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On January 24 2012 02:54 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
jitsu asked?
BM, i want all your pm traffic.
censor the bg names please. We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact. Not sure what to make of the recent BM post. He's lied several times this game, and it's stuff that could potentially hurt town, I feel. I'm not sure if this is his last gambit to not get lynched, but he's reasoning behind the MH claim *kinda* makes sense. My only thing is that a lot of what i'm reading is "Bill being Bill." I hate this meta talk, even though it's a huge part of TL Mafia, and since I don't know Bill's meta at all, I don't know what to think. I would say we should delay his lynching, but than, lies upon lies upon lies will unravel and it seems they are starting to do that now. So undecided, it's not funny. I would still like to see glurio dead. I've been pretty vocal about it and won't cease, either.
If an individual that was capable of only typing X suddenly started typing Y you would notice. It goes beyond meta. It's Bill Murray. I spent 3 pages fighting with his smurf in a game until he was mod killed. He was town in that game but his play was the same as it is here in this game. Lies and deceit. It's Bill Murray. Whether he's town or scum doesn't matter. This is how he plays. I don't profess to understand it I simply recognize it. Anybody that claims they can determine his alignment by his actions is lying. All I know is he has the same 20% chance of being scum as the rest of you did at the beginning of the game. However he will be the topic of 90% of the discussion while he's in the game.As such his alignment no longer matters.
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On January 24 2012 03:07 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:54 Jitsu wrote:On January 23 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
jitsu asked?
BM, i want all your pm traffic.
censor the bg names please. We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact. Not sure what to make of the recent BM post. He's lied several times this game, and it's stuff that could potentially hurt town, I feel. I'm not sure if this is his last gambit to not get lynched, but he's reasoning behind the MH claim *kinda* makes sense. My only thing is that a lot of what i'm reading is "Bill being Bill." I hate this meta talk, even though it's a huge part of TL Mafia, and since I don't know Bill's meta at all, I don't know what to think. I would say we should delay his lynching, but than, lies upon lies upon lies will unravel and it seems they are starting to do that now. So undecided, it's not funny. I would still like to see glurio dead. I've been pretty vocal about it and won't cease, either. If an individual that was capable of only typing X suddenly started typing Y you would notice. It goes beyond meta. It's Bill Murray. I spent 3 pages fighting with his smurf in a game until he was mod killed. He was town in that game but his play was the same as it is here in this game. Lies and deceit. It's Bill Murray. Whether he's town or scum doesn't matter. This is how he plays. I don't profess to understand it I simply recognize it. Anybody that claims they can determine his alignment by his actions is lying. All I know is he has the same 20% chance of being scum as the rest of you did at the beginning of the game. However he will be the topic of 90% of the discussion while he's in the game.As such his alignment no longer matters.
Perhaps I can direct you to hiro protagonist, someone who's content to let us just lose ourselves in all this BM talk? You know, rather than out his other reports and give us some "concrete" information to work with?
VOTE HIRO PROTAGONIST FOR D4 LYNCH
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I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks.
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“We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact.“
actually i am really not over this. I think if you flip red, BC and BM are confirmed town for me.
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Beeteedubz...in this setup, it feels like our information roles have been replaced by Masons. This is another reason I'm so certain about Hiro - because there's likely to be only ONE DT if any.
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On January 24 2012 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Beeteedubz...in this setup, it feels like our information roles have been replaced by Masons. This is another reason I'm so certain about Hiro - because there's likely to be only ONE DT if any.
this is the paranoia talking.
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On January 24 2012 03:22 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Beeteedubz...in this setup, it feels like our information roles have been replaced by Masons. This is another reason I'm so certain about Hiro - because there's likely to be only ONE DT if any. this is the paranoia talking.
Except I'm not paranoid. I'm cool as a cucumber - which is doing nothing to get hiro lynched, but meh. It's all I can muster at this point.
Hiro is quite obviously fake-claiming DT. OBVIOUSLY bro. There's no town-oriented motivation to do that - especially since his vote is on BM today.
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On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks.
I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it!
