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I expect this to be a 50p game | ||
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Not sure if I want to stay in or not | ||
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Preferably, I'd have rules made against those, but none resulted from PYP:I, so a warning will have to suffice. | ||
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On January 06 2012 20:21 Toadesstern wrote: voted yes to witness my first ever pm-game :3 Also authed and +x'ed myself in irc to screw with palmar. €: Ah crap, that's not working because my ID is in there as well  connect via proxy server on the web client maybe? | ||
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On January 06 2012 17:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Casually bumping to page 10 Edit, reasoning for not liking PM's- PYP:I mafia, I was still fairly newbie, and on the Lancaster scum team. Kavdragon smurfing as Jimbosilvers pretended to be Chaoser (Scum buddy) on irc, and I asked him his thoughts on the night kill. Both of us got vigged night 1. even if nobody feigns their identity, and no conversations are falsified, things are just better kept in thread. You end up having a similar conversation at least 10 times with different people. The falsified conversations I don't really mind, as long as people realise anything not in the thread might not be real, but the not being who you say you are (via choice of name)... ugh | ||
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On January 10 2012 12:44 Liquid`Sheth wrote: You wouldn't even know about the Hand of Destiny, am I pronouncing that right? , if you weren't the Insane Destiny Fan ! Well, now that you've scum slipped we know there is no Calender Plagiarizer and can go on lynching ~~~~ Flamewheel ~~~~ ? The question is, how does Sheth know then? I think we found the real red + Show Spoiler [Image of Sheth] + | ||
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Known Scum roles: Compulsive Liar Architect of Fate Insane Destiny Fan Corrupt Swiss Banker Suspicous character Not in the game: Calender Plagiarizer | ||
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On January 10 2012 22:26 GMarshal wrote: Why do you assume they are members of the same mafia family? I know for a fact that the Architect of Fate and the Corrupt Swiss Banker have to kill each other off to win. We really need more than three (4 with bold/black) colours sometimes. A second family could be orange. | ||
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On January 11 2012 07:51 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So, I think we should all have to put L before every post in this game. So something like : L I think L is mafia in this game of Mafia L. Should help to remove confusion, provide a clear idea of which mafia this game is and annoy L. We all need roman numeral smurfs! | ||
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I didn't autoscum :O Speaking of auto-scum ##Vote MrWiggles | ||
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##Unvote I'm going to run for mayor. Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that. It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/164/6/1/077___Ponyta_by_cammarin.png) Cheese for mare! Campaign unofficially endorsed by flamewheel As you all know, my scum play is pretty bad, and I have the time to put into the game to discern the scum from the town. Giving me those extra votes is securing a safe town future. I'm going to lynch the scummiest mayorial candidate, and my vote will go to the person that seems to have the most time to (effectively) put into the game. | ||
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On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote: + Show Spoiler [campaign post] + ![[image loading]](http://steinertalent.com/media/uploads/btb_bill_murray/images/Bill_Murray_old.jpg) This is my official campaign post! It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. ![[image loading]](http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Bill_Murray_you.jpg) You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray! + Show Spoiler + Yes I'm 100% serious Bill Murray hasn't even posted yet. Why are you so sure you want him elected? On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote: Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy. So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture. So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate. On January 13 2012 15:09 bumatlarge wrote: I have successfully ruled this person out as mafia. I am good at this game. Explain. On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: A couple notes about the set-up: Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic. Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia. We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them. Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying. | ||
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On January 13 2012 16:43 bumatlarge wrote: He's posting with a positive attitude and he didnt squeem at all at the prospect of lynching wiggles. Plus he took your lameness seriously :D I'm not planning ahead THAT much, and running for mayor as blue is perfectly reasonable reasoning. Unless a vanilla townie is very good, there is little reason for him to run over a townie. I find cheese's posting rather scummy so far. He seems rather content with stepping on peoples posts this game with not much regard to his own. I will review his case. I'm reading through and commenting on peoples play, yes. It was to draw out some reasons behind actions and thoughts that I'm trying to understand the motivation behind. On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: It is not Foolishness's game I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation. On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. Making up your mind on someone not even a quarter of the way into the first day? Seems legit. On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it  Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. | ||
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On January 13 2012 18:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I bolded the part I don't like. Yes, mayor does offer a lot of incentive for scum in the form of uncheckable. However I don't think it's safe to assume that it's a guarentee, and even if they do we may not be able to tell which one. In this case, it's just a better idea to lynch the scummiest player regardless of whether they were a mayoral candidate. Discussion on whether scum will or will not run for mayor is pretty much WIFOM so I'll just leave it at that, the above is what I think and will be how I conduct the lynch if I'm elected mayor. Ok really going to sleep now :D Yes there can be scummier people, but people who push for mayor are exposing themselves to much harsher scrutinization, which means it's essentially a random lynch outside of that pool if we capitalize on the obligations required to run to a decent capacity (e.g make them post opinions and scumhunt). On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Having a campaign is important. We need to know what the person intends to do, and have something we can bind them with. It also generates a lot of meaningful discussion. Yes most of the campaign posts will look similar, but if a candidate is unwilling to take stances on little things now, can we trust them with a power role? Moreover, if they promise things, we can hold them to it. So far, Wiggles is running on scare tactics and a plea, and seems to be very focused on the setup If the day were to end right now, he would be my lynch. From me, you can expect things like: replies within a decent time frame, my votes to be an assessment of the game as a whole (not tunnelling), and honesty. | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: wtf is this post? Your post is nothing if not confrontational without saying anything important. You attack someone earlier for not adding things to the discussion of the thread however you fail to do so here. You want to be elected yet your primary posting style at the moment is to make a massive quote post with 1 line explaining your take on a specific quote. In some cases, 1 word. This is not the behaviour indicative of someone the town would want to lead them. To quote you "I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced" As the way you are playing now all votes on your are misplaced. You are not posting in a manner that is inherently decent. You are not posting frequently with decent contented posts to get a solid read on you. You are not actively attempting to assert a mark on the role that puts you in a spotlight for good reasons. You are in a spotlight because you are insanely shifty in the eyes of many players. EVERYONE should not be voting cybercheese unless he turns his game around now. Even if he is townie and he is insanely good he should know that his posts at the moment are terrible and are not ones that indicate the qualities someone who would be a good leader. As for my take on the other candidates. At the moment I am willing to get behind either meapak, BM, or bumatlarge. of the current people running, each of them has shown they can be active, make intelligent posts, and have clear ones that help get a general read on them. Everyone should be giving their take on who of the current candidates would make the best mayor. This way we can lower the total people "running" by taking the top 3 or 4 choices and voting as opposed to having 7-8 people running. Yes it's less helpful than it could be. That does not mean there was no content. Bill Murray needs to explain his read, and why it convinced him so much for starters. BC, who would you vote for right now and why? Moreover, who would you lynch, and why? On January 14 2012 02:02 rgTheSchworz wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Show nested quote + On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote: /confirm LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot. I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. You give no reason, cite a troll post, yet you are active.I have delved into town-Palmar and yes, town-Palmar usually runs for mayor or takes interest in mayoral elections.More than one-liner posts would be helpful.FoS Palmar. D3, why lynch BM? He first got involved in elections by Foolishness and then posted to say why CC is hypocritical, which is semi-relevant.Maybe he is trying to defend bumat. On the other hand sandro has been like,, I will be running for mayor''. BUT Blueclaim. Rgtheschworz signing out Could you explain the weird formatting? | ||
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On January 13 2012 22:46 Macpo wrote: 2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this? In my first game on TL, I didn't believe Palmar/Jackal when they said something was a joke. I was voting to lynch Palmar. He was the second most town looking person in the game, and flipped medic. Take from that what you will. | ||
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I'm not going to vote for BC now. There's nothing new here, but this was the reasoning + Show Spoiler + If I was a mason, and had a pretty compelling campaign already made, I wouldn't bother claiming as a townie. As scum, I might fall victim to not seeing the votes pile up on me, and try to gain all the town cred I can as quickly as I can to gain immunity to DT's. He could hold any pro-town discussion without claiming. If you want my election vote, remember that anyone relying on their role to get elected isn't worth electing. This is a game of analysis, not blues, and if you start electing because someone is blue, it will turn into 'follow the blue'. On January 14 2012 04:21 supersoft wrote: or maybe he's acting scummy to survive nigth1 OR he's scum, acting scummy to make us believe that he's town, acting scummy to survive the night. Or he's acting scummy because he's scum. Or he doesn't act scummy because it's day1 and he can't do shit right now. Occams Razor demands that he's scum because he's acting scummy. You might as well stop using WIFOM to protect Palmar. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: how is that wifom? Why would I as red ever out myself and another mafia in the same day? Especially when if i had used my mason somewhere else i would be counterclaimed and die? It would mean i would have to hold onto my use and have a scumbuddy claim and thus waste my own power to corrupt a townie? It is pure logic, not wifom. As for masons claiming? Things like this are what my claim were supposed to generate. Forcing people to only post in the thread for instance is a huge deal as it removes a scum form of play, etc... The very fact you as a red shouldn't choose another red makes it wifom. You could do it in an attempt to give the other person cred in the event you flipped. | ||
