 2011 02:03 bumatlarge wrote: Kurumi backstabbed by his polish writing habits! I'm feeling pretty good about this game, even if people are still making me out to be scum. Nard and vain are certainly scum, and then we would only need one more to bring mafia KP to 1. Voting nard for majority purposes. not because ... well.. hes scum? I think i see a way to bring mafia kp to 1 too | ||
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I want BB to die now. And I say BB for a reason. Ignore everything confusing out of Bum for the last day and just focus on the shit out of BB. I actually wrote a pretty long wall of text on him just before he got replaced, and there is no question in my mind that he is SCUM. I just filtered Vain and I just remembered why he is on my list as well. Filtering that guy makes my brain hurt. Both of those make such a great target for any vigis we have left. | ||
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On August 31 2011 01:04 Pyo wrote: My suspicion of WBG has nothing to do with my blue power, just my analysis of how he's been acting. I've only been in one mafia game that had a godfather before, and he's been acting in a similar manner. As for why claim during nighttime, well exactly because they wouldn't shoot the most hardcore lurker... and because there's another DT claim. Mafia have 2KP so they can't kill us both if there's still a medic. They can try to shoot both of us and one of us will definitely live or they can split their votes and still have one of us definitely live. Claiming right now seems to be perfectly safe. Night 1 - jackal Night 2 - Vain Night 3 - Erandorr As for my sanity, if chaoser is really a DT and really is sane, then I know my sanity as well since we checked Vain on different nights. I will give you a little hint : if you checked jackal night one then you know if you are sane or not... | ||
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BB/Bum need to die first. We can lynch one target a day and that should be Bum. ## Vote Bum | ||
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On September 03 2011 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I understand that...unfortunately until the boss leaves, I can't dick around much on TL...  As someone who's not in much danger of getting lynched, I'll likely be a good target for scum tonight (along with the claimed), so expect a more detailed post before daybreak.did you really just write that? | ||
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On September 04 2011 19:06 xtfftc wrote: It's not that Chaoser's claim isn't suspicious. The timing of your statement combined with your overall inactivity though... That's what I thought at first but then I went through the thread again and his name was being mentioned a lot as the one to be lynched after Bum - especially by WBG. However, he was by no means dead already. The main problem I have with lynching Pyo is that we lynched two townies for playing badly on Day 1 and Day 2. Even with Mig and BrownBear gone, the mafia team should be playing better than this. Pyo is doing the same thing Hiro did. Just pick one of your suspects and do a more in-depth analysis. If you are town, you ought to help us catch the mafia. + Show Spoiler + On August 13 2011 08:24 GMarshal wrote: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. Ugh I am getting a bit suspicious of everyone doing their best sevryn impression to be honest. I mean we burned our hands pretty bad and everytime I read some really scummy post of someone I instinctivly think "he probably is just really bad " but look at pyo doing the exact same thing as Hiro did for example. Either he is , like hiro , a butthurt townie who decided to get active when under suspicion and is then surprised that anyone would think its scummy, or a smart Scum player who noticed that we must be so afraid of mislynching again in the same fashion as we did before. | ||
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Chaoser, If I were Scum there would be no reason at all for Pyo to mention me Also look at the way I have argued if I had the time (which I think you did not) I will try to be more active but don´t expect me to post 100 times over the next few days | ||
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Xt why Rayzor? | ||
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I just realized that a no lynch benefits us more at this point than a mislynch , thing is though that Pyo certainly is very Scummy. I will keep my vote on him for now but if someone makes a convincing argument why someone else should be lynched I would listen ( I am completely uncertain on basicly everyone in the game at this point -.- ) | ||
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On September 07 2011 03:11 Pyo wrote: Calling it now, scum team: kurumi, chaoser, erandorr Doesn't seem like there's anything else I can do since supersoft has disappeared and curu doesn't want to listen (there's a guy voting for himself... why would you help him out? That's just retarded). With scum controlling 3 votes and rayzor being a traitor, it's already game over... the next (and last) 8 hours are gonna be the most painful - only hope is for Erandorr to get modkilled. Stop running yourself in a wall dude I pushed for Scum (other than mig , I admit) every time when you were happy bandwagoning. I am not voting yet, I will read the thread thoroughly and make sure I am convinced in the vote I will make | ||
