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On August 29 2011 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I like how you dodged my question, of who's going to get shot tonight. Care to explain that statement? A claimed DT will get shot tonight apparently i have to be mafia to know that | ||
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On August 29 2011 06:25 wherebugsgo wrote: That's enough because you don't want to leak information. Viscera is mafia as well. Rayzor and xt are probably clean. Ok I get it now, lol. You're just trying to divert a lynch off vain on to me. You're not using any reasoning behind your arguments against me and instead derailing on to impertinent topics to make it look like you might actual be going somewhere with this. This won't work on me, you're trying to lie to the devil here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 29 2011 08:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Alright guys, WALL OF TEXT. Sorry again  However, this is VERY important. Today's lynch will be nard, but all of this information will be VERY pertinent tomorrow. I urge you all to read this post carefully. I know it's long, but it needs to be done.Incoming are analyses of the following players: BUMATLARGE (framer) and VAIN (town) You kinda do have to be mafia to know who will be shot tonight, but that wasn't even my aim. The way you answer my posts and my provocations indicates that you are mafia to me. You don't substantiate anything, and you leave your post with this: Without even a hint of inclination toward contributing to town efforts. You haven't done much this game (thanks to that replacement) so I find it really funny that you're so scummy. The fact that you can derive a read from a person saying a claimed DT will get shot shows everyone exactly what your underlying goal is here. Nard is lynched, mafia team has 4 people, vain gets lynched its down to 3, which is a dangerous number to sit at for mafia, as the difference between 2kp and 1kp is drastic. The longer that mafia has 3 players the more likely they can beat us. If this is what it will come down to we'll have an easier time then I thought rooting the rest of you out. Let us all take a look, shall we? + Show Spoiler [bumfirstpost] + On August 27 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote: ![[image loading]](http://angryanimebitches.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/epic-entrance_o_gifsoup-com.gif) Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well? So, what have I highlighted, and why? First: I'll just defend BB's actions...well, of course you will. Defending yourself isn't necessarily scummy, persay, but here you're not even defending yourself, you're defending BB's actions. You are a different person than BB. There is no reason to defend BB so much, as you can establish yourself as a townie by actually contributing. As far as I could see BB was on the pedestal with mig for hanging, and it would be incredibly bad if we didn't lynch mig at that point. Defending BB was practically my purpose coming into the game, and it paid off. 1 mafia dead and we haven't lost yet. I highlighted the mislynch part because it will come into play later in my post. I highlighted the last sentence, about the Mig analysis, because it is indirectly contradicted later. (and then reaffirmed after that, by a suggestion that you haven't read the thread) Basically this question is asking for help in reading the thread, later you say you've read the thread, and even later than that you say you haven't. So not reading the thread makes me scum? You say "indirectly" because there is nothing contradictory about it. The fact that I'm inquiring about mig's situation is exactly the opposite of what you just said that I'm only focused on defending myself. Finally, the last part of the second sentence is really funny: Foolishness's analysis has quite a few flaws. If it has "quite a few" of them, why were none of them listed? + Show Spoiler [3rdpost[/spoiler] + On August 27 2011 11:09 bumatlarge wrote: I think that's a fairly useless accusation you are bringing up about BB restating what people are saying to, but then calling him out on not explaining his votes. I find it hard to believe that massive xffct thing wasn't his own. I don't think repetition is a conclusive method in finding scum. You don't think that's a bit shallow? Centering your analysis around a concept can be fairly damning. I have serious doubts that you're trap was as concrete as you make it out to be. Not referring to someone can lead to huge oversights, and that's exactly what happened to BB. You're idea was convoluted and distracting and a massive failure. I have doubts about Mig, if "anything I read... I just see mafia in him" is your excuse, and you're trusting other people's opinions rather then forming real reasons yourself. Why is foolishness not being more heavily considered? If I was mafia, I would have doublestacked him night 2, because he would be a dangerous townie to go against. I don't believe the RB was used night 1, and I don't think he took a hit. His bullshit ways of finding scum do not produce results, as I can see first hand. It's a little bit of bad luck that I popped into these shoes foolishness, because you were certainly expecting an easy bandwagon onto BB through your bullshit connections when there is nothing concrete on BB AT ALL. You say that right here yourself. ##Vote Foolishness I guarantee I am right. Please read through this thread like I have done and this becomes perfectly clear. Look at the bolded text. It is completely fluff. It also reeks of someone who has either a.) not read the thread, b.) not comprehended what he has actually read, or c.) is intentionally being misleading. Seeing as bum, from what I understand, is a pretty decent player, the red highlight at the end should make it clear which of those options is the correct one. + Show Spoiler [hint] + IT'S C BITCHES + Show Spoiler [alternate] + Although, I suppose, it's not inaccurate to say that it could be a combination of all of them. It's entirely possible that the post is a complete fabrication and that bum didn't actually read through the thread, just claimed to do so. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised with that either. AND YOU SAY NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID I LIED ABOUT. I said connecting people based on not talking about them was extremely faulty, and the foolishness focusing on BB rather then Mig was a bad approach to it. And that was the "strongest" part of foolishness' "connection". After a lil back and forth with foolishness about whether BB's analysis of xt was genuine (I call bs) there's this: SUP APOLOGY In red = well I'll read thread more carefully (aka fake my arguments better) and oh btw it's still illogical. So you're just saying you don't believe I didn't read the thread? So as mafia, I falsely accused a CONFIRMED TOWNIE that his methods were anti-town and I thought he was scum for that. Toss that idea in your head a bit. Tell me if you can honestly reach the convoluted conclusion you just did. It simply makes no sense! No exaggeration here, it makes ZERO sense. Wait what? You claim everyone else is throwing around unsubstantiated accusations, yet you're doing it yourself? To reiterate, you said this: But it's okay for you to do pretty much the same thing? ... The sentence that's omitted after the red italics, that bum was thinking: "so stop correctly guessing I'm scum, damn it" Bolded is a lie, Foolish's main argument was NOT the connections. + Show Spoiler [Foolishsummary] + On August 25 2011 10:09 Foolishness wrote: 1) BrownBear is mafia 2) BrownBear's vote posts are just restating already said arguments. He's never voiced his own opinion. Furthermore he never pushes who he's voting for. He makes his vote post, then spams one liners. 3) BrownBear has been extremely dodging and defense. He flat out refuses to respond to Palmar even with Palmar writes something good. He is very insistent that he is innocent. 4) BrownBear has refused to say anything with regards to Mig (until just now). If he was town he would be sure to voice his opinion on one of the top lynch candidates. He does not care about the town and this is evident because he has ignored the case against Mig. 5) If Mig is mafia, then BrownBear (and a few others) implicitly defended him by purposely switching town focus onto xtfftc (and then Hiro). They did this by not sharing their opinions about Mig and instead wrote paragraphs about why xtfftc (or Hiro) should have been lynched. I will still advocate that Mig should be the next lynch. But if you are too put off by his defense then BrownBear must die. Foolish's main arguments were that BB was being dodgy and defensive, and that his vote posts have been pure restatements of existing arguments. However, I disagree with his analysis of the connections, too, just like you, bum! The difference is that I find merit in his other arguments, and I'm not overly focused on WHAT Foolish was saying. You disagree with one of his points=foolish automatically wrong about BB (who you replaced). In fact, he's SO wrong he becomes mafia (wtf?). Then vote me for BB's behavior, I've defended this all before, so you're lying when you I conveniently ignored the other points. His connection point was the one I had the biggest problem with and why I thought he was scummy. You recant your vote on foolish once you're called out, and you basically admit to not reading properly. Well, kind of, since you could've read it all anyway and just lied. You are now inventing reasons for things that are clear. I didn't read the thread closely enough and there is no reason as mafia for me to lie about that in this situation. How would this benefit me at all. Anyway, to clarify what I said about disagreeing with Foolish's arguments about BB's connections to other people: I think his analysis of the Mig-BB connection was good. However, I disagree with some of the other people he listed in his large BB analysis post. A bunch of people were listed there that I'm very strongly sure are town. Also, BB's "analysis" of xt was mostly fluff and regurgitated arguments from Curu and myself. Curu, IIRC, was the one who first put up something decent on xt. So NO, it was not original at all. Last half of that quote I showed earlier: Excuse. Straight up excuse. Firstly, you're under heavy consideration because the guy you replaced was doing things in ways that really only mafia would do. Part in red=direct contradiction to this: So, you've read the thread, but not read the thread? The jk is added there just to absolve yourself of responsibility. Basically, you're trying to throw attention off yourself. You're not even defending yourself anymore (because clearly that didn't work, your defense was shitty) so you tried to absolve responsibility and slip under the radar. It kinda worked. For a bit. Well if you and other people see things in these kind of posts, don't let me stop you. This one set off alarm bells. "We would've been fine with going with foolishness on nard...but you know what, I'll vote for vain anyway." Also, you know how bum knows chaoser's not lying about that guilty check? Cause he's the freaking framer and he framed vain last night. That's quite a jump