EPTPalmar's SCUM play took a nosedive. His townplay has obviously improved vastly.
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Palmar's SCUM play took a nosedive. His townplay has obviously improved vastly. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On January 15 2012 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote: @Cyber_Cheese Would you point to a post with content that Palmar made during D1 that wasn't within 30 minutes of the lynch please? Failing that, could you stfu about WBG's meta-only case on Palmar? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=62#1233 | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 15 2012 18:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=62#1233 Yeah that's a good post. Carry on I guess. -,- | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
Yo, VE, Protractinium, Adam4167, Kitaman27, MrWiggles and EchelonTee What are your thoughts on: Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? BM/BC being the elected pair? Who would you look into lynching next and why? Double Lynch tomorrow? Other people are encouraged to answer this too. My stances WBG deserves scrutiny, but at worst is a null read to me I feel like BC didn't really explain his choice of lynch in the lead up, and choosing Palmar feels random and underly discussed. I'm relatively fine with the elections. Those were people I both wanted in. On double lynching, I feel like earlier on would be better, if we use them well, we can shrink mafia KP faster. Of course, there is some risk, but we also gain more information on where people stand. Next lynch. An election candidate for sure. Previously I had assumed MrWiggles and Kitaman were sleeping or something, but they really didn't seem to have much impact going into the elections. I feel like they would be better options to lynch than VE or Risk.Nuke. I would still support lynching Sandroba. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I'd also like to complain about Kurumi's filter not working | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On January 15 2012 18:16 Bill Murray wrote: VE and CC you all are cluttering up the thread I'd also like to complain about Kurumi's filter not working http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=68386 | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On January 15 2012 07:00 Kurumi wrote: Because Mafia elects roles on Night 1 (that's correct?) they have no special powers prior to Night 2? Is this true? So ~OpZ~ and BC are confirmed town, if they are really mason? Who masoned who? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
@CC I don't find WBG to be very scummy - while he pushed Palmar pretty hard, I agreed that he was scummy so I don't find his tunnel to be particularly damning. In the same vein, I don't fault BC for choosing Palmar, as I knew he would at least consider Palmar as a lynch and that was a deciding factor when I chose last minute to vote for him. On BM/BC, I still dislike the fact that we can't really confirm BC's alignment...the most I can hope for is that BC masons solely with people who know what he's capable of in PMs and his alignment will be clear, as he's promised, through his play. I was pretty all over the board yesterday on who I would support for mayor. I did vote for BM and supported him for mayor, but switched to WBG solely because I supported a Palmar lynch and that was his platform. I still didn't have a problem with BM as Sheriff then, and I'm glad he got it now. I think he'll make a fine choice. Overall, I think it will be at least D3 before we're really sure on whether it was a good election or not. I'm going to do a reread overnight and I'll answer your question of who I'm keen on for tomorrow's lynch before daybreak. Regarding the Double-Lynch. With 48 players, we've got a few days even worst-case...and I don't want to force worst-case by double-lynching without being sure. I'd rather use the DL when we have some kind of confirmed scum that we can lynch in addition to a town-decided scummy lynch. If that happens tomorrow, so be it....in that way, we can make up a day if we end up hitting 2 scum rather than possibly being set back a day risking hitting 2 townies. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
ahh well, that's not what I thought, either whatever, we can work with it, even if we don't have a confirmable PR yet Our masons are truly expendable. Sheriff is a protective role. The person I lock up can't die at night. I can limit mafia KP that way, or I can tactically use it to lower their KP in another way, but where it would be hard to know whether or not they doublestacked, I'm not sure if I want to go that route, even if it was my original plan. I am going to go ahead and post who I'm going to arrest before the night ends | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Bill Murray
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EchelonTee
United States5252 Posts
On January 15 2012 18:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote: What are your thoughts on: Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? No, I don't think WBG is scummy. I was reading through WBG's filter over and over; WBG starts his case on Palmar here, RIGHT after Palmar posts that he isn't interested in running in the election. He sees Palmar not running and is instantly suspicious; whether or not meta is reliable, WBG goes directly on Palmar with pressure. contrast this with this post by zeks, where he's all like "Palmar doing something fishy... hmm I find that moderately suspicious!". Meanwhile, WBG says "palmar is scum bitch" 45 minutes after Palmar says that. I don't feel like WBG enacted a pre-mediated smear campaign on Palmar; he legitimately thought Palmar was scum based off meta and weak posting from Palmar, who had enough time to exonerate himself. Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? ..............................................I read through BC's filter, but not as extensively as I did on WBG. BC's filter is almost compltely clutterd with mason talk. The question is, when did he decide that Palmar was the correct lynch choice? He only mentions Palmar directly ONCE in this post. A pretty good post, but why didn't he specify that Palmar was his lynch choice earlier. I might've missed it, if I did then excuse me, but BC hardly talked about who he was planning to lynch, save for this, I think. Whether this was because he didn't think he would win election, or some other reason, it still stands that he isn't being fully transparent. BC, why did you decide Palmar was the right choice? BM/BC being the elected pair? I think BM is town. I don't really understand BM's reputation, he was banned, but is he still considered a strong player? Regardless, I like it. BC I don't know. Who would you look into lynching next and why? Macpo, Chaosquo, Ciry. Will go indepth into them later; partly inspired by Foolishness and Palmar. Double Lynch tomorrow? I would say absolutely not, but depending on the situation of the thread it might be tenable... I need to research large games / impact of multiple lynches. Cyber_Cheese, can you link me a game where you were town? I glanced through some of your previous games but they were all scum LOL. Sleeping, laterz | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5252 Posts
