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On August 24 2011 07:07 hiro protagonist wrote:
I think Mig is a bad lynch. his defense against foolishness is very good. Also, xtfftc is of my intrest as well. no one wants to lynch DB for whatever reason. it might be a good time to lynch a lurker.
Or Erandorr, I would be down for lynching this guy.
On August 24 2011 07:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
no wait! RazorFlash! lets lynch him. he came at me with a OMGUS and has sense vanished
You're all over the place.
My vote stays on you.
On August 24 2011 07:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 07:01 Erandorr wrote:
Yo palmar you still down with lynching bb? I would very much want to lynch BrownBear, but I'm not sure I can build the support for that case today. Of the other candidates there are some for points and some against. Hiro Protagonist has either very much stepped up his scum play, or I'm right and he's town, I don't want to lynch him today. xtffcasdio is much more scummy than hiro. But there is a certain impulsiveness in his posts. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but he's not gone below the "fishy" category for me yet. Which leaves Mig. The entire argument against Mig, is that he has done very, very little fingerpointing that matters this game. Mig is one to usually tear up the thread as town and find scum left and right. He says he's fed up with mafia at the moment, but I mean, it's huge wifom if he's actually telling the truth in that regard. There are other daming things in Mig's play. He has stuck down a total of 3 fos's in this game. One on Sevryn, where he called him lolscum, only to back it off later and try to switch the town to lynch chaoser. I don't know if Mig ever thought he could sway town with this switch, but it sure didn't look like he was pushing it. Lastly he wrote an analysis on DropBear, who has... well... played questionably throughout the game. I don't really mind this case, what I mind is the fact that Mig was wrong again, and seemed to be going for a target that was easy to hunt down. As I said much earlier in the thread, I have a fuckton of respect for Mig as a player, and given that respect, I don't think he can have done the things he has done unless he is either completely and utterly fed up with the game, or just not town-aligned. I find the latter more likely. ##Vote Mig
I don't know Mig's meta. If Mig is a good player, I can understand why I would initially feel suspicious and upon hearing his defense begin to have doubts about my original conviction. I believe you and foolishness about Mig, but it's hard to actually vote him when his defense has been pretty good.
The problem I have with Mig is that there are things we can use to justify a lynch of him, and there are plenty of things we can use to justify keeping him alive as well. We have about 4 hours; I'm sticking with hiro because I'm more confident that he is scum than any of the other suspects right now. His responses to my posts have been outright outlandish.
I don't know what you mean by saying that hiro has stepped up his quality of posting if he is scum, because honestly I don't see any posts of quality by him yet. If you can, please point out what you mean, palmar. If you can't point out specifics I'm just going to assume that you've built that opinion of hiro based on your own gut instinct.
IMO we can't really use "feelings," as they are great sometimes, but rather we need to focus on actual evidence. I know you have a feeling about BB but it's only a feeling. Pushing your feelings is not going to help us find scum; we need to find objective evidence to support our claims.
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On August 24 2011 07:20 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, Palmar has convinced me. also, its not like I have much choice in the matter.
##Vote Mig
I would still rather lynch Razorflash, but I can see how that most likely wont happen.
What keeps striking me funny about you is that you consistently piggy back other players.
Instead of providing your own analysis and insight, you piggyback other players to stay off the radar. When you are asked for reasoning behind your votes and your suspicions, you provide little, if any information, at all.
Each post you have made has made you look more scummy to me.
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On August 24 2011 07:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Well guys, then hiro protagonist will try to outsmart the bullet during the night. Oh wait, it's a HAMMER. There's a link between supersoft+Palmar and hiro protagonist, in my opinion it's a very good lynch given that AND he is scummy as heck and I do believe he is scum. if you actually have a hammer, feel free to punch hiro in the face if it's your best read. I'd suggest Vain and Nard as other options. Maybe even chaos13, who has done literally nothing to help town this game. I find it really contradictory that he keeps ranting about town atmosphere being bad, yet has not taken any visible action to improve it.
And you don't find hiro saying the same thing to be a tell?
On August 24 2011 05:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
How cant anyone see how bad town atmosphere has been. Mafia are laughing there Asses of in the QT right now. I want Dropbear dead cuz I Think he is scum. His claim ruined any headway that we made on day 2. Do you think thats an accident? cuz I dont.