lol, having to call me a framer for an argument to work is quite a stretch, no? I won't argue against this until there is proof of there being a framer at all. Finally, the vote is preceded by: "for now." Why "for now"? Because you know that you'll probably have to switch your vote off vain when he doesn't become a serious lynch candidate anymore? Because you already know vain is probably clean? Because you think people might begin suspecting chaoser, and then you can set him up to be lynched when vain flips green? How about switching to nard if people feel that is a better vote then vain? I initally felt vain needed to be killed to clear chaoser, but that would be the wrong move because perhaps chaoser was trying to save nard from a lynch, which would be the highest likelihood because it doesn't involve GF's, millers, framers or nosy neighbors. Occam's Razor. Chaoser is a DT, no doubt, but this one by bum was really strange to me because of the certainty, the trust, and the future insight that were all crammed into this seemingly innocent post. His votechange on nard confirmed to me that he was scum, and it confirmed why he was being extra cautious by adding that "for now" to his vote on vain. What? Where's the reasoning? Where's the distinction? What makes chaoser's claim better than foolish's? Why not go with a CONFIRMED WATCHER over someone who merely CLAIMED DT? This post raises so many questions despite being one line. And note, it's the LACK of information that does it. A townsperson would at least give some information as to their thoughtprocess. Instead, bum seems to be focused on vain while brushing off nard as "oh yeah let the vig deal with him, we town should be lynching others" It's doesn't make chaoser's claim better, it made the vain lynch more necessary, but then considering all the factors, such as a Vig or mad hatter, they would be better spent on nard anyway. Even if I was entertaining the notion that chaoser could be lying, it would still be better to go for nard over him. OH WHAT THE EFF Let me reiterate: Again, NO REASON. True bandwagoning here, he even admits it. Why the sudden change of heart from vain to nard? Oh, right, so you don't appear suspicious when no one else is voting vain. Why do you not want to appear suspicious? Cause you're scum. A bandwagoning scum. A bandwagoning framer scum, who wants to lynch vain because he framed him last night and knows chaoser checked him, but is afraid of being suspicious because no one else is actually trying to lynch vain today. Ah what? NO TOWN CRED FOR YOU. You haven't contributed jack, son. Well that isn't true, I've found you and vain now which is a pretty clear contribution now  1.) you accused foolish, a pretty much confirmed town, for being mafia just based on the fact that he was accusing you/BB of being scum. This was probably based on the fact that Foolish's posts came across with a feeling of uncertainty that you felt you could take advantage of. In fact, Foolish admitted to doubting his own reads, something I pointed out yesterday. (yesterday? I think it was, at least) Mafia POUNCE on uncertainty. They want to capitalize on mistakes. This is, of course, why Sevryn and hiro were lynched. All of us thought they were scummy, and mafia blended in because they capitalized on their mistakes. A public feeling of uncertainty can bring out mistakes from townies. Just as Mafia tend to give thoughts uncertainly? 2.) you have continued BB's trend of bandwagoning/restating other people's reasons to vote. 3.) you've started your own trend of posting with almost no content whatsoever, or at least content that is highly questionable about your willingness to contribute information. 4.) you've contradicted yourself more than once in a manner that is common to mafia. I don't think any of that's true, I've voted what would be help town at all times? My content is very straightforward, one thing I've purposefully done to make me as transparent as possible, and I have not contradicted myself at all knowingly. Saying I've read the thread, then falling into a hole based on not reading the thread is a lot of things but not a purposeful contradiction. Translation here: "I assumed that we could lynch vain, who I framed, so that he would flip green. Then we could lynch chaoser tomorrow, and because I'm mafia I know he'd flip blue. During the night we'd kill two other townies in the case vain gets lynched. However, I don't give a shit because I know they're both town, so we can lynch nard instead of vain, chaoser will die tonight in this case and then we do a mislynch anyway tomorrow by lynching vain." Remember, this is the same guy that said one mislynch will probably result in a mafia win. I think this up for everyone else to decide if this is a logical leap. It's interesting to say the least I think the rest of this doesn't pertain to me as much, but I suggest everyone read it. I defintely disagree with Vain being town, and the fact that you had to do a complete "180" to defend him seems very desperate. I'll give my own analysis of you, because this isn't OMGUS, this is a last ditch effort to clinch the game, that much is clear to me.I'm think it's pretty clear the remaining scum are nard, vain, wherebugsgo, and the last two are up in the air for me, and I think only one person on WBG's list is scum, I'm thinking kurumi, the rest I bet aren't just from this post. | ||