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If their logs conflict at any point, we get a 1 for 1 trade. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mafia masons have the experience of an entire team to work manipulate someone. Townies only have themselves. The level of experience on one front is far more stacked then the other. By making people discuss what masons are allowed to do, or how they are allowed to act you instead cripple the mafia from the get go. Yes and no. The townie doesn't have to worry about looking pro-town at any point in time, so conversations are very natural. The scum should have problems appearing townie to both the thread and the masoned person. LotR mafia, Radfield was this sort of scum mason, and he chose Sandroba. We didn't get to talk to Radfield all day, because he had to explain his every action to some level of detail in his conversation with Sandroba. And that's discluding the scenario where a townie masons a scum and forces him into speech. If we mass claim masons while making them useless, they essentially become VT's, so the mafia have higher chances of hitting other blues. Intense scrutiny is better all around. Play smart and masons are a very pro-town force. On August 12 2011 06:20 flamewheel wrote: Mafia Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power will be determined when the game begins. You also must choose the Godfather, Roleblocker, Jack, and/or Framer from among yourselves. These [potentially] four Mafia power roles must be separately distributed, meaning one Mafia member can only possess one of these powers. If you do not choose by the start of night 1, I will randomly choose for you. Mafia will also have a certain number of Masons, which can be given to any Mafia (even those possessing other roles). On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: A couple notes about the set-up: Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic. Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia. We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them. Vote me into office, please. I don't know if there's anything to make of this, but I feel like it was correcting. No mafia have roles until they need them, so the GF will not be elected. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Agh should have proof read that, I have another point for why BC's claim is protown. It forces discussion of the issue and it gives us something to talk about on day 1 instead of just discussing the usual things which often lead nowhere. As scum, the status quo of talking in circles day 1 is great, BC's claim interupts that though and suddenly puts people (especially scum) on the spot to talk about an issue that is not normally present day 1. It's discussing the set-up, we don't really need that when we could be scum hunting. There is enough information generated by elections already. | ||
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On January 13 2012 15:57 bumatlarge wrote: Mason Favorite role, I kind of laugh when I see mafia masons, as they are not good at all. It's basically more work for mafia to convince people in the thread and then in PMs. Still be wary. There is a lot of mindgames in PMs, but nothing is as cool as being sure the other person is town. It's basically like a mini-game of mafia. Give each other analysis, and plan out what you will do with the other person. Better yet, mason me and we will a force to be reckoned with. On January 14 2012 04:52 bumatlarge wrote: I don't think people are understanding where BC is coming from, a town mason is more likely to just immediately get rights, but if you look at scum mason; They have to pick them. Do you think mafia right off the bat is going to grab the mason role and start yapping away? I think if BC is mafia, he is doing us a favor. I think masons should claim in thread, the faster the better. It forces mafia into an awkward position, or else they can't claim at all. Why and how did your opinion completely change? | ||
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On January 14 2012 15:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Hydractinum, for the record, I'm absolutely NOT ignoring your post. I'm reading it over and over and over and over again, pausing only slightly to read BC's posts over and over and over again. I officially withdraw from the election. This race is dead anyway. Get back in there son, you have my vote. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote: Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting. Turn everything you do into about 3 paragraphs, even if it could have been a line. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:30 bumatlarge wrote: Well just because I think mafia masons are bad, doesnt mean they cant be useful. I think BC's plan does a good job of stopping their use, or severely attaching scum to one another. Nice try Monsieur cheese  I'm pretty good in on-on-one situations, so I don't view mafia masons as good. But, oh yes, that is my "generic blue advice" no one needs to hear my genericly awesome mason reading powers. they'll just figure out everything I don't say on their own! Silly me.It also completely shuts down town masons, which you thought were excellent. Why are you willing to give up such an awesome protown role, where two townies could be 'a force to be reckoned with', just to cancel the abilities of the scum masons, which are 'not good at all'. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:38 bumatlarge wrote: Town masons claiming doesnt shut down town masons. They can get into contact with any individual they want? They are unrole-blockable, and they eventually have to release the information/analysis they find. I never say that anywhere. Did BC say that? BC was talking about ignoring PM's completely, and he's been wishy washy on whether he's keen on all the masons claiming. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote: I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss. One paragraph down, two to go | ||
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On January 14 2012 17:01 Scamp wrote: Mattchew the important part of elected officials is the immunity. You want to get a real power player in that spot. For reference, see the game where the mafia team used all of their KP (I think they had three) just to kill Ace because he was such a force in that game. That's the kind of player you want to have immunity. Without that immunity, the best protection is some sort of 50/50 with the town medics, and you never know how reliable they are. Also, y'know, the day 1 lynch is often a big deal. Anyway, I actually like your last couple of posts and you've earned my vote. I don't dislike his last few posts either, but they seem to be fairly setup heavy, and could have easily been posted by someone on either side imo. Could you be a bit more specific? Which parts of which posts did you like? | ||
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On January 14 2012 17:29 wherebugsgo wrote: people who need to die: Palmar opz cyber cheese people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually: sheth people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die: bumatlarge Palmar you covered. Why opz/me/sheth/bum? | ||
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On January 14 2012 17:42 GiygaS wrote: Sorry nvm, everyone but CC. Alright well, Opz was there, but I don't see Sheth or Bum either. | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Yes it's less helpful than it could be. That does not mean there was no content. Bill Murray needs to explain his read, and why it convinced him so much for starters. BC, who would you vote for right now and why? Moreover, who would you lynch, and why? Could you explain the weird formatting? Casually bumping this. It not being in the default formatting suggests to me that it was made in a forum other than TL. | ||
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On January 14 2012 18:52 Bill Murray wrote: CC why the hell would you say that? Even if I know BC's role is worthless, and I agree with you, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT NOW THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO wow If one person could work out it was a retarded and useless plan, what makes you think a team of 10 couldn't? I couldn't just sit idly by and let the rest of town not figure that out for themselves. If the mafia masons acted vanilla, and picked off the other masons, the town masons they don't kill look bad by default. I can see a lot of scum motivation to try and make the masons claim/nerf any advantage the masons could provide. At the end of the day, BC appears to be pushing to nerf the pro-town force that is our masons, by scaring us with the prospect of scum masons. You end that with a FoS on BC, where exactly do you stand? :/ | ||
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It's much easier to post as town. PM games are pro-town, and masons are a step closer to that. Posting on a mason QT and in the thread is much easier than having to appear townie on two fronts. Mafia masons only exsist to allow us to doubt the allegiance of town masons. BC seems to trying to scare us out of using one of our advantages. BC seems like an intelligent player, and as such, I doubt he would have offered a plan unless he knew it was going to assure him some sort of benefit. Contrary to what someone said, people did have some time pre-game to speculate on the setup. BC showed in mafia XLVIII? (the 80p game) that he did put effort into thinking through strategies before games started. | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:34 Bill Murray wrote: Elect Bill Murray 2012 ![[image loading]](http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2008/09/medium_BillMurrayformayor_io9.flv.jpg) Alright, before I go to sleep, I'd like to give my own reasoning for myself being mayor. My actions thus far have been to prove my being town, to scumhunt, and to try to pick up on associative tells. We need to get our shit together with all these mason claims. Are people open to me lynching a mason claim if I come into office? If so, I'll be lynching OpZ or Mattchew. BC put pressure on the mafia if he is an original mason. If BC was masoned by OpZ, though, everything changed in my opinion on that. If elected, I promise to sort out this mason business sooner rather than later, whereas the mafia will just put it off like CC said - they will be hunting for detectives, docs, and vigs I have been trying to refrain from spamming. Sorry for the 4-5 posts in a row, but I have a lot to catch up on, and I'm a vocal player. Am I not doing my best to scumhunt? I have been trying to clear people based on towntells, and trying to lynch people based on slips. I felt like I had a GREAT slip earlier from OpZ and BC, but then I realized, through Sheth's post, that OpZ had claimed mason. Like I said last paragraph, if elected, I'll handle that sooner rather than later. Scum can only completely ignore masons if the town plan is to not use them. | ||
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Kenpachi is that flaky every game, it was really easy to mislynch him day 1 in a similar scenario @ steamship mafia. You are better than that, and should be proud to live up to the higher standards you set for yourself. That said, I'm not in favour of lynching you, it's just an elaborate no. | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:54 Adam4167 wrote: EchelonTee: ”Adam, I’m curious if you are still for cheese” I missed this line because of the whole “–town” debacle that occurred right after it. And the answer is… No, I've since put my vote on Protactinium. I don’t trust cheese since a large portion of his posts have been shitty. He can change my mind by doing some great analysis though. GGQ: You’ve had some experience playing with Palmar, should we hang him based on his meta of being obstructive and lazy as scum? Jackal58: In your last post, you agreed with Nisani201 that lynching Palmar based off of meta alone is a stupid idea. Do you feel that Palmar should warrant a ‘stay of execution’ until day 2 so we can better determine his alignment? Umm yeah, I'm not about to make an overly large and word for word perfect post. I'm going to get my thoughts out there so others can assess them, if they are good, someone else will agree with them. | ||
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On January 14 2012 20:02 Macpo wrote: It's getting clear that Bill Murray is the way to go. Mr Wiggles, a good town, but he just doesn't want to be on the stage too much, so I guess the mayor role doesn't suit him very well. BC: way too unclear and risky for me; he is trying too much stuff, going for a thousand contradictory stuff, taking back what he said and so on. Bill has shown a lot of presence, and has made reasonable analyses, plus he is not afraid. That's enough for me up to now, I think we won't have better than that. To those complaining about me being rational, it's getting obvious that they prefer random one line crap to argumentation. I'll answer back when they'll meet my standards. Also, I changed my mind on Cybercheese, as he opened my eyes on the the BC case. To bill: some people here have NOT posted yet at all!! I feel fine about lynching sandroba, as he acts quite scummy, but I suggest that if you are elected, you lynch someone who has not talked yet. statistics we'll be that it is mafia. Your list of election candidates is lacking. My post there was heavily inspired by Protactinium. I'm not voting him because outside of that post focused purely on BC, he doesn't seem to have left many opinions on anything, or made any promises we can hold him to, but as is, he seems like one of the better candidates. Also, what are your stances on Kitaman, VisceraEyes and MrWiggles On January 14 2012 20:51 wherebugsgo wrote: if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine. The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that. So, that just strengthens my case even more. TL;DR, go die, scum. WBG, you might be right, but with meta alone you aren't very convincing. On January 14 2012 20:57 Palmar wrote: No, because you don't have a case. My play is in no way, shape, or form bad. Take away the Palmar name, and you have someone you'd probably have a town read on. This means you're not reading the game objectively, and thus it's your play that's bad, not mine. If you remove meta from a case, it should still have some merit to it. Does yours? The only possible way you're playing well right now, is if you're scum. You always get trapped in an 'I'm being accused, the person must be scum' state of mind Palmar. Remember what happened with Ace in XLVIII? | ||