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On January 24 2012 03:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:22 supersoft wrote:On January 24 2012 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Beeteedubz...in this setup, it feels like our information roles have been replaced by Masons. This is another reason I'm so certain about Hiro - because there's likely to be only ONE DT if any. this is the paranoia talking. Hiro is quite obviously fake-claiming DT. OBVIOUSLY bro. There's no town-oriented motivation to do that - especially since his vote is on BM today.
I probably shouldn't start this discussion, but it's pretty slow right now, so why the hell not.
how is he obviously fake claiming?
because he didn't provide the second name? scum could have provided it, too. because he didn't say sandro's role? scum could have said it, too. Do you have other indicators?
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VE, one townie is useful concrete information? He only has the one other report...
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On January 24 2012 03:25 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks. I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it!
Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better.
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On January 24 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:25 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks. I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it! Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better.
lol risk. You're fucking useless this game. + you even dont find scum when you're active.
Overestimation!!!!!
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On January 24 2012 03:20 supersoft wrote:
“We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact.“
actually i am really not over this. I think if you flip red, BC and BM are confirmed town for me.
Cool. What's your reasoning behind it?
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On January 24 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:25 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks. I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it! Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better.
hmm. I feel like the DL will be easily influencable by scum and it will be hard to see, because so many players have so many different reads.
So imo the DL will end up split at best and a green lynch isn't all that much information, if scum spreads votes well which will be fairly easy considering we have like 7 candidates.
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On January 24 2012 03:33 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:On January 24 2012 03:25 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks. I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it! Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better. lol risk. You're fucking useless this game. + you even dont find scum when you're active. Overestimation!!!!!
lol, I won't be called useless by one of the few people who has actually been more useless then me. Secondly I do find scum. Altough your accusation seems heart-true. Are you not feeling useless in this game because you are infact red?
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On January 24 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:25 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks. I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it! Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better.
You can't just read a filter dude. You gotta approach it with context in mind. I mean look at sheth's post against me he did, he straight up ignored everything that was going on in the thread.
On January 24 2012 03:07 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:54 Jitsu wrote:On January 23 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
jitsu asked?
BM, i want all your pm traffic.
censor the bg names please. We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact. Not sure what to make of the recent BM post. He's lied several times this game, and it's stuff that could potentially hurt town, I feel. I'm not sure if this is his last gambit to not get lynched, but he's reasoning behind the MH claim *kinda* makes sense. My only thing is that a lot of what i'm reading is "Bill being Bill." I hate this meta talk, even though it's a huge part of TL Mafia, and since I don't know Bill's meta at all, I don't know what to think. I would say we should delay his lynching, but than, lies upon lies upon lies will unravel and it seems they are starting to do that now. So undecided, it's not funny. I would still like to see glurio dead. I've been pretty vocal about it and won't cease, either. If an individual that was capable of only typing X suddenly started typing Y you would notice. It goes beyond meta. It's Bill Murray. I spent 3 pages fighting with his smurf in a game until he was mod killed. He was town in that game but his play was the same as it is here in this game. Lies and deceit. It's Bill Murray. Whether he's town or scum doesn't matter. This is how he plays. I don't profess to understand it I simply recognize it. Anybody that claims they can determine his alignment by his actions is lying. All I know is he has the same 20% chance of being scum as the rest of you did at the beginning of the game. However he will be the topic of 90% of the discussion while he's in the game.As such his alignment no longer matters.
Seem's like this describes Bill almost exactly like I did. -__-
I think BM just sold me on BM though
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On January 23 2012 23:06 Bill Murray wrote:
[center]The Setup: Notice how Foolishness trolled by running me for office?
Yup. He also lied, by implying you were actually readable. Either that or he's scum.
On January 23 2012 23:06 Bill Murray wrote:
There was this guy, you see, names Foolishness. That's where this game starts. He was a good man, bold, and didn't want to wait for his role. He knew that role would be town, in all likelihood. What better to help the town, but to save a great lategame scumhunter?
I am indeed that. A scumhunter. Anyways, back to Foolishness, he was confirmed town to me from day one, and not because of deductive reasoning. It was because he was too mafia to be mafia. Elect Bill Murray? Foolishness!
I have a better theory. Foolishness is scum, and he knows you'll be an easy mislynch target and will grossly misuse your powers, so he gets you elected in hope of causing chaos in future.
Paranoid rambling? Yeah. I've lost the plot.