So ask yourself this: how has anything I have done hurt town atmosphere? How has any of my post been anything other than scum hunting? I have Hid nothing from anyone, and your gonna lynch me for speaking my mind? when I un-voted DB, It was because everyone else thought I was wrong. Fair enough. But is being wrong mean Im Mafia? Also, I still think im right, but am willing to listen to town when they says Im wrong. Does that make me Mafia?
This will be my only defense in this mater for now. Im gonna use the last 5 hours of my life to find scum, and try and make a good town atmosphere.
I find that contradictory about both of them.
Hiro has also claimed that he'll make analysis (of xtfftc for example) but failed to do so. You don't find that weird?
While we're on that subject, why didn't you post any analysis of xt, hiro?
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On August 24 2011 08:46 Palmar wrote:
Mig, do you wanna lynch chaos13 with us?
Come up with the case for chaos13 and stop spamming. I read his posts earlier and I had doubts; due to his inactivity I haven't really thought much of it. I'll go reread now.
Mig, personally I think you're town. I think you'd be of use to us if you come up with some thoughts about who we should lynch, as we've obviously decided we're not going to be lynching DB tonight. We are a little over 2 hours to the deadline and we need inputs from as many people as we can get so we can form well-reasoned votes on the most likely scum.
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On August 24 2011 08:52 Jackal58 wrote:Actually fuck it. I was saving this for the end of the night phase but Chaos has not called me scummy this game. The only other times he has done this is because he was on the scum team. I know it sounds lame but he's so damn consistent at it it's funny. I have been watching to see if he chose one of the three main targets over the others but his votes are off in the toolies. Ya I'll lynch Chaos. But I do know he is at work. 
This is such terrible logic lol
He called me scummy -_- (and asked DB his opinion of me lol...which DB never answered AFAIK)
Also, I agree with Kurumi. Anyone notice that hiro has been "down to lynch" someone very easily all the time in this game? He first did this yesterday, and he's doing it again today.
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On August 24 2011 08:56 hiro protagonist wrote:
bugs, Kurumi, whats wrong? did we find your scum buddy.
both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now...
LOL
I don't like chaos13 either, I just think it's really illogical to suddenly jump on a random bandwagon with no analysis just because Palmar says, "hey guys let's lynch chaos13." He seemed scummy to me earlier, particularly because he was throwing around accusations with no real weight to them, just kinda flying under the radar. He said I was fishy to him, for example, and asked DB for his opinion on me before he left.
However, I think you're a better target because you've made no real contributions. No analysis, just bandwagon hopping and random voting.
Also, da eff? How have I not contributed to a good town atmosphere? I've been doing my best to put out quality posts with well-reasoned arguments that focus on a few people who seem scummy to me. I've only voted for people I think are scum, and I stand by my votes.
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[b]THERE ARE LESS THAN 2 HOURS LEFT, NOT 12.
Apologies if I'm wrong.
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On August 24 2011 09:35 chaoser wrote:
I come back to find...people want to throw away hours and hours of discussion. Awesome. Vote for mig cause he's mafia! What are you guys even doing?! You're not even voting for the other choice, the one that YOU GUYS brought up in the first place! Instead you chicken the fuck out on the vote and try to cop out on some bullshit random vote that we didn't even spend that much time discussing! Holy shit dudes!
Mig and hiro IMO are the two top contenders. I pushed hard for hiro, you and foolish pushed for Mig. I'm convinced now xt is town.
The only problem now is that we're getting run in circles by this chaos13 garbage. I say we all vote on one of Mig/hiro, whichever we prefer. I prefer hiro.
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It's also possible they're trying to bus chaos to get towncred
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LOL his argument makes no sense whatsoever. I say we lynch, he flips red and we have a strong read on 3 additional people.
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On August 24 2011 10:43 nard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 10:14 supersoft wrote:
tank you for confirming my accusation on you. You're 100% scum as well as xtfftc.
This town plays horribly, I don't know why everyone only listens to the fucking scumteam.
I am okay with lynching xtfftc, chaos13, Kurumi and nard.
But I won't lynch hiro. Even if I provoke a no lynch. I don't want to be the scumteams instrument to kill another poor townie for a horrible reason.
you're freaking hilarious. has there been a post from me which you didn't quote and reply a "you're 100% scum okthx" without ANY reasoning behind it? i guess i can be lucky that you decided to quote me instead of twisting my words around like you did with my first post. hiro: a self-vote? why in heavens.. this makes no sense from any perspective at all. if you are town, try to defend yourself properly instead of making sure you get lynched. if you're scum... do the same lol.