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Just to be clear: - Jackal is against me because he thinks that, since I'm a new player, for me to be participating at all means I'm being coached, instead of meaning that I may actually have researched the game and have a sense of how to play?? Took time coz I wasnt at home, sorry ... Myself: I think theres a very solid case against me, but what scum would totally put themselves out there like this, and have NOBODY else defending him except for himself??? I don't think that behavior fits scum... Maybe a very noob town player, which I am, but if I was scum I'd be more guarded or protected, dont you think? Sorry guys, I've had computer issues since last night, and still do, lol... I have no problem with lynching either Hiro or Xtfftc, so long as its not a no-lynch... I'll try to check back and change my vote before the deadline, its on Hiro right now... Go back and read some of my earlier posts about why I think Hiro's been acting scummy if you need more reasons to vote for him I'm trying to catch up on this again because i was in a flight (toronto to london)... This game is really being pretty shitty, and I cant help but think that its partly my fault due to my absolutely horrible sense of who is town and who isnt (all the of my picks so far have turned out to be town, lady luck is a bitch, lol...) and me being new at this (contrary to popular belief, not getting coached either) i've turned out to seem so scummy despite being town -_- Now, also, keep in mind that I am a new player, and this is my first game, and (contrary to popular belief) i havent been getting coached... The only research I actually did before staring was read the Analysis post, as well as the beginners guide, and an older Mafia game (XLiii) He also got away with pushing the first two lynches and then just bandwagoning from there on . ##Vote Rayzor | ||
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On September 07 2011 08:27 supersoft wrote: i'll figure something out... since xtfftc wasn't scum, i have to take many things into reconsideration :-D what the fuck was that ninja vote??? | ||
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On September 08 2011 07:43 supersoft wrote: since I am convinced, that rayzor is most likely scum, and in theory there is a 50/50 chance to kill scum tonight (if we kill anyone except me), I won't post any further thoughts about this game until 1 minute before the night ends. Because I don't want to give away any information to the scumteam who they should shoot. how about you explain your fucking ninja vote yesterday? | ||
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To speak very bluntly , if you behave in this agressive manner and lets be honest like abit of a dick, people , especially newer ones, will not listing to you. If you read through the earlier parts of the game you ignored everyone except maybe foolish and shattered any common goals in town play because you ignored any other opinions instead of answering in a calm manner that would have helped town get victory pretty early. I just reread some earlier parts of the game where xt came under suspicion. You just said " Xt is not scum" instead of explaining why and forcing the conversation in the right direction again . If you play like that you cant honestly belive that people will follow you, it even went so far as that people started to ignore some of your really good analysis , just because they were fed up with the way you played. And then after you died by the hands of hero Kurumi you could no longer explain those great reads you had and left town in a very awkward spot and through the modkills every bit of fun was taken out of the lategame. | ||
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On September 08 2011 21:30 Palmar wrote: @Chaos13 - yeah, as I repeatedly said I'm not going to (and I haven't) repeated this same style of play. It's very easy to pick out mafia like this,but it's terrible for making other people read the thread. Let's call it an experiment. I think I've found a more balanced way of pushing my ideas, and I'm using those in more recent games. It's slightly harder to find scum, but it also doesn't destroy town atmosphere. I am fully aware of the shortcomings of this approach, which is why this is the only game I employed it and the only game I will employ it. This does not work as an excuse for people who didn't read the thread though. And to answer your last point chaos13, is that when everyone is cool, calculated and logical, the mafia can be exactly the same. It's very, very easy to fake an analytical mistake, but it's surprisingly hard to fake an emotional response. By stirring things up, if you're able to then disconnect you from the situation, you can get miles better read on people, because things posted fast like 1-liners, arguments, shouting etc, is a lot less thought out than analysis, and thus much easier to read the true motivations, as they cannot be properly hidden in the time-frame it takes to respond to this emotional style of play. Erandorr, thanks for telling me things I know. Youre welcome ! | ||
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On September 08 2011 22:03 DropBear wrote: Wp Mafia, sorry everyone about my day 2 silliness, especially to you supersoft. You should have seen our reactions to your claim, we were so confused :D | ||
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