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Okay, something is going on here. Either Trotske and Hiro really are Rivals, and Hiro is trying to get Trotske killed by lying about it, Trotske is scum and is trying to get Hiro lynched with this rival accusation, or both are scum. They are both sticking to their stories, so it doesn´t look like Trotskes PM was a trick. Town don´t lie, but Rival Town has other priorities, they need to kill a player and stay alive, both are anti-Town goals, as they divert from scumhunting. Being rivals doesn´t make them Scum, but if they really are scum pretending to be Rivals, being known as Rivals is a good way to hide scummy behavior. I don´t like it, so I´m putting on the pressure.
##Vote: Trotske
Quoted posts: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From Trotske:
I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also. On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote:
Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
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On August 19 2011 07:18 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote:
Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying. Are you a rival? This is a golden post.
Trotske, check your role PM, does it say Hiro is your Rival?
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On August 19 2011 08:04 Forumite wrote:Okay, something is going on here. Either Trotske and Hiro really are Rivals, and Hiro is trying to get Trotske killed by lying about it, Trotske is scum and is trying to get Hiro lynched with this rival accusation, or both are scum. They are both sticking to their stories, so it doesn´t look like Trotskes PM was a trick. Town don´t lie, but Rival Town has other priorities, they need to kill a player and stay alive, both are anti-Town goals, as they divert from scumhunting. Being rivals doesn´t make them Scum, but if they really are scum pretending to be Rivals, being known as Rivals is a good way to hide scummy behavior. I don´t like it, so I´m putting on the pressure. ##Vote: TrotskeQuoted posts: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From Trotske:
I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also. On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote:
Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
Just curious did you read the last page?
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On August 19 2011 07:41 Curu wrote:
Something concrete besides the speculation. I do indeed think Jackal is hiding something since the PMs he showed were not enough at all to tell someone Jackal is scum upon his death.
This would be completely confirmed if DropBear told someone else too other than Nisani though.
No idea. I have another set of PMs from him I missed. They were on page 2 of my inbox.
+ Show Spoiler +To: DropBear [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS
Date: 8/15/11 05:34
His point on voting is misplaced. May be a scum agenda. "If you don't bandwagon you're scum"
Original Message From DropBear:
Lol I'll keep that in mind.
I feel much more confident in reading him than most of the other players in this game, I got a roleblock on him Day 2 in PTP2 which got him lynched.
I do not feel the same about many of the others, about half are unfamiliar to me.
What do you think about Varpuli's opening?
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Original Message From Jackal58:
Yes. We play Mafia at UG. A guitar forum. We have known each other for quite some time. If he does not call me scum at some point during day 1 he is scum. He always calls me scum day 1 unless he is.
Original Message From DropBear:
That post about gmarshal was wierd. He isn't exactly following his own advice either.
You two are friends from outside the forum yes?
Original Message From Jackal58:
Chaos13 has his scum meta cranked up early.
Original Message From DropBear:
Lolk. I am quite open so feel free to ask me questions and you will generally get an answer.
Original Message From Jackal58:
Cool.
No I have no rival. It's bad enough I have to tunnel Kurumi in personality mafia and I was stuck as a scummy Harry Potter in PTP2 and had to get Voldemort killed. Nope no rivals in this game. No posting restrictions. No mandated actions. Just me as me.
The mechanics in this game are a bit different so I'll be observing more at the beginning than I usually do and I'm damn near invisible on day 1 to begin with any ways. But feel free to PM all you want. I always have opinions I'm just not always willing to share them with everybody.
Oh and if you're scum go die.
Original Message From DropBear:
You have won the prize of my first ever pm in a pm game. I have two questions.
Were you serious about not having a rival or is ON actually your rival?
Would you think it is pro-town for rivals to claim?
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Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this:
Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
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Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite.
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On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite.