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On January 14 2012 20:57 rtgICEMAN wrote: yeah i think its gonna be betwen BC and Bill for election.I am still hesitating about the right person and i also think that one of them is mafia for some reasons.Peace. There are two elected roles. If one of them is scum, who do you want in the other spot? | ||
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Competitors I would consider lynching Risk.Nuke- He disappeared off the face of the earth after a few posts. Slardar- Makes a more or less throwaway campaign long after theres about 10 candidates. Has barely any thread presence. BC for his anti-town plan. Other people we should't elect Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to. Sandroba. Neutral Bumatlarge directed blues, and wants to kill me, so I'll pass. Wiggles. Would like to vote for VisceraEyes currently has my vote. This is more because I want him to stick in the running and see what his next move is more than anything. Kitaman. Protactinium has no campaign promises or anything to hold him to, akin to wiggles, except he made the original case on BC, so he ranks a little higher. Would probably vote for Bill Murray. He's very active, and seems willing to listen to people while thinking for himself. Meapak is a strong contender. Myself, if it was an option. | ||
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On January 15 2012 01:16 Mattchew wrote: [/b]I showed PM log, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=44#867, sorry this is really hard not to type in caps. I have been transparent, open and honest this entire game. The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements. Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming. Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd. Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do. + Show Spoiler + Thank you for using your brain. Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me). One last note on my alignment. I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office. Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension. I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all. Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better. There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns. Those 3 are Bill Murray BloodyCobbler Myself As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked. Read the OP more carefully, a lot of your argument is based on 'scum have to choose their masons' which isn't true. Also Foolishness outing you You declaring that you're a mason, and announcing your candidacy | ||
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On January 15 2012 01:29 risk.nuke wrote: I have no experience with anything like this before so if you wouldn't mind feel free to explain it warrants an "are you crazy?". It might be crystalclear to you, sorry but it's not to me. Problems: 1) Fake claim. 2) Bodyguard replacements. | ||
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Additionally, why did your campaign take so long to start if one of the bonuses is you being a mason who used the ability really early? You confirmed your role 8 hours before declaring your candidacy, and foolishness had also posted really early on BM's qualities. | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote: Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1 Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:15 Mattchew wrote: imma quote myself from earlier So much WIFOM. 13 hours is a long time for mafia to act. What are the real odds that you and Foolishness are scum buddies? | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:24 Mattchew wrote: Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person. Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game? On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote: 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BYLTQ.jpg) On August 12 2011 06:10 flamewheel wrote: Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
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On January 15 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote: and re. I'll be voting BM right now. d1 (like RL-d1) I thought it's the most horrible thing possible but he gives me townvibes. There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us. I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know. wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2. Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else. Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo. Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed. I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something. I'd like to hear from Foolishness now. What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray? | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:11 Jayjay54 wrote: [/b]ok whatever here I go. Look at this little post made by yours truely (there are more in my filter): It's Mattchew as you now know. Ask yourself. Is that a scum post? Is it? Really? REALLY? Didn't think so. So, if you are scared of ending up with a scum mayor. Vote Jayjay for mayor. That's right. I put myself out there. Not because I am experienced. But I got good reads, am active (probably one of the most active ones), look beautiful and I am not really a scum as I've shown! Just giving my town friends another option. Mattchew seemed to be easy to control for the brief time he was here. I could theoretically have seen voting for him as scum agenda. Not only that, you're attempting to take town cred from the flip, and use it as the sole basis to start an entirely new wagon? | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:24 Toadesstern wrote: actually yeah. I have no idea what you're up to at this point in time. I'm going to quote from my sheet: I tried several times to get something about you going but I never was able to put something into words. You're like THE nullread I have in this game and I don't know why I have so much trouble to figure you out. Want to to me a faver and tell me real fast who you want to lynch and who's the best mayor in your opinion (other than yourself) ? I don't really want to read your filter again right now Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough. Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough. Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it. To clarify the lynch. I want the scummiest person who ran for mayor. I'm just not sure who that is at the moment. Sandroba seems like a decent option. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:36 Toadesstern wrote: so that's sandroba for lynch, VE for lynch or risk nuke for lynch and BC for mayor? Or was sandroba another viable option for mayor for you? Sandroba is definitely an option for lynch. This was my most recent posted stances on the game. What's changed since then? Slardar did nothing. I expected nothing, I feel like there are better lynch choices that I can get better reads on. BC convinced me he thoroughly believes his plan is good, and outside of the plan/claim I think he's a good candidate. Sandroba, I'm not sure in particular, I just feel like he didn't nearly put as much effort into his campaign as a townie would have, and I disagree with his stances. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: How does that make someone scummy enough to lynch CC? Someone you were going to vote for, how does that make them scummy? Because when I put myself in your shoes, as a townie I would have recognised that my campaign was still valuable, where as part of a scum team, I would have planned around myself being out of the running, and not needed to resurface it. For now, I'm going to ##vote: BloodyC0bbler and see how those other two I would consider perform while I sleep. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:08 Jayjay54 wrote: so. does CC die now? :D Well, obviously, I hope not... | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote: The kind that shoot GFs D1 CC, stfu. Wrong. The kind that doesn't care if they hit townies or not. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If it's any consolation, I've taken you off the lynch list, because putting you on it was related to what I would do in your shoes, and failing to understand my own role and vigging on day 1 isn't something I nor anyone I would hold to that standard would do. That, and I know as a scum buddy of yours, there is no way in hell I would have approved that action. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:31 risk.nuke wrote: Nothing about this 'don't tell them what you will do', wifom shit matters. If CC is scum they will roleblock VE, if CC is town mafia will still rb VE. Protip: If you elect me, you don't have to worry about it. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:40 risk.nuke wrote: Foolishness filter in the op isn't working. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=47499 There's a couple of others that didn't work, but I don't remember them. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:02 Toadesstern wrote: could we have an update on how the election is going? I did one manually + Show Spoiler + Votes for MrWiggles (0) Votes for Bill Murray (3) VisceraEyes bumatlarge Macpo Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for VisceraEyes (1) blahz0r Votes for BloodyC0bbler (7) Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia Cyber_Cheese Foolishness Votes for Protactinium (3) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (0) Votes for Sandroba (1) Nisani201 Votes for Mattchew (Void) jayjay54 (Void) Scamp (Void) Votes for Supersoft (1) Bill Murray On January 15 2012 06:08 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Palmar do I look scummy to you for defending you? I mean I should look scummier for that. Can you tell me what you think the benefits / cons are for just EVERYONE who is Mason claiming now or being revealed by their mason buddy? @Jitsu It wasn't necessarily directed towards you just towards everyone in general. For those who don't have time to read this all VIGS : Jitsu [bl] Mattchew [/bl] Opz BC I'm posting this because I'm sure the mafia have noticed who they are and I wonder if townies have noticed as sometimes they've been hidden in long posts. I just think its ironic that we as town have revealed possibly 4 blues to mafia for very little reason. I feel like Opz's claim + VE revealing you (Jitsu) were useless claims. I understand Matt / BC's claim, and I'd like anyone else who wants to claim to have a reason for it. Hold up, why are you blue hunting Sheth? | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC. Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember? In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! The occams razor thing was to stop the WIFOM, not my personal stance. When I said I wouldn't vote for BC now in that original post, well right then I wouldn't have, because he felt the need to claim his role. After thinking through the mason plans, I disagreed with it and was willing to lynch him. His continued belief after that his idea was good, and his other townie looking contributions outweighed the doubts I had about him. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:13 L wrote: Someone just made a claim to the strongest town role in the thread. He has multiple avenues to confirm his role if he's not lying. No shit I'm going to ask him if he's going to shoot THE PERSON HE ALREADY TRIED TO SHOOT. Jack has too many limitations to be the strongest blue role. On January 15 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Seriously guys this is all hands on deck. I'm very town and I'm very Jack. I need to be mayor. VOTES ON VE GOGOGO This isn't me trying to leverage my role to win the election - if I wanted to do that I would have done that already and not called BC out on it right after his claim. This is me trying to keep one of our most powerful roles IN THE GAME. I'm not going to do anymore stupid shit if you elect me. You aren't seriously demanding to be given more responsibility after trying to day 1 vig? Use your veteran life and rely on heals. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: He hadn't added anything new to the equation that wasn't already in thread when you changed your LYNCH CHOICE TO BC. He repeated the stuff he'd already said...I know, because I was asking him a specific question that he was failing to answer. Re-read what I said carefully, and then with a straight face tell me what BC said between the time I wasn't going to vote him and the time was willing to lynch him was in any way important. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:48 VisceraEyes wrote: We were never BFF...he attempted to buddy me by telling me not to drop out of the race. Did you read my case? Do you disagree with my points? Now he's trying to discredit my case, not by refuting the points but by calling me an idiot and acting incredulous about my reinserting myself into the mayoral race. If you disagree with the case that's fine, but don't call it OMGUS...that's very NOT the case. If I were scum buddying up to you, why would I completely change my mind? On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Would like to vote for VisceraEyes currently has my vote. This is more because I want him to stick in the running and see what his next move is more than anything. Your next move was staying out of the election. It was pathetic and scummy, so I decided you were a good lynch candidate. I suppose I should dismiss the rest of your accusations... On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! WHAT? HOW DARE HE RECOGNISE THAT HE WASNT FIRST? What sort of scum would be man enough to admit that an idea wasn't original if it was giving them town cred? And OMG HE DIDNT CHANGE HIS VOTE STRAIGHT AWAY EVEN THOUGH HE HAD MANY HOURS LEFT IN THE DAY?! Do you have any other OMGUS I should dismiss? | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I wanted to kill C_C to get people OFF of BC because WE HAVE TO CONFIRM HIS ALIGNMENT AND THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE IF HE'S MAYOR!!! I don't know what's so hard to understand about this - C_C was a strategic choice that was thrown off by my misunderstanding my role. The last game I was in had Jacks and I assumed (like a boss) that they were the same. They obviously are not. Protip: If you want to prove someones alignment, lynching someone else rarely if ever helps. | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Note the change in tone JayJay. At first he was earnestly trying to convince me that my case was mistaken. After you decided that it's OMGUS, suddenly I'm just retarded and my case is entirely OMGUS. I can't make this stuff up guys. I was going to ignore the crap you call a case completely. You should feel honoured I even bothered. | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:18 Toadesstern wrote: also because someone mentioned it (think jayjay) if VE WOULD be a dayvig, shooting CC would be an awesome move. This election is hard because we don't have flips and there's a lot of possibilities. I think sandro is pretty scumm atm for example. However, I'd like to see some flips that are in some way related to him or see himself flip to back that up. If I got a flip that somehow tells me I am wrong about sandroba that'd be a huge deal. Shooting d1 is dangerous but in this situation very much a good thing for town because of information gain imo. You need to re-define 'awesome move'. | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:59 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't need an explicitly written case just because someone who I think is scum asks for one. I really don't understand what mafia players attempt to accomplish when they insist there's no case on them and then demand one. It's just a waste of time. Which, I suppose, is a win for you. You love wasting time as scum. Cases don't become invalid because they use meta. The fact that you're suggesting something that Cyber_Cheese would agree with is pretty damning of you. (no offense, Cyber_Cheese, but it's clear you don't actually understand how powerful meta is) Also, it's funny you choose to defend yourself and have not put forth ANYTHING about anyone you think is scum, and go to sleep only a few hours before deadline instead of actually doing something productive. You have no interest in town affairs beyond looking townie or at least surviving till day 2 because this town is full of pussies who aren't willing to lynch a vet day 1. Man up, all of you, and lynch this guy. HOWZAT On January 15 2012 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Is this nothing? Can someone experienced tell me why this is nothing? If it was something, it would have taken off, the same with Bum's *case*, and I would have been lynched. I'd strongly advise you don't waste your shot on me. | ||
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On January 15 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote: lol. I'm not scum. Palmar played exactly to his scum meta. That's not my fault. Sure, in hindsight you can blame me for the lynch. I'll take responsibility for it. Being wrong doesn't make me scum, however. It just makes me vocally wrong. At any rate, if you can find reasons to call me scum, go ahead and do it. I'll respond to any accusations that are put up. The part that is your fault is that you only considered meta. I don't think a scum member would have pushed someone so hard with such a weak argument, so I'm not really holding it against you yet. | ||
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On January 15 2012 16:51 Bill Murray wrote: CC, that's not true, you can use meta as an easy reason Are we playing the same did? Did you see how that turned out? | ||
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On January 15 2012 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote: @Cyber_Cheese Would you point to a post with content that Palmar made during D1 that wasn't within 30 minutes of the lynch please? Failing that, could you stfu about WBG's meta-only case on Palmar? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=62#1233 | ||
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Yo, VE, Protractinium, Adam4167, Kitaman27, MrWiggles and EchelonTee What are your thoughts on: Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? BM/BC being the elected pair? Who would you look into lynching next and why? Double Lynch tomorrow? Other people are encouraged to answer this too. My stances WBG deserves scrutiny, but at worst is a null read to me I feel like BC didn't really explain his choice of lynch in the lead up, and choosing Palmar feels random and underly discussed. I'm relatively fine with the elections. Those were people I both wanted in. On double lynching, I feel like earlier on would be better, if we use them well, we can shrink mafia KP faster. Of course, there is some risk, but we also gain more information on where people stand. Next lynch. An election candidate for sure. Previously I had assumed MrWiggles and Kitaman were sleeping or something, but they really didn't seem to have much impact going into the elections. I feel like they would be better options to lynch than VE or Risk.Nuke. I would still support lynching Sandroba. | ||
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On January 15 2012 18:16 Bill Murray wrote: VE and CC you all are cluttering up the thread I'd also like to complain about Kurumi's filter not working http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=68386 | ||
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On January 15 2012 19:34 EchelonTee wrote: Cyber_Cheese, can you link me a game where you were town? I glanced through some of your previous games but they were all scum LOL. My first game: Cosmic Horror Filter I replaced in, and lurked hardcore: My Little Pony Mafia Filter Replaced in, never really caught up with the thread, but it's probably the most appropriate: XLVII Filter On January 15 2012 19:40 EchelonTee wrote: @CC, care to explain why you feel wiggles/kita are good lynch choices? Well, It's more that I feel the 'worst' candidates should be carefully scrutinized. Someone who announced their candidacy, and then appears to have more or less disappeared half-way through day 1 is inherently scummy to me. A townie shouldn't be losing interest in the elections, especially when they were so up in the air for so long. I'm not sure which people fit that best at the moment, with things like if Risk.Nuke was just replying because I included him in the list of candidates or not. I will go through them in more detail at some point later on in the night. | ||
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On January 15 2012 22:19 Adam4167 wrote: Nice list there Bill Murray, I find myself agreeing with most of it. Any reason why: 1.kingjames01 9.Kenpachi fail to earn a place? Which parts do you disagree with? | ||
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On January 16 2012 01:20 rgTheSchworz wrote: Ok, I see you have responded.Good, first things first: I noticed you actually only contribute when you are threatened.Your post confirms that.Suspicious but not nearly enough to make a case. Then You proceed by attacking your attackers, namely JayJay and me. You're working based on the assumption that your posts are awesome, which they are not. You have started a campaign then continued by NOT PUTTING ANY EFFORT.You accuse JayJay on no basis, instead making the assumption that he's scum to explain your POV. Utter bullshit.You want to basically isolate me by telling me to use,, I will''. And you know that without town's support, you're free to live another day. SCUM He still hasn't explained this different forum formatting, I vote lynch this guy | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:36 GGQ wrote: lynch protact or cyber_cheese yo Based on? | ||
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On January 16 2012 16:11 Lanaia wrote: 7. Cyber_Cheese - I believe he is mafia. Very poor mayoral campaign. Why bother when your main platform initially is how bad you are as scum? Also, you want to lynch someone based on his formatting. That's kind of strange, I feel. The formatting looks like its copy pasted from a quicktopic, and he refuses to explain it. | ||
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On January 16 2012 20:43 rgTheSchworz wrote: Well, yeah, i didnt take the time to format properly, i agree. But the assumption that I copy pasted from a mafia QT is going too far. I missed your first 2 one liners, because, well they were 1 liners. In the beginning i also made the mistake of editing one post for spelling, when normally i shouldn't have. I hope that you realize that i can make mistakes that are, well, mistakes, and not OBVIOUS scumtells. I don't even... it would take you less time take time to hit quote and reply... but whatever, you finally acknowledged it, that's all I was going for ##Unvote I need to sit down and think about this game at some point | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:02 Chaosquo wrote: ggq: posts quite aggressive and short, but wherebugsgo and palmar made similar posts. I leaned scum, but null read right now. BAM! SOFTDEFEND So I took a look at Chaosquo's Filter On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote: What is it with Ciryandor?1 Palmar, are you now trolling us? I agree with Toadesstern that a) you are mafia and dont care about the game or b) you have a special tactic, but randomly accusing him does not help ..2 Wiggles: Does your post mean you are stepping down as candidate?3 On that topic, could all people that are serious in their campaign make it clear? For me, right now there are: BC, BM(?), kitaman and risk.nuke. I think the number of candidates has to be limited to enable a clearer choice. On January 14 2012 01:44 Chaosquo wrote: I was just commenting on your playstyle. I was just following the meta on you (town=vocal, scum=lurking), but seeing as you were quite active as "scum" in resistance, I retract my statement. But still posting one-liners is not helping much, no?24 On January 14 2012 01:46 Chaosquo wrote: I have to ask: Is the kill Ciry thing a meta thing? Because I didnt see much scummy things from him.1 On January 14 2012 08:38 Chaosquo wrote: I still think BC is quite towny, as he put himself quite into the spotlight and his posts didnt raise suspicions. I just cannot imagine he would risk his quite good shot at an elected role by claiming mason if he was scum. Therefore, I think for the time I'm going to vote BC for mayor. I could be totally outplayed, but so be it. Or maybe I put too much value into an elected scum. I am a new player5, so I can imagine that good scum team can manipulate a inexperienced player, but he will probably only influence the game with his single vote (if he's green), so I can see why masons staying hidden is advantageous for town. Also, since I got ignored the first time, why is there so much hate towards Ciry?1 I dont think his posts are very scummy, but there are 3 people (sandroba, proactinium and sheth) pushing for his lynch. I also dont think this alone is a scumtell, but its still pretty irritatiting .. 1 - Protects Ciryandor multiple times. 2 - Casts doubt on both Palmar 3 - And Wiggles 4 - Apologetic 5 - Calls attention to his inexperience ##Vote Chaosquo | ||
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Jayjay, What's your opinion on Chaosquo? and on GGQ? NK's usually have a lot of WIFOM, I hardly feel like that's something to base a whole argument on. And how did you manage to include math in that? | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote: I know that I am against BC basically since he claimed his role, but based solely on the NKs there are quite a lot indicators that point against him. Also against sandro but he was masoned, maybe he was talked into that stuff. But I def feel that a Sandro lynch will help us out a lot. Case has been made. He doesn’t provide anything. He masoned BC. Even if he flips town, we would learn a lot about BC imo. There is no better choice right now. When did Sandro mason BC? why are you willing to lynch someone who could very well be a townie? Why are you trying to stop conversation with 'the best choice right now' when we have a chance to find someone better? | ||
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poor guy But alright- ##Unvote ##Vote Macpo | ||
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On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote: So cheese, while you're around: -You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit? -What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames? -Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech? VE, I'm not sure. It was either a really clever scum move, or a really dumb town one. I'm leaning on the latter. Kenpachi is an unreadable lurker at the moment. He was this useless in Steamship too as a VT. Kingjames, I haven't really considered him often, I have a relatively weak town read. He's prodding the elected officials, which I like. You and Echelon fall more or less into the same bucket, I've kinda seen your posts here and there, but not really considered them. I don't think there's enough content on either of you to come to any conclusions yet. | ||