He's using appeal to emotion (I.e wtf I suck at this game) and doing weird things like voting himself, claiming vet then saying he was lying then trying to back it up etc. out of desperation. He's contradicted himself multiple times in the past hour alone.
The vote-for-himself thing makes him harder to read because that's exactly what he wants.
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Also note his late as hell safe claim...
I haven't looked at the vote thread (on my phone now) but we need to lynch this scum hiro today.
Only 10 minutes guys! We need a lynch.
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I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER
AAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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Also what happened to Navillus? I don't see a vote by him
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Cause you say things in a manner no one would listen to!
If you actually said things in a reasonable manner, we'd probably value your opinion. Yesterday I disregarded what you were saying because your manner seemed scummy to me.
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On August 24 2011 19:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 18:07 Palmar wrote:
Reverse psychology time. Every time I tell you idiots someone is town, you go ahead and lynch him. So here is a list of townies.
80-100% chance of being town
BrownBear is town
Chaos13 is town
Erandorr is town
Vain is town
Nard is town
Curu is town
Kurumi is town
You should never lynch into this list, because that'd be stupid.
Honorable menitons go to:
Varpulis
Pyo
haha i support this! my townlist: nard xtfftc chaos13 kurumi mig brownbear all fellow townies. DO NOT LYNCH! probably scum: foolish and DB... the others I was sure that they were scum already got lynched =) Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 18:03 supersoft wrote:
I don't understand how this could happen. How could I be the only one who didn't buy this hirolynch...?
Seriously, not all of you can be scum.
I think we have one major problem here: People don't think by themselves.
But I don't understand why... it's so easy to filter someone, it's so easy to look at the voting behavior...
Please shoot nard, xtfftc or chaos13 tonight. Your reluctance to vote for hiro after his fake claim absolutely screams scum to me. You knew he was innocent when all evidence pointed to the contrary. Only scum know that. You were more keen on a mislynch than voting hiro... Explain this please: On August 24 2011 10:52 supersoft wrote:On August 24 2011 10:51 Mig wrote:
We are 1 vote away from majority with 10min left. Super/foolish? If you guys don't vote it's going to be no lynch. Considering hiro lied about his role claim lynch has to be better.
the only reason why i would vote him, is to avoid endless discussions about him and myself tomorrow. That's the only reason. On August 24 2011 10:57 supersoft wrote:
it's so dumb. I want someone else to do it. It's probably necessary :-( Can't believe he was green though -.- stop it. That's not even funny anymore. People like you ruined this game. I tried to save townies two times in a row. Also I pushed for lynching scum two times in a row. Sadly you preferred to follow the scumteam.
Lol wtf
Lucidity's post was very reasonable. You DO look suspicious, especially because of your posts right before the end of the day. Like he said, what made you think hiro was town? He fake claimed, neglected to post his flavor text (until it was too late) and didn't think before he posted. Yeah, townies are often dumb but honestly that was scummy as fuck.
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On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.- yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say. You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you.
Okay. I think this post convinced me lol.
Come morning I'm voting you.
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On August 24 2011 19:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.- yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say. You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you. Okay. I think this post convinced me lol. Come morning I'm voting you. That would be a pretty stupid move.
Well I'd be down to vote you too, cause your actions over the past day have definitely eroded my town opinion of you. I think you're scumbuddies with supersoft.
Both you and supersoft have attempted to gain towncred by landing on the right side of the voting both days. SS was more obvious about it but you've been spearheading these distraction efforts too. You BOTH are claiming we're all too dumb etc etc to see that hiro/sev were town when in reality hiro played like absolute trash and Sevryn's mistakes made him seem like a pretty good target day 1 too. Yeah, we were ultimately wrong in our assessments, but I stand by the reasoning. You can filter my posts and go back and see my analysis of hiro, for example.
Honestly though, you and supersoft jumped several levels all at once in scumminess, ESPECIALLY in that last 2 hours vote switch you guys attempted.
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You put some thinking/effort into the game?
If you're so much smarter than us why don't you share your brilliant analysis with the town every once in a while?
Oh right, cause you're scum and you don't actually vote based on evidence...just preknowledge.
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