What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
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On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote:
Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this:
Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
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On August 19 2011 08:38 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote:
Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this:
Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz! What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
-_-
thats right, Trotske knows who his rival is, and its me. BUT I AM NOT HIS RIVAL BACK.
I agree that the wording in the OP is weird, which is why I PMed GMan about it. So I will ask in the thread so we can all see, and stop talking about it.
Can you be a rival with someone, and they wont be your rival back?
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On August 19 2011 08:38 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote:
Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this:
Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz! What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
This is to easy.
GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described?
Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods.
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On August 19 2011 08:36 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
I'm saying the pms you showed does not make me think dropbear gave you information to make him think that if he died you were scummy, but obviously he did, otherwise he would not have said as such, which means you are hiding something, which means you are acting scummy. but to be honest I'm not giving any of Nisani's check worth too for those same reasons all in all my opinion at least one of the three of you are scum, if not multiple of them (that and there are 2 DT types and each only detects a certain kind of scum. so I don't find the detectors too useful in this game).
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On August 19 2011 09:28 DroneAllDay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:36 Jackal58 wrote:On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa. I'm saying the pms you showed does not make me think dropbear gave you information to make him think that if he died you were scummy, but obviously he did, otherwise he would not have said as such, which means you are hiding something, which means you are acting scummy. but to be honest I'm not giving any of Nisani's check worth too for those same reasons all in all my opinion at least one of the three of you are scum, if not multiple of them (that and there are 2 DT types and each only detects a certain kind of scum. so I don't find the detectors too useful in this game).
Of corse he didn't PM somebody and call them scum. See how long the conversation lasts.
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On August 19 2011 08:48 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:38 Forumite wrote:On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote:
Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this:
Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz! What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is. This is to easy. GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described?Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods.
Rivals are not necessarily reciprocal, for example, Qatol could be my rival, but I might not be Qatol's rival
Also, about 14 hours left in the day.
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On August 19 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 09:28 DroneAllDay wrote:On August 19 2011 08:36 Jackal58 wrote:On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa. I'm saying the pms you showed does not make me think dropbear gave you information to make him think that if he died you were scummy, but obviously he did, otherwise he would not have said as such, which means you are hiding something, which means you are acting scummy. but to be honest I'm not giving any of Nisani's check worth too for those same reasons all in all my opinion at least one of the three of you are scum, if not multiple of them (that and there are 2 DT types and each only detects a certain kind of scum. so I don't find the detectors too useful in this game). Of corse he didn't PM somebody and call them scum. See how long the conversation lasts.
What I said was that there was a pm with information that would make dropbear think that if he died, you were probably scum, not that you had a scum slip or something, and we don't see that information in any of your pms with him, and seeing how dropbear is/was rational, that leads me to believe that there are more pms to read.
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with that said, I'm more confidant that Forumite is mafia so i'm voting for him due to the fact that the others i belive to be scum voted for greymist, that those who voted for him are dead (even if 1 of those was done by a vigilante hit, the other is still a scum hit) and his hight post count but a fair amount of them are just hello, good night, and other such no-content posts that feigns lurking.
##vote: Forumite
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I'm also going to vote Forumite due to the fact that alot of his posts are just pure info with little analasis. and some of his reason's are very poor for who he goes after. and he's the scummiest person we have a chance to lynch.
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I'm really not convinced about Forumite alot of his posts just look like confused townie
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On August 19 2011 10:34 Sevryn wrote:
I'm really not convinced about Forumite alot of his posts just look like confused townie
Who do you think is a better lynch.
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On August 19 2011 09:55 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:48 Jackal58 wrote:On August 19 2011 08:38 Forumite wrote:On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote:
Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this:
Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz! What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is. This is to easy. GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described?Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods. Rivals are not necessarily reciprocal, for example, Qatol could be my rival, but I might not be Qatol's rival
Also, about 14 hours left in the day.
That clears it up. Trotske wants to kill Hiro, and none of them are lying.
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