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On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote: What? Are you willing to vote to lynch a person you think is townie? wat | ||
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On January 17 2012 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose. | ||
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On January 18 2012 01:31 Jitsu wrote: C_C, you said in you're post: I might have read it wrong. Can you elaborate? On January 17 2012 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose. [/QUOTE] | ||
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On January 18 2012 01:12 Jayjay54 wrote: Hey good, we’re finally agreeing on something. Is it though? There has never been so much agreement in a mafia game ever. It is the best bandwagon ever. And so convenient. He made some newbie posts and everybody is pointing at him. Mafia is just leaning back and letting us lynch the noob. There is no interference whatsoever. Either mafia has chosen to let him just die or he’s freaking newb townie! This will simply be mislynch. Even worse, we’ll get ZERO information from a possible mislynch. Nada. “Hey everybody was agreeing. Yay. Let’s lynch him”. We’ll be as smart as we were before. I realize that, I won’t get my BC vote…and not even sandrobar. But if we take a “lesser” player, let’s pick GGQ or chaos. If we mislynch here, we get information regarding sandros and chaos alignment. Wake the fuck up, tow! ##Vote: GGQ For now….if there is someone else gathering more votes, I’ll reconsider, because I think that mac is the wrong choice. No gain, mislynch and no information at all. I have two problems with this. 1) Mafia could be bussing. 2) You pointing it out is a defence However, what you say could carry weight, and at any rate he hasn't posted since page 80 so he might be eligible for a modkill today, and that really would be a waste of a lynch. If people are up for Chaosquo lynch, I will swap back. I'd rather give GGQ longer and hope he comes back, or vig him. | ||
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On January 13 2012 19:41 Adam4167 wrote: This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be: Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles. Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic. Nobody picked up on this. Not sure why it never garnered more discussion. It's fear mongering, to try and not protect the best scum-hunters what? There were, and still are, a ton of options for dealing with this, which could leave town with trading 2 for 2 if both are replaced. There seems to be a huge lack of content. This is his best post to date: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 20:01 Adam4167 wrote: Filter problems: -glurio’s filter is linked to D3’s. -Jackals filter is linked to glurio’s. Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? - Im disappointed that Palmar was yet again made a focus of discussion on day 1, but he was right, there was almost 10 people doing far less then him (incoming modkills), yet he gets flack for it, based solely on his name (meta). - As far as the WBG situation, I can see it going either way, right now he’s null to me but I cant fault him for wanting more out of Palmar, I did too. Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? -Nope, should have followed his read and hung protactinium. Not that I think Prot is scum, I don’t, otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for him, but if BC is going to be swayed by the loudest voice in the mob, he may as well have just stepped down and let someone else win. I wanted someone who was confident in his reads, not making compromises with his suspicious mason buddy. BM/BC being the elected pair? -Well, I didn’t vote for either of them. Right now I like Bill Murray a whole lot more then I like BC. He’s posting, maintaining a good thread presence, contributing in the discussion. BC’s rash Palmar lynch, which seemingly came out of the blue, has me concerned that it went to the wrong place. Who would you look into lynching next and why? -Right now, I think VE is doing a good job of causing chaos and being a general distraction. I wouldn’t be adverse to him dying, regardless of his retardo jack claim. Palmar thought Ciryandor was scum, and now that we know it was coming from town Palmar, I give it weight. -I want to see what information our modkills bring, plus the nightkills. I am hoping maybe one or two scum get flipped in the modkills or vig fire, then I can start looking for associations. -I’m surprised Erandorr didn’t come under fire for his meta of refusing to play scum, and posting nil this game. I’ll be watching his replacement like a hawk. Double Lynch tomorrow? -Im all for a double lynch tomorrow. Less people shitting up this thread is good because I’m spending 3 hours catching up on this thread after I wake up, then a further couple of hours reading filters (/whine). On a more useful note, increasing our KP is a good idea. I find Jacks and Vigs far less reliable and am much more in favour of democratic scum killing then “I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOURE SAYING, ILL BLOW YOUR FACE OFF CHEESE” kind of ‘scum’ killing. On another note: -I asked GGQ a question, never got an answer. I can only assume he’s read it. His last post said “I’ve only read up to page 57”, and my question was on page 50. Id have really preferred the answer before Palmar was lynched. He’s ended up on Foolishes watch list, and his last post is defending someone on Foolishes scum list, so Ill be keeping an eye on this one for sure. But it only spawned because I specifically asked him about it. On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote: So cheese, while you're around: -You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit? -What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames? -Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech? Why do you want my opinion on you? If we were both town, How would that help us in any way shape or form? It seems like an 'Am I hiding well?' type question. On January 17 2012 19:45 Adam4167 wrote: Oh come on, that was fun ^^ Lets consolidate on Macpo for now, deal with Chaosquo at a later date. ##Vote: Macpo Shutting down discussion on candidates other than Macpo? My vote is definitely not necessary if we want Macpo lynched. | ||
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Again, I refer back to Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini. And a couple of brief points on L: -He mentions that there are a lot of candidates, and few votes on the leaders, so to fix it, he adds himself as another candidate? Those 'cloaked kingmakers' aren't necessarily bad, it's town trying to sort the candidates for the most part. -Asking VE if he was going to shoot me, scum was probably already talking about NK's at that point. If I was being shot, they wouldn't need to shoot me. | ||
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Here's a train of thought; BM calls Lanaia is scum. BM protects Lanaia to 'reduce mafia KP', even though it didn't, nor could it have. So what did it achieve? It saved her from kp. There were plenty of options, why Lanaia specifically? Why does BM want to protect someone he has a scum read on? I see scum buddies or blue hunting as possible reasons. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else. So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ. Did you just completely dismiss the case on BM? | ||
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On January 18 2012 10:57 Kenpachi wrote: Alright, lets not vote double lynch. BM still holds a strong role. I dont want you guys to make a stupid rash move as to lynching a potential townie in a highly favorable position In other words, you're happy to see that the sheriff is scum eh? | ||
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On January 18 2012 11:23 Adam4167 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2012 05:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Adam4167 (Filter link) Nobody picked up on this. Not sure why it never garnered more discussion. It's fear mongering, to try and not protect the best scum-hunters what? There were, and still are, a ton of options for dealing with this, which could leave town with trading 2 for 2 if both are replaced. There seems to be a huge lack of content. This is his best post to date: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 20:01 Adam4167 wrote: Filter problems: -glurio’s filter is linked to D3’s. -Jackals filter is linked to glurio’s. Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? - Im disappointed that Palmar was yet again made a focus of discussion on day 1, but he was right, there was almost 10 people doing far less then him (incoming modkills), yet he gets flack for it, based solely on his name (meta). - As far as the WBG situation, I can see it going either way, right now he’s null to me but I cant fault him for wanting more out of Palmar, I did too. Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? -Nope, should have followed his read and hung protactinium. Not that I think Prot is scum, I don’t, otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for him, but if BC is going to be swayed by the loudest voice in the mob, he may as well have just stepped down and let someone else win. I wanted someone who was confident in his reads, not making compromises with his suspicious mason buddy. BM/BC being the elected pair? -Well, I didn’t vote for either of them. Right now I like Bill Murray a whole lot more then I like BC. He’s posting, maintaining a good thread presence, contributing in the discussion. BC’s rash Palmar lynch, which seemingly came out of the blue, has me concerned that it went to the wrong place. Who would you look into lynching next and why? -Right now, I think VE is doing a good job of causing chaos and being a general distraction. I wouldn’t be adverse to him dying, regardless of his retardo jack claim. Palmar thought Ciryandor was scum, and now that we know it was coming from town Palmar, I give it weight. -I want to see what information our modkills bring, plus the nightkills. I am hoping maybe one or two scum get flipped in the modkills or vig fire, then I can start looking for associations. -I’m surprised Erandorr didn’t come under fire for his meta of refusing to play scum, and posting nil this game. I’ll be watching his replacement like a hawk. Double Lynch tomorrow? -Im all for a double lynch tomorrow. Less people shitting up this thread is good because I’m spending 3 hours catching up on this thread after I wake up, then a further couple of hours reading filters (/whine). On a more useful note, increasing our KP is a good idea. I find Jacks and Vigs far less reliable and am much more in favour of democratic scum killing then “I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOURE SAYING, ILL BLOW YOUR FACE OFF CHEESE” kind of ‘scum’ killing. On another note: -I asked GGQ a question, never got an answer. I can only assume he’s read it. His last post said “I’ve only read up to page 57”, and my question was on page 50. Id have really preferred the answer before Palmar was lynched. He’s ended up on Foolishes watch list, and his last post is defending someone on Foolishes scum list, so Ill be keeping an eye on this one for sure. But it only spawned because I specifically asked him about it. Why do you want my opinion on you? If we were both town, How would that help us in any way shape or form? It seems like an 'Am I hiding well?' type question. Shutting down discussion on candidates other than Macpo? My vote is definitely not necessary if we want Macpo lynched. Nice case there cheese /rolleyes That first post you’ve quoted is not fearmongering. That was a strategy discussion and I brought it up to potentially thwart scum knocking off both of our elected officials and some of our best scum hunters. Yes, my filter is lacking, I acknowledge that right here link my friend died in a car accident on the weekend. The only reason I haven’t asked for a replacement is because I know there aren’t any, with close to 10 people getting modkilled. You said it yourself “If we were both town”. I don’t know if you’re town, I’m really doubting it now though. I do find your case on me interesting however, not once do you call me scum. You try to cast doubt on me and construe things in a way that make them look worse then they are. Are you trying to see if your case takes off before you finally come out and say it? Lets see how you answered that post where I asked you about myself and ech: -VE could be town or scum. Thanks for that one Sherlock. -Null on Kenpachi -Null to weak town on kingjames -Null on Echelon -Null on me Are you even trying? Bugs, you want me dead because you think I’m saying ‘weird shit’? I’m here to kill scum, not people who say stuff I don’t agree with. Are you? They are things I wanted to hear you reply to. If it was a case, rest assured I would have put more effort in. It doesn't address you directly because at that point discussion was dead. | ||
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Scum don't usually like to take risks. If they already had a strong candidate on the line, why risk another? If it came down to denying one scum role. The mayor chooses a lynch and gets three votes, it's easy enough to make sure the mayor mislynches, and mason the mayor and attempt to sway him on later days. The sheriff's power however, could block KP and save townies. Sheriff seems like the obvious choice. | ||