Meanwhile BrownBear shows up for the first time in four days and posts... a defence of Bill. This game has jumped the goddamn shark.
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Since Bill Murray went loco and "outed"the names he pm'd to me i will ask this to BloodyCobbler one last time.
Bill Murray "outs" Brownbear as a BG. This is also one of the same names Bill Murray gave to me and Jitsu.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2012 01:22 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:On January 23 2012 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have substituted both bodyguards, and killed BC
Is BC dead? No. Because I can't kill anyone. Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to. yeah, but i could if i sent in the kills like this: brownbear kitaman BC donzo
Before, BloodyCobbler assures that Bill Murray gave false names which directs the heat away.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2012 23:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 23:40 jaj22 wrote:
Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba.
based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them
But here you list him as lynchtarget.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2012 04:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:
oh also I'd like to hear some names from you BC. Just shout out who you want to lynch BC right now. preferable after the night-/day switch as well. currently based on reading via filter. BM, WBG, and Meapak in that order of preference. After that insert Glurio, Evantrees, Munk-e, opz, kenpachi, brownbear. As there are 6 mafia left, some of those are obviously at this point not correct, but they all seem intelligent choices based on the play of each one of the.
Does not compute. Is Bill Murray really a pathological liar and can i just straight out ignore him for now on and for all of eternity?
Or did you infact list one of the bodyguards on your own lynch-list?
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Hiro is starting to be pretty beast at town guys - check him out if you're bored JayJay...his play is really starting to stand out.
His play since the reveal of his "role" has not been indicative of "good play". It's been indicative of hiding something: of playing for the other team. Like, take for example his reluctance to answer the question I was asking over and over until he finally answered me. He kept ignoring my request for his reasoning until he HAD to, and he pointed me to a post that says "I forgot"....while simultaneously pointing a finger of suspicion at me for "not reading the thread". Like, really? Honestly?
Add to that his obviously anti-town play - such as holding back his other report. He claims he wants to "breadcrumb" his other report. Why?! Why would he do that as town? He's an outted DT...by all rights he should be dead now, having not released his other reports. He should have outted his other reports IMMEDIATELY, giving the faction he's supposed to win with as much information as possible before he dies.
I understand resistance to lynching a claimed DT...but look at the other factors in play here - a ton of masons, little to no roleblocks...it doesn't all add up guys. Hiro is fucking scum.
Vote Hiro Protagonist for D4 lynch.
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On January 24 2012 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro is starting to be pretty beast at town guys - check him out if you're bored JayJay...his play is really starting to stand out.
His play since the reveal of his "role" has not been indicative of "good play". It's been indicative of hiding something: of playing for the other team. Like, take for example his reluctance to answer the question I was asking over and over until he finally answered me. He kept ignoring my request for his reasoning until he HAD to, and he pointed me to a post that says "I forgot"....while simultaneously pointing a finger of suspicion at me for "not reading the thread". Like, really? Honestly?
Add to that his obviously anti-town play - such as holding back his other report. He claims he wants to "breadcrumb" his other report. Why?! Why would he do that as town? He's an outted DT...by all rights he should be dead now, having not released his other reports. He should have outted his other reports IMMEDIATELY, giving the faction he's supposed to win with as much information as possible before he dies.
I understand resistance to lynching a claimed DT...but look at the other factors in play here - a ton of masons, little to no roleblocks...it doesn't all add up guys. Hiro is fucking scum.
Vote Hiro Protagonist for D4 lynch.
yea I checked him out.
but I feel like you jump to conclusions. if he was indeed scump why wouldn't he provide a name (maybe kita or so)? his play doesn't really make sense from a scum point of view either. If he claimed DT as scum, he'd use that to get a lot of towncred, which he currently doesn't really seems to care about.
so maybe there's another solution, maybe he masons, maybe he got a role back.
Right now, I have no reason to believe he is playing a bad scum dt play. it is more likely he plays a blue dt with something we don't know yet...
Finally, I oppose setup based lynches. "But...but...we were supposed to only have one dt". that's bullshit.
Please think about, if his play makes sense from a scum point of view...I feel like it doesn't. The "something which doesnt add up" is more likely a valueable information he doesn't want to give to the mafia yet...
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