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EchelonTee
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 15 2012 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote: @GiygaS I listen to you bro. Remember that game where you and Palmar fucked me up as mafia? His play was spectacular that game...he really convinced me he was a townie when I was calling for his HEAD D2. You played the fallguy to a T, not outting him at all. I was thoroughly impressed, and I'm not the only one. Palmar doesn't do shit like that anymore. When you left, Palmar's play took a SHARP turn for the worse, and he's lucky to live past D2 these days. I thought he was scum all game too...especially when he still vouched for me for office. I guess my point is, I think you're barking up the wrong tree where WBG is concerned. Here's how you handle that guy. @WBG Would you link to the most recent game where you were town and Palmar was scum? @Cyber_Cheese Would you point to a post with content that Palmar made during D1 that wasn't within 30 minutes of the lynch please? Failing that, could you stfu about WBG's meta-only case on Palmar? The last game where I was town and Palmar scum was XLV, that was actually the only game I've been town when Palmar was scum. It was also like my third game (and by far my worst) However, I caught him being scum in Responsibility when I was scum based on one thing he said. He said he agreed with what prplhz said about BC (which town Palmar would never do...he just doesn't agree with people he thinks are dumb) and I changed our team's shot last minute off Palmar. As for Palmar's post content, even that singular post he made came after I pressured him to hell. Palmar's play just wasn't satisfactory for me. Can't change that now, but perhaps I should've spent my time on other people. Anyway, as soon as I can I will make a short summary of why I find both opz and Protact to be scummy. For now, I'll be sleeping. | ||
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hiro protagonist
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gonna be reading thou the thread. I just got back from my B day and Im a little drunk 0_0 so forgive me if I dont have anything to say till day 2, as I might not be awake yet  | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
-glurio’s filter is linked to D3’s. -Jackals filter is linked to glurio’s. Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? - Im disappointed that Palmar was yet again made a focus of discussion on day 1, but he was right, there was almost 10 people doing far less then him (incoming modkills), yet he gets flack for it, based solely on his name (meta). - As far as the WBG situation, I can see it going either way, right now he’s null to me but I cant fault him for wanting more out of Palmar, I did too. Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? -Nope, should have followed his read and hung protactinium. Not that I think Prot is scum, I don’t, otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for him, but if BC is going to be swayed by the loudest voice in the mob, he may as well have just stepped down and let someone else win. I wanted someone who was confident in his reads, not making compromises with his suspicious mason buddy. BM/BC being the elected pair? -Well, I didn’t vote for either of them. Right now I like Bill Murray a whole lot more then I like BC. He’s posting, maintaining a good thread presence, contributing in the discussion. BC’s rash Palmar lynch, which seemingly came out of the blue, has me concerned that it went to the wrong place. Who would you look into lynching next and why? -Right now, I think VE is doing a good job of causing chaos and being a general distraction. I wouldn’t be adverse to him dying, regardless of his retardo jack claim. Palmar thought Ciryandor was scum, and now that we know it was coming from town Palmar, I give it weight. -I want to see what information our modkills bring, plus the nightkills. I am hoping maybe one or two scum get flipped in the modkills or vig fire, then I can start looking for associations. -I’m surprised Erandorr didn’t come under fire for his meta of refusing to play scum, and posting nil this game. I’ll be watching his replacement like a hawk. Double Lynch tomorrow? -Im all for a double lynch tomorrow. Less people shitting up this thread is good because I’m spending 3 hours catching up on this thread after I wake up, then a further couple of hours reading filters (/whine). On a more useful note, increasing our KP is a good idea. I find Jacks and Vigs far less reliable and am much more in favour of democratic scum killing then “I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOURE SAYING, ILL BLOW YOUR FACE OFF CHEESE” kind of ‘scum’ killing. On another note: -I asked GGQ a question, never got an answer. I can only assume he’s read it. His last post said “I’ve only read up to page 57”, and my question was on page 50. Id have really preferred the answer before Palmar was lynched. He’s ended up on Foolishes watch list, and his last post is defending someone on Foolishes scum list, so Ill be keeping an eye on this one for sure. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On January 15 2012 19:34 EchelonTee wrote: Cyber_Cheese, can you link me a game where you were town? I glanced through some of your previous games but they were all scum LOL. My first game: Cosmic Horror Filter I replaced in, and lurked hardcore: My Little Pony Mafia Filter Replaced in, never really caught up with the thread, but it's probably the most appropriate: XLVII Filter On January 15 2012 19:40 EchelonTee wrote: @CC, care to explain why you feel wiggles/kita are good lynch choices? Well, It's more that I feel the 'worst' candidates should be carefully scrutinized. Someone who announced their candidacy, and then appears to have more or less disappeared half-way through day 1 is inherently scummy to me. A townie shouldn't be losing interest in the elections, especially when they were so up in the air for so long. I'm not sure which people fit that best at the moment, with things like if Risk.Nuke was just replying because I included him in the list of candidates or not. I will go through them in more detail at some point later on in the night. | ||
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