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On January 19 2012 04:39 BrownBear wrote: I dislike the use of the argument "One of the mayor or sheriff MUST be scum because scum wouldn't let both spots go to townies" because it's just... not accurate. Sure, it's pretty logical to think Mafia would throw a candidate out there, but people place too much faith in Mafia's ability to win elections based off their super-secret voting bloc and their supposed ability to con their way into office. In the end, a mafia candidate has to win his office based off of solid reasoning and debate, not by virtue of mafia being able to sprinkle a few extra votes his way. What if Protactinium was the mafia candidate and he just happened to lose a close race to BC and BM? What if WBG was the mafia candidate, and he just scrubbed his campaign epically? What if mafia pulled a double-fakeout and stayed completely out of the mayoral race, knowing we'd be picking the winners to pieces and spending less time trying to find them? These are all questions we should be asking. Do I think one or both of BC or BM is probably mafia? In this case, I wouldn't be surprised. However, the argument "One of them must be mafia because they're elected officials" has no place here. Not quite what I was trying to convey. Like I said, scum don't like to take risks, so I believe they only had one strong candidate, and this is another reason I believe said candidate is BM. | ||
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On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote: what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man Chainsaw defence? | ||
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On January 19 2012 05:01 Jayjay54 wrote: sorry, you should have specified that as I said, bugs is listed as town in my books... and why wouldn't they attack me in the slightest, when I did the same thing? To much speculation imo. Well, if the person being defended flips scum it's a relatively solid tell. It is possible for townies to defend each other like that. Why wouldn't they attack you? On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote: what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man The bolded part seems to be a very crucial difference. | ||
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On January 19 2012 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Step up and lead town then Jackal! You've got my sword! And my bow! | ||
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On January 19 2012 10:05 Foolishness wrote: Does night end at 7pm PST? Err, 12pm KST, whatever that is in PST. | ||
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On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote: Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here *his case* seems to be the Sandroba one he's mentioned quite a few times now. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:01 p4NDemik wrote: Secondly, he just latches on to another case when explaining his vote (keep in mind even cybercheese didn't feel strongly enough to vote for Chaosquo), this feels like a lazy cop-out for having to post an explanation. Wat? Blatantly untrue... | ||
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On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote: I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading I don't mind being lynched I've failed you all as a Sheriff On a night where jailing scum would have reduced mafia KP, he didn't incarcerate. Is anyone surprised? | ||
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On January 20 2012 08:38 GGQ wrote: I think there's more that enough on BM to justify a vote right now. The second vote is trickier, I'm considering supersoft and p4ndemic, but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching kingjames. No one seems to have noted that cyber_cheese's activity level is sharply decreased this day phase, which only furthers my suspicions of him. Not that this determines his alignment one way or the other, but can WBG confirm that supersoft did, in fact, mason him? I got stuff to do, and I'm pretty happy with my votes at the moment. Anyone who is indecisive, get your ass on Chaosquo. | ||
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We get a lot of new information with the lynches and nk's, and the sooner we kill mafia, the sooner their kp is lowered. ##Vote Double Lynch | ||
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On January 20 2012 14:47 Nisani201 wrote: OK then fine, you're calling him out for being consistent and pressuring against Protact... Chainsaw much? If anything was a chainsaw defence, you just attacked Meapak for his case on Opz. | ||
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On January 20 2012 19:29 Jackal58 wrote: I called my shot before the day post bro. Woah, I thought you were sputtering random crap.. No-eL, pretty clever | ||
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On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote: The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two? | ||
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On January 21 2012 01:50 Scamp wrote: So is politeness. Why did you feel the need to answer a question asked of someone else? The point is, however, using today as an example, does he really think we're going to be in a good position tomorrow for a double lynch? I'm confused, why do you think we will be in a bad position? | ||
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On January 21 2012 02:46 Jitsu wrote: Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel. Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post? So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:50 p4NDemik wrote: God why do I feel there is a gigantic disconnect in logic between me and the supposedly brilliant players that have gotten us to this point in the game. The fact they keep going to their inner circle of veterans to bolster themselves and not ever speaking to my actual points is killing me. If this means what I think it means it could be incredible but I need town to go with my logic please guys! I feel like I'm putting good logic out and being met with strict rhetoric at every end. Solution: Stop relying on their circle, and rap with the other active people in the thread. I've been a little busy today, and as I've previously said, I'm pretty happy with where my votes are. That said, if anybody wants me to take a stance on their case specifically, I'll make time to discuss the persons in question. Also, DOUBLE LYNCH! Look how many people seem like valid lynches right now. Carefully consider how much more information we gain from the double lynch today, and the NK's. If we cut mafia KP fast, we lose less townies. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am taking your judgement on this. The only reason I am ok with lynching sandroba is because of a comparison of this game and two others he has been in. First off everyone look at sandros filter from this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=21688 Now compare it to a game he was town which was Mafia XLVII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=21688 and a game he was mafia which is pick your power interesting http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=21688 The level he has contributed this game is near non existent and aside from being slightly active day 1 he has fucked the dog completely. Much like he did in pick your power interesting. As such I am opting to lynch him over BM. This is because the general read on BM is hard as hell. BM is always hard to read and could very well be a hatter. With that in mind, I don't want to lose protrac and will opt to off sandroba instead as to keep one of the core analyzer alive longer. I was in PYPI, it had PM's so everybody's filter is worse than it could have been. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:28 Toadesstern wrote: quick question: Why did sandroba vote you d1 to be mayor? How is he supposed to know? Ask Sandroba... This is why it's hard to 'gain traction' with whatever lynches you have going, every 5 posts someone asks the leading townies a question and puts their decisions back into the spotlight. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:34 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but I'd like to hear bc's opinion on that one. We discussed the post I am referring to a lot and a lot of people said I'm scummy because of that. That's what I'm talking about: I'd just like to know if BC thinks sandroba will vote a town mayor (as a mafia) just to get palmar lynched when supersoft and wbg already did the half the job. If he's a townie and thinks sandroba would push for a mafia mayor there's no way BC should vote sandroba over BC unless both BC and BM are town. Derp, I forgot about the day 1 mason :/ | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:46 hiro protagonist wrote: I think what is happening behind the seanes is that there seemed to be vary little in opposition to lynching BM, where as Kingjames01 still does not have many votes. Also, if your scum suspects are voting for BM, then you might rethink who would be the best lynch. I would be suspicious too, in your shoes, but for me, BC,Protac, and Foolishness reads are similar to my own, so its easy for me to except this. Sandroba is today's best lynch along with Kingjames01. Cyber_Cheese and Jackal, sense your here, wanna help lynch Sandroba? In a word, no. I don't blame Foolishness/Protract/BC for being scared of BMs claim, their fear of losing Protract is why Sandro is suddenly popular. I have the best feeling about BM at the moment. Short of that, Chaosquo seems best. I'm not convinced by arguments on Sandroba, they were essentially made day 2, and he seemed townie enough to me on day 2. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:47 Jitsu wrote: Ok. Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff. I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed. I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order. I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore. Can we end the bullshit now? Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio? No, we can't. I want the logs where you convinced BM that it was a good idea. Or the logs of how it went down failing the need to explain it. And while you're at it, any other logs. | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No, we can't. I want the logs where you convinced BM that it was a good idea. Or the logs of how it went down failing the need to explain it. And while you're at it, any other logs. PS, if you are town, this won't take long to procure. | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: For those uncertain about their second vote and uncomfortable voting sandroba I highly recomend GGQ. Alright, I'll swap to BM/GGQ I'll probably push Chaosquo again if he shows up again. + Show Spoiler [Chaosequo case re-hash] + On January 17 2012 02:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Is it just me, or is that some timing? Just as Sandroba decides GGQ as his vote BAM! SOFTDEFEND So I took a look at Chaosquo's Filter 1 - Protects Ciryandor multiple times. 2 - Casts doubt on both Palmar 3 - And Wiggles 4 - Apologetic 5 - Calls attention to his inexperience ##Vote Chaosquo I'm convinced Chaosquo scum mostly for protecting Ciry multiple times and not doing much else D1. Not sure if he's up for a modkill at this rate anyway...So... He defended GGQ, and that's enough to be worth a GGQ vote for me, let alone the GGQ cases themselves. ##Unvote Chaosquo ##Vote GGQ On January 21 2012 07:09 Jackal58 wrote: I made that argument when he was first pushed as a lynch and was ignored. This is beginning to look more like one, if not more than one, of your triumvirate knows BM is most likely a hatter. If that is the case lynching him would be a most excellent thing to do. And don't start telling me how many scum you guys have outed. 2 were killed by Vigs. Plus outing your entire scum team is en vogue atm. Several of us in this game just did it with very successful results. I am leaving shortly and won't be back on until late tonight. I foresee a real clusterfuck occurring over the next several hours and am sorry I shall have to miss it. I must have misinterpreted that when I though scumslip, no? On January 21 2012 07:10 p4NDemik wrote: His only actual ban has been a 2 day that plexa gave him because of a mafia incident but I don't have any context as to what it is. Mafia matters are mostly carried out through mafia and I don't know any of what Bill's transgressions are. This is so frustrating that his bad history is coming into play like this to try to discredit a perfectly good lynch. If he acts like this as town he shouldn't be allowed back into games this is idiotic. If he is town won't he just get another ban immediately? If he cared enough to come back into this game why does he have motive to be an idiot again? I'm not seeing this BM is a troll town case and this is feels like a cop out. Bans are for breaking the rules in the OP. | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:44 Bill Murray wrote: yeah, and who was #3 on my list? Risk.nuke. The guy who started tunneling me for no reason after my list? Yep. If you had a list then, is it maintained? E.g, is there a 'latest version' so we can see where you're at? | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:49 supersoft wrote: Futhermore, I want to know if echlontree has already played a few games so far, and if so I need the gamenames/links would be extremely kind. ;-) If he's newb, I think he got coached there: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 19:00 EchelonTee wrote: Candidates and their main platform post+summary: kitaman bumatlarge-(also made a post here) Wiggles - town CC Foolishness (for BM) risk.nuke BM BC sandroba VE Meapak Cyber_Cheese and Foolishness comes off to me as most untrustworthy. Quotes in spoilers are marked with red numbers. CC 1. Though there isn't anything egregiously wrong with being super generic in campaign post, this post is also very very sparse for a campaign post. This is less of platform than Wiggles' non-platform platform. The "my scum play is bad" nonsense is also suspect. Stating that he intends to lynch a scummy mayorial candidate is interesting, but as it stands, he in essence is just saying "I will lynch a scum, and vote for a pro-town/active person". Not compelling enough for a platform. 