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On August 29 2011 09:29 xtfftc wrote: Wherebugsgo, I completely agree with your observations of how Bumatlarge's posting developed. He opened with "I haven't read the thread yet but I am going to make a lot of claims anyway", transitioned into "Okay, I guess I'm not right, back to reading the thread" and then tried to keep himself with some "I did contribute but no one believed me because my contributions were rubbish. This is why I'm going to attempt to disrupt discussion by pointing out that some town players are performing badly." Sure, there was a serious case on BrownBear when Bumatlarge joined the game, so he must have felt compelled to be active even before reading the thread in depth but we are going after Nard and Vain at the moment. He has a few days to prepare properly and contribute if he is innocent. Instead, he is obsessed with avoiding lynch. + Show Spoiler + I think you are seeing way too much into the "DT dies tonight" claim though. We expected DropBear to be killed on the second night and Foolishness on the third - and now it's safe to assume that Chaoser will follow. Still, Bumatlarge is clearly mafia. I will post on Pyo, Navillus, Erandor and Barundar tomorrow. Hey I've done it before to our very own host here, and have been spot on. Ask him yourself. | ||
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On August 29 2011 12:51 wherebugsgo wrote: lol I don't remember who, someone mentioned it. I also looked at some of your past games to see how you play. You actually contribute as town, and this game you've contributed nothing. Examples=BC's AA and PTP2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299&user=31777 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=31777 Particularly in PTP2, you were lynched, but before getting lynched you contributed enough to town to win the game (from what I read of your posts, anyway) after your death. You had a persona somewhat similar to the one you have now in Personality mafia, although I guess personality mafia's a little weird cause you guys all had different post restrictions. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=31777 LOL I was town in personality, I got framed by the mafia so that I popped scum. Look at the end game posts. | ||
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On August 30 2011 02:12 Lucidity wrote: I thought I was the only one seeing this shit. wherebugsgo decides X is mafia/town, and then takes every post that player has made and turns it into pro-scum/pro-town, whichever serves his preconceived notions. You don't decide a player's alignment and then build a case around that, you do it the other way around. Sometimes it's hard to look at things objectively when you go into an analysis thinking someone is scum (I was going to post a "supersoft is scum" analysis and while rereading all his posts realised that he wasn't as confirmed scum as I thought going into the analysis), but all your TL;DR analyses read like tunneling/scum painting to me. :\ I've had this bad gut feeling about you all game long, but then you also contribute A LOT, which threw me off. But after the nard and bum flips play out I'm definitely looking at you again. Your massive posts are daunting, but perhaps that was your plan to deter people from analyzing them -.- I haven't read any of your cases and thought, "Hmmm, yes I really like what this guy is saying!". 12 Town vs 5 Mafia, "BUT WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO", as if we're on our way to winning. 12v5 is a terrible situation for us. "BE CAUTIOUS" you say. Then in the very same post you say, "DONT DOUBT YOURSELVES". Lolwut? Vain is Mafia turns in to Vain is 100% town and bum is framing him, based off of nothing really. BB/bum is almost certain to be lynched next, your massive analysis was overkill. But it had a purpose: To save Vain. Mafia can vote for other mafia mate, especially if nard/bum is more important than Vain. Really need to see these people flip and go from there. So you're going to sit back and let him get away with doing this after nailing it on the head dude? If nard is scum and I get lynched tomorrow it will be at 7v4 when the next kills roll in, and even if we lynch vain>WBG right after, it will be 3v2 which is VERY difficult for town to win in. You can't wait to see flips at this point you have think it all out like you just did and act. | ||
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Liquidite- Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Anna, the Schoolteacher. You run the local school, St Filomena, where you are responsible for a class of twenty children. You are not the most mentally stable person around, depending on anti-depressants by the handful to get through the day. Despite this you take your responsibilities to the children very seriously, and will work to exterminate the cult a quickly as possible, for their sake. I'd prefer to lynch vain or pyo rather then myself, obviously. | ||
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On September 01 2011 08:51 chaos13 wrote: Oh and Pyo is scum. ##Vote: Pyo I think you should stick to vain or myself tonight, splitting votes hurts us this late when mafia has a dangerously high amount of players. | ||
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Thought I told you? The vain vote you picked up on was meant to be for when vain popped green. Chaoser could bus the vote onto me by explaining that vain had been framed and it was apparent in my posting. You jumped on it, so I was kinda happy to get lynched and town was too comfortable to call chaoser scum, along with his good play, until the endgame. All those silly connections got you in the end, when it was really just mig and myself going down for the team. Congrats us and good work team! Curu could have probably won it by himself. | ||
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