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On January 15 2012 01:50 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:31 Jayjay54 wrote:
Actually, the only one I really want to lynch right now is BC. read my filter. I stated a lot of solid arguements to say why. Read my filter for more information. So please don't say I have rather weak arguements when I in fact made some solid points on BC.
I kinda liked your posting until this part. Way too defensive. I stated the majority of the argumentation in the THREAD was weak and you took it as a personal attack. Odd.
Oh, then it was a misunderstanding. You got me quoted and your start of the post was directed at me. Then you continue to post about your lynches which also was an answer to my "whats your campaign part". I was assuming you were still directed at me and thus talking about MY arguements.
On January 15 2012 01:55 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:59 L wrote:
The capitalization of Your and You makes me feel like a king. Keep it up.
BC is currently sitting in the lead with 5 votes. Both of Foolishness' puppets, if you will, Mattchew and Bill Murray are sitting at 3 apiece. Proactinium also has 3. Basically there are 4 people who are 'out front' with a total of 14 votes down between them.
Thread tone indicates that at least one or more of them is mafia. We'd have a better shot of keeping our elected office clean by throwing the offices to random people (20% chance vs. 25%+ chance), and that's not a good thing. THIS for the love of God, THIS I need to catch up, but that's why I stopped voting BC, and am not voting for a mason for mayor it is statistically worse
yeah statistically, we have to use our reads to see who's town and who's not. duh.
what is your plan for voting now? role a dice 50? 
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On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter.
I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so.
But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy.
So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan.
b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad.
All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality.
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On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree
shouldn't have answered, my bad.
On January 15 2012 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken and fail at reading comprehension, BC has promised to out his mason partner "shortly" and has failed to do so in almost 24 hours...which is a long-ass time in a 48 hour day, not "shortly".
Anyone voting for BC needs to stop doing that. His alignment needs to be confirmed. Making him mayor is the worst choice town can make right now.
Also, someone has masoned me and I need to know what everyone thinks we should do about it. It feels like a mafia mason, but I'm inexperienced and don't want to make that call myself.
I'm still reading, just putting this stuff out there.
This right here. BC fails to deliver his mason. and still leads in the votes.
You guys here, unvote! At least until he's shown his hand by announcing who he masoned. Then, you can def choose to vote him again:
+ Show Spoiler +
zeks
GGQ
risk.nuke <3
Lanaia
Meapak_Ziphh
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oh and I'm in favor of letting the Pming continue for a while, he may choose to post the log if he has gathered more information.
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On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list.
sup?
first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons.
Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me.
If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player.
But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me.
The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe.
I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off.
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On January 15 2012 03:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:24 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town? Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person. Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game? Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew:
I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 06:10 flamewheel wrote:Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): - Posting screenshots of your inbox.
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I gotta agree here. This is cheating 
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On January 15 2012 03:35 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter. I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so. But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy. So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan. b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad. All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality. What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT? He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you. I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him.
I most certainly accused you. "He's def a candidate though" is what you call defending? Maybe you weren't as good of a lawyer.
And saying I'm scum is pretty much tunneling. And just because I think your posts are bad? Of course, you think they're good, but there may be differen opinions.
Finally, please format your posts a little better.
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On January 15 2012 03:46 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:39 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 03:35 risk.nuke wrote:On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter. I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so. But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy. So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan. b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad. All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality. What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT? He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you. I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad. On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him. I most certainly accused you. "He's def a candidate though" is what you call defending? Maybe you weren't as good of a lawyer. And saying I'm scum is pretty much tunneling. And just because I think your posts are bad? Of course, you think they're good, but there may be differen opinions. Finally, please format your posts a little better. The formating of that post is fine, another attempts to make me look bad on irrelevant matters and it is a scummove because townies need to be unbiased and openminded, that is why tunneling is bad to begin with. Jay you are scum, you know it, I know it. But for you to help me convince my fellow town of this please let's discuss what matters. You may begin with pointing out which of my posts were bad.
oh boy. This is my last response to you. Our little feud is getting town nowhere.
Here you go with bad posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=76576&user=76576
Campaign, generic horrible structured, lack of game plan.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=29#573
Condescending one liner, no content to discuss. random spam
oh and most recently:
On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter.
Didn't even read a single line. I say you are def a lynch candidate and you respond that I scummishly softdefending? If you quote a single line, please read it properly. It's funny that I'm not even on BCs scum list, even though I made a lot of points against him. That's because I put a lot of effort into a lot of posts which try to help town.
other than that formating does actually matter. Because a good post is well structured and not a single wall of text. I'm not trying to make you look bad, your posts do by itself. You fail to add content, you don't read posts properly and your posting style is not good either.
so there's that, if you answer, be warned, I won't answer, because I'm done with you, not in a OMGUS way, but a do whatever you want way. BC I'll answer you later on, have to think about it.
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Oh and that I've been promoting Mattchew a lot, should stand by itself. Not exactly a good scum move.
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ok whatever here I go.
Look at this little post made by yours truely (there are more in my filter):
On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew [/b]
It's Mattchew as you now know.
Ask yourself. Is that a scum post? Is it? Really? REALLY? Didn't think so.
So, if you are scared of ending up with a scum mayor. Vote Jayjay for mayor. That's right. I put myself out there. Not because I am experienced. But I got good reads, am active (probably one of the most active ones), look beautiful and I am not really a scum as I've shown!
Just giving my town friends another option.
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On January 15 2012 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jayjay you're pushing yourself on the premise of "I've got good reads because I...correctly called out a townie"
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You know that scum know when someone's townie, right? Why don't you correctly call out someone as scum and THEN talk about how good your reads are. Seriously...
I did not say that because of my Mattchew read. That's not the point. I got confidence in my logic and in my game.
The real point is, that I am TOWN. And I think I did give proof for that.
People were already saying how bad it is to have a 25% chance of getting a scum mayor and that randomly giving it to somebody would be better because it's 20% then. Well guess what, I am 100% homegrown town and therefore a safe option.
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On January 15 2012 04:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:11 Jayjay54 wrote:ok whatever here I go. Look at this little post made by yours truely (there are more in my filter): On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew It's Mattchew as you now know. Ask yourself. Is that a scum post? Is it? Really? REALLY? Didn't think so. So, if you are scared of ending up with a scum mayor. Vote Jayjay for mayor. That's right. I put myself out there. Not because I am experienced. But I got good reads, am active (probably one of the most active ones), look beautiful and I am not really a scum as I've shown! Just giving my town friends another option. Mattchew seemed to be easy to control for the brief time he was here. I could theoretically have seen voting for him as scum agenda. Not only that, you're attempting to take town cred from the flip, and use it as the sole basis to start an entirely new wagon? [/b]
Yes I do take town cred for that! If I would've been scum, why would I push so hardly for a town mayor? To gamble that I can control him? Why not push for a scum mayor? To gamble that the one I push for gets modkilled?
You look at the post and you seriously have doubt that I am town? You ask yourself, if my posts make sense as scum and answer with yes? Ok I guess I have to live with that. I hope most people see it as what it is. Post that show that I am town.
I don't want to start a new wagon (is there even one right now, I just see people randomly voting). I'm just saying, if the risk is really high to get a scum mayor, it might be better to get a townie.
Even if I don't get mayor, I think it's good for townies to know how incredebly towny I am.
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On January 15 2012 04:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:16 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jayjay you're pushing yourself on the premise of "I've got good reads because I...correctly called out a townie"
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You know that scum know when someone's townie, right? Why don't you correctly call out someone as scum and THEN talk about how good your reads are. Seriously... I did not say that because of my Mattchew read. That's not the point. I got confidence in my logic and in my game. The real point is, that I am TOWN. And I think I did give proof for that. People were already saying how bad it is to have a 25% chance of getting a scum mayor and that randomly giving it to somebody would be better because it's 20% then. Well guess what, I am 100% homegrown town and therefore a safe option. here's the point: 1) I don't like talking about that math bullshit. That's all talk about "what would happen if we make a true rnd vote". That's not going to happen. Never ever. Fine with me mentioning but I don't think we need it right now 2) I think you're town but I don't want you to be mayor because I don't thnk you're up to it. I don't go for mayor myself although I said mattchew is a townie and ended up being right because that call was easy as it can get. 3) I'll say it once more: I think you're townie, but you running for mayor is not going to help town right now. Not at all.
That's a fine opinion. I am pretty sure that I won't get mayor. Still, I think I would be a decent one. And I am 100% better than a scum mayor. I tell you that
I already stated, I want to be "another option", before town ends up with scum. So if there's doubt that scum is riding a bandwagon or total confusion, I might be the way to go.
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On January 15 2012 04:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:
and re. I'll be voting BM right now. d1 (like RL-d1) I thought it's the most horrible thing possible but he gives me townvibes.
There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us.
I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know.
wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2.
Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else.
Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo.
Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p
Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed. I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something. I'd like to hear from Foolishness now. What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray? actually yeah. I have no idea what you're up to at this point in time. I'm going to quote from my sheet: 7. Cyber_Cheese
I haven o idea
no idea at all I tried several times to get something about you going but I never was able to put something into words. You're like THE nullread I have in this game and I don't know why I have so much trouble to figure you out. Want to to me a faver and tell me real fast who you want to lynch and who's the best mayor in your opinion (other than yourself) ? I don't really want to read your filter again right now Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough. Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it. To clarify the lynch. I want the scummiest person who ran for mayor. I'm just not sure who that is at the moment. Sandroba seems like a decent option. so that's sandroba for lynch, VE for lynch or risk nuke for lynch and BC for mayor? Or was sandroba another viable option for mayor for you?
I actually like the lynch the mayor candidate plan. But I really think that scum would bet on their best horse. So if there's one scum mayor candidate, it would be a well established player IMO. That leaves us with?
BC? Sandro?
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wait what? our best role has just been claimed? really?
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On January 15 2012 04:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:where does it say jacks can day shoot?
Jack
You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may use two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away.
well it doesn't say, that they can't. just "during the game"
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On January 15 2012 05:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 05:00 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 04:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
One of, Jayjay. One of. where does it say jacks can day shoot? Jack You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may use two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. well it doesn't say, that they can't. just "during the game" true, but wouldn't the jack be limited to the vig restraints? which only let them shoot during the night?
hmm. the power says "shoot" and it's applicable two times per game. so I guess not. VE you asked beforehand didn't you?
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and this daykill is based on you first supporting VE and then calling him a lynch candidate?
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