2.Now that candidates have spoken, I'm interested who CC thinks the "scummiest candidate" is, as atm your posting has been incredibly sparse for a potential candidate. CC is either apathetic or evasive with information, neither of which are favorable for a mayor position at all. 3.Wiggles forgetting that Mayor has 3 votes was already stated in the thread. CC is not only answering only a small snippet of Wiggles' post; his assertion here doesn't really make sense in context of the thread. Why is he psuedo-analyzing Wiggles' post? He is commenting on the most obvious part of Wiggles post... something is just strange here. Also, Mayor's power increases a LOT as LYLO approaches... I don't like how he downplays it. 4.Bum's post isn't inherently scummy but could be construed as such; trying to lead blues astray / gain credit by telling blues what to do can advance a scum agenda, but if you look at bum's post, his blue list is pretty...... tame. It's just general advice; at this early part of the game I don't see how you can see this as scummy. It seems like you are trying to intentionally cast doubt on his position, unfairly. 5. This feels like weak back pedaling... bum's post doesn't reek election on power; though his blue list is long, he's just stating strategy. 6.Honestly I'm most interested in CC's tone... posting style is very sparse as noted, but the very point-by-point feel to his posts, especially this section, feels like he is trying to put out a minimal amount of information while still trying to sway things a certain way. Posting minimally can be good, but when also trying to get things done... I don't know. It's strange and evasive. Adam, I'm curious if you are still for Cheese. Will make another post on Foolishness and who I like for mayor... this is taking forever lol. He was on a scum team with me and Adam4167 in Wiggles mini (Somewhere in my filter, ctrl+f Sephirotharg and it's in that post.) That was the format I was using in that game for my arguments. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:54 risk.nuke wrote: Let me tell you what happend. Someone set up us the bomb? | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:57 jaj22 wrote: EchelonTee's only game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296791¤tpage=22 Very strong scum play for a first game IMO. I wouldn't underestimate him. I find that somewhat ironic. Of all people to call someone elses scum play strong. If I'm not mistaken, Election Mafia was your first game here. For anyone that wasn't following that game, Jaj22 subbed in for MarserBlood. They were scum naturally. There's a quote that essentially sums it up. On December 27 2011 06:07 jaj22 wrote: Marserblood was indefensible, and would no doubt have been added to the long line of newbie town corpses if he'd stayed in the game. It essentially boils down to: If it wasn't for Marserblood, he might have carried the scum team as the sole survivor. | ||
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On January 21 2012 11:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Change back to BM. Sandro being modkilled makes it an easy decision. Short of that, Chaosquo? Oh derp. Suggests a modkill victim to replace another... | ||
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On January 21 2012 11:53 Munk-E wrote: + Show Spoiler + So, this time, I'm going to vote for sandroba, and bill murray. Here's why BM On January 18 2012 19:02 Bill Murray wrote: GG scum we lynch Protactinium and BC tomorrow and we are guaranteed 1 scum, bringing their KP down starting after my last analysis of him, we have this post. not much analysis here, I just think it's pretty funny. It's a point that he keeps asserting that one of the candidates had to be scum, but he never mentions that it's actually him. He's just getting greedy trying to get them both lynched. On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote: I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading I don't mind being lynched I've failed you all as a Sheriff good to know, And I agree with you, you HAVE failed us. On January 19 2012 14:20 Bill Murray wrote: sorry to spam, guys, but my GF is here so I won't be able to be back on any more tonight I wish you all the best if you lynch me, GG, and I hope you all lynch the right one between BC and Protactinium, unless mafia didn't run for election, and something weird is going on like Foolishness pushing on the best scumhunters at random intervals like I did in Hesmyrr's mini theme. again, he seems convinced here that he's going to die, and doesn't mind it. The situation doesn't look good for mafia, and he's very resigned in his posting after last night when GF died, and only 2 mafia shots hit. On January 19 2012 14:33 Bill Murray wrote: I agree with KingJames The mafia are making moves on scumhunters. This is either BC, Foolishness, or Incognito's handywork. I am not going to sit by and watch this happen. I know 4 people who I believe to be town due to role related information. Take that as you will. I really don't need to be dying today. I don't think mafia subbed BGs, or I'd be dead, and they wouldn't be wasting their time lynching me. I'm a jailkeeper to them at the least, and dangerous, as I am a protown power role even if I don't have another role. However, I actually HAVE another role. I am a Mad Hatter, but I only have one bomb out. You all need to allow me at least tonight so that I can get maximum utility out of my role. Thanks. I'll be on tomorrow. This is just sad. He's so desperate, he doesn't know what to do. It took him this long to think of an idea that might not get him lynched, and just said it. No crumbing or anything. Pleading isn't going to make me believe, especially after his previous posts when he was so resigned. On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote: I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him; I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie sandroba needs rope really badly My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive. Cwave masoned me yesterday Jitsu masoned me yesterday one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff As stated before, protac seems like the most town to me, and even BM says he thinks BC is scum, so even if he is hatter (which he's not) He's not trying to kill scum, he's doing the most scummy thing imaginable: he's taking hostages so we don't lynch him. Well no he's not, there's no way he's actually a hatter, he just saw a chance at surviving and is taking it. On January 20 2012 18:14 Bill Murray wrote: I am going to be reading after GSL, and I live in the Eastern time zone. This should prove to you all how much I want the Teamliquid town to improve. It takes individual growth for us to grow as a team. I'm not 100% sure what to make of this... Aparently, GSL fan = townie? Somehow, I imagine that the mafia can be a fan of StarCraft 2 also... Or is he claiming he's town because he plans on eventually reading the thread? Does that help his individual growth? I'm probably looking into this too much, and he was just drunk or something, but it genuinely confuses me what he meant. On January 21 2012 07:17 Bill Murray wrote: First off, I'm going to throw out a disclaimer that self meta is generally worthless. However, I am the king of self meta, for what it is worth. As the mafia GF, when Incognito (he is playing on the name Protactinium) was on my team, I really slipped into obscurity, but I was actually VERY active out of the thread. It's the same when I was an assassin and killed BloodyC0bbler as he killed me, causing no assassins to win whatsoever, and I was out of the thread entirely. I have been posting in the thread on d2 and d3, though. When I'm mafia, if I'm going into lurking mode, I post way less frequently than I'm posting - sorry for the WIFOM - but it's true. I know people change, trust me on that, but how can we grow as a town unless you all let me help you? I have not one, but TWO abilities for the town, and you all are thinking of canning me? Why'd you elect me? I'll tell you why I don't want to lynch kingjames. The game I was looking into the other day where he was endgamed and Jackal was scum is very similar to this one, and he was a townie in that one. I know this is a big topic, but changing styles from game to game is very easy, especially when you define posting style as how often you post. I'm guessing this has been discussed tons of times before, but especially in this case, where he's pointing out the difference. Also, I'm confused as to why he's voting kingjames if he keeps saying he's town. Then he has a bunch of posts about his plans as hatter. It really is convienent, It's a roly that makes him sound not worthless, yet is inconfirmable be everyone. Kudos to him for thinking of it, and shame on anyone for believing it. Doing sandroba next. Don't bother, he's up for modkills Choose another person, and fast. | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:17 Toadesstern wrote: TOLD YA GUYS. Thx for bitchslapping me left and right the last 2 days because my case on sandroba was retarded. Consider myself, VE and hiro to be confirmed townies from now on. I'd very much like to get us 3 on the list of protection as well because if mafia shoots one of us that's making the next lynch a little bit harder for you because we're confirmed imo. Have you ever heard of reads being too accurate? And look how much you flaunt it so... | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:29 p4NDemik wrote: Speaking of reads being too accurate is anyone concerned about the unbelievable predictive powers of our triumvirate concerning the sandroba lynch? The quick switch after past rebuttals feels like a possible bus of an expendable teammate. Very plausible that after almost half a day into the cycle and no responses someone may take the initiative to capitalize on a player who otherwise has no value. kingjames as I said before doesn't tell us much. i think most of us are baffled by his play. real headscratcher and we're really going to have to dig hard to find mafia hiding in this bandwagon i feel like. for now, i'm spent gl in your night actions fellas, chose wisely and keep in mind what we've seen go down today. i'll see yall on the flipside. Oh shit that townie BM is going to take me down with him? Suddenly makes more sense I suppose. | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:38 Jitsu wrote: Could it be possible Mafia was pushing it as well to waste out double lynch? Maybe we were onto a second solid candidate and they wanted that bandwagon to roll because they A. knew he wasn't coming back and B. wanted us to not have a decent second vote. I don't really regret using the lynch on Sandroba now I think about it, he could have voted last second and survived. | ||
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On January 21 2012 19:56 Jayjay54 wrote: We actually might consider L being the scum candidate. He ended up being godfather, so apparently scum wanted to give him DT immunitiy. If L was the red candidate and just couldn't get the leverage behind his campaing... Or, they already had a candidate who would be immune to DT checks anyway On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote: I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading I don't mind being lynched I've failed you all as a Sheriff On January 21 2012 12:09 Bill Murray wrote: I've used night actions both nights On January 21 2012 12:10 Bill Murray wrote: I jailkeeped lanaia and I put a bomb on mystlord On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote: I'm not taking a bomb off I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC. Inconsistencies much? | ||
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On January 22 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG's town beta is based on drawing logical conclusions based on evidence from checks/flips. His game this game is to jump to conclusions based on meta. This game is NOT like his standard town meta aside from him being jerky toward anyone who questions/suspects him. You're being obtuse Protact, and I think you're better than this. Look again bro. Now you mention it... Has he made ANY lists based off the votes/flips yet? I remember him using them heavily in Steamship... | ||
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If you ladies actually feel like helping town, instead of making one big post with all your reads a few seconds before the deadline, interact with us, even if it is night time. In my experiences so far, scum actually tend to do the whole one post thing more often than town, because it allows for questions and the like. | ||
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On January 15 2012 00:41 L wrote: 1) There are a LOT of mayoral candidates. Many of them seem to have prepared their candidacy prior to the game. Candidacies prepared prior to the game don't give us any information (insofar as submitting candidature goes) because they are done in the absence of role or alignment information. The surplus of candidates as well as the pre-prepared quality of many indicates that candidacy itself is devalued in this game. to dismiss this On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote: + Show Spoiler + This is my official campaign post! It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray! + Show Spoiler + Yes I'm 100% serious | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:10 Toadesstern wrote: didn't you say 1 page ago that if GGQ flips green we have to insta-lynch meapak? How did you change your mind so fast? You saw the GGQ-Meapak thing, plan around shooting GGQ, and get offended that he didn't push Meapak. Not to mention, every single one of your reads is correct, and you rub it in continuously when you could be providing more discussion. ##Vote Toadesstern | ||
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On January 23 2012 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote: Yes, I realize my actions helped keep BM alive day3. I will not make the same mistake, Of course I will help you lynch Bill today. I thought It was obvious in my last post thats what I wanted to do. I also want to re read the thread, which is what Im doing now. better to check twice than make a rash decision at this point. also, everyone should vote for the DL today. ##Vote: Bill Murry ##Vote: Double Lynch As for the results of my day 2 check, I will release that if it becomes relivent. As for now, I Have a good reason for keeping that info quite  Give us the name and alignment, so we can work with that. We don't actually need to know the persons role. | ||
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On January 23 2012 05:18 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, maybe you're new to mafia but sorry that is stupid. Crumbing works like this. When you die and we see your role we can read your filter, find your crumbs, and understand your nightactions. You can't crumb since you've already claimed. The mafia couldn't target him and the person in the same night I suppose | ||
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Toad, VE, supersoft, risk.nuke and kitaman all need further inspection imo, will get around to writing up some analysis at some point. | ||
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On January 23 2012 07:55 jaj22 wrote: Not until Hiro's under genuine threat of a lynch, at least. Just name & alignment is fine for the moment. What? Are you bluefishing? The alignment is all that a townie should care about. | ||
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Toad, VE, supersoft, risk.nuke and kitaman Said people, what are your opinions on each other and jaj? | ||
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On January 23 2012 08:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote: jaj, what do you think of these people: Toad, VE, supersoft, risk.nuke and kitaman Said people, what are your opinions on each other and jaj? add rgTheSchworz to that circle when answering plz I want his opinion on the others too | ||
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On January 23 2012 08:35 jaj22 wrote: Just checked, and he said Green. I can't figure out whether the pros and cons of releasing the name are worth it in that case. One less VT to shoot is one shot more likely to hit power roles. | ||
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On January 24 2012 08:18 Cwave wrote: Funny that you list Sandroba(your first mason "target") as your second. Show me Meapak logs please right now and ill reconsider my vote. Note to self, remember this post. It's where I started doubting Cwave and p4NDemik are town. BC's getting a lot of flak, and realisitically, he seems unlikely to be scum, quadruply so if/when BM flips scum. Rather than push other scummier looking people, those two push someone who has already had tons of time in the spotlight. | ||
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On January 24 2012 03:07 Jackal58 wrote: If an individual that was capable of only typing X suddenly started typing Y you would notice. It goes beyond meta. It's Bill Murray. I spent 3 pages fighting with his smurf in a game until he was mod killed. He was town in that game but his play was the same as it is here in this game. Lies and deceit. It's Bill Murray. Whether he's town or scum doesn't matter. This is how he plays. I don't profess to understand it I simply recognize it. Anybody that claims they can determine his alignment by his actions is lying. All I know is he has the same 20% chance of being scum as the rest of you did at the beginning of the game. However he will be the topic of 90% of the discussion while he's in the game.As such his alignment no longer matters. That makes Foolishness intentionally pushing BM into the spotlight right from the get-go seem scummy. I wouldn't be surprised if BC/BM are town, and Foolishness is pulling the strings. | ||
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On January 24 2012 03:20 supersoft wrote: “We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact.“ actually i am really not over this. I think if you flip red, BC and BM are confirmed town for me. And you still gave me no logs. Why? | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:08 Lanaia wrote: Sorry guys, was afk with homework stuff. I feel bad for not voting BM. Glad to see some scum finally get modkilled though. This makes me feel a bit better about our situation. I'm not so paranoid about us autolosing now. This seems like an 'I wish I could have got town cred' to me. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:12 Toadesstern wrote: you haven't given me a single reason why you think I am mafia, same goes for wbg. VE thinks I'm mafia because I did not believe his claim because of that random pattern+ I did not know you can't RB vets, which was a huge deal for me because that explains why mafia did not RB him. But yeah sure, lynch the guy who lynched macpo, made everyone voted Sandroba and lynched BM. THERE! He continually brings up where he's been for town cred, instead of looking forwards and procuring new reads. This is why I think Toad is scum. | ||
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^This Given the mod kills, full disclosure is a must. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:38 Slardar wrote: Mason hunting.. well technically with how it's worded Mafia could have 0 masons, that is if they hypothetically can choose not to have any Roleblockers...considering most of the scum have claimed RB. So can Mafia type out GG if they want to and throw in the towel? Well this more than exonerates BC in my eyes, I was pretty much wrong on every call! Time to do the exact opposite of what I'm thinking. I'm Arsonist, you're all fucked. Something about that suggests he's mafia wanting to GG to me. The way it's posed more as a question than a statement. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:47 hiro protagonist wrote: As many people have deduced in the thread, my n2 check came back blue. which is why I decided not to reveal the name. I am at work right now, so thats why my posts are brief. I will give a full explanation when i get home. All we need is a name and correct role. You should be able to do that quickly now and explain later. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:45 Toadesstern wrote: np slardar, you're probably going to be lynched tomorrow alongside with opz anyways, so no need to gg out early. On January 24 2012 12:48 Slardar wrote: Sounds like a solid case you got there Chief! I'll leave it to your genius knowledge, wisdom, and plethora of mafia tactics that you surely have at your disposal Toad! ooo a bus? | ||
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On January 24 2012 13:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: He's legit. I'll be healing him, other medics can WIFOM or w.e Things I should note: I purposely ignored idiots like Supersoft who tried to direct me. I can make my own damn decisions, and if you tell me what I should do, I'm probably going to not do it to spite you. Person I healed, in order of nights, and reasoning L - I agreed with early on, more because I didn't like the main candidates. Jayjay54 - Active p4NDemik - Active in thread *cough actually discussing things* AND analysis. Best breadcrumb On January 14 2012 03:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: In my first game on TL, I didn't believe Palmar/Jackal when they said something was a joke. I was voting to lynch Palmar. He was the second most town looking person in the game, and flipped medic. Take from that what you will. I ran for office mostly because of my role, much more so than actually wanting it. This is why I was so vocal about the not needing to claim to get in office crap, if we were doing it by blues, why the hell would anyone save a mason? | ||
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On January 24 2012 13:29 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but jayjay and p4n are both good choices as well. Just not vets :p So no problem for me. He looked green before "claiming" medic and this list makes sense, confirmed townie that is most likely going to be shot tonight. (wifomwifom!) Moreover, they were people I wasn't told to heal. If there was one thing I could change, I regret Protract dying. Healing the mafia godfather comes second though I figured scum were avoiding people on the protect lists judging by the night 1/2 kills, and I couldn't imagine a protect list that didn't include him, so that definitely factored in. At any rate, what's done is done. More importantly. Hiro being confirmed means they have a roleblocker. | ||
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Think I 'analysed' once, and then just fearmongered. Gotta work on that a little. Also, I feel like Flamewheels support for my campaign gave me an unfair advantage over the other competitors. + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 14:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Cheese for mare! Campaign unofficially endorsed by flamewheel I suggest he be subject to more scrutiny when hosting in the future Seriously though, awesome game, thanks hosts. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:40 Adam4167 wrote: I wanted to do it so bad as well, I was just slightly handicapped by rolling the wrong side. I even wrote up a post pre-game, volunteering to sub in as a BG, then to my dismay, I get town. 2 new-ish scum as a trade for both elected positions, 2 quality scumhunters and if either of them happened to be blue is a trade I was happy with! It sucked that real life got in the way of me really getting into this game, but these things happen. Still don't know why cheese was focusing on me so much O.o To some extent, that was based off impressions from the previous game. The kind of person town could follow sort of thing. On January 24 2012 14:24 Toadesstern wrote: Thx to wbg for making those noobs think I am a mafia without even giving a single reason why I should be mafia :p I'm so going to get you lynched next game no matter what. Also I demand that observer / dead people QT You did that to yourself with the continually mentioning perfect reads (which is actually impressive now that you've flipped) | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: L and BC are beast scum players because they can consistently be wrong yet still be listened to. That's because they actually have arguments. | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you should have just decrypted the message I sent you and roba. As hilarity here it is once upon a time there was a magical animal that was furry and brown. It may have been a bear. This creature was so strong that it felled all who went after it. Hearing of the might of this legendary monster a deadly swordsman with an eyepatch made his way and felled the monster with a single blow. As he walked away, wind made the bells in his hair jingle. Never would have got Kenpachi out of that for some reason. Which reminds me, Lynched him D1 steamship and we won as scum. Didn't lynch Kenpachi this game and town won. Seems like the 'don't lynch Kenpachi or town loses' is legit. Probably because a town ready to lynch a lurker really sucks at scum hunting tho. | ||
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On January 25 2012 00:55 Palmar wrote: Yes, by your response I figured as much. It really did seem like you genuinely just went with an easy lynch since you didn't have time to actually scumhunt. I mean, I don't care that much, it's actually a good opportunity for people to understand why meta is bad. It's bad play, and I'm certain that in hindsight you agree it was bad play, but I mean, we all fuck up. Me lynching YM in that huge-ass game wasn't much better, although I did provide a case, but that case just concluded he was being an asshole, which should have told me he's town, not the other way around. Essentially this. I can't believe they let BM off the hook day 3 because of his meta. Yes the bomb thing did play a part, but when the posts are 'It's BM, he could do anything', that's just stupidity. | ||
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On January 25 2012 01:48 Jackal58 wrote: I should probably apologize for posting while drunk but I won't. Just as long as you keep your vig shots sober while I'm town, you're forgiven | ||
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On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote: Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol. Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town. Only if he had said it from the get-go IMO. I figured he meant me about halfway through day 4, and knew he was going to reveal me as medic, I just wanted to see it come out correctly to be sure of him. I was tossing up whether to disagree with him, and push him for lynch before revealing day 5, or whether to full claim night 4 like I did, and then I realised mafia would know it was the truth